Think before you buy !

[Gahars]

"But X is good! I loved X as a child!"

No shit you did, children love just about anything you plop in front of them. Children like just about anything you plop in front of them. Just because you thought it was good as a child doesn't mean it actually was; you can't justify a console by nostalgia alone.

I mean, if we judged other mediums by the same logic, Big Bad Beetleborgs would be held as a gold standard of television and the Pokemon movie would be lauded as the pinnacle of animation.

 

[Black-Ice]

children love just about anything you plop in front of them.

But... following this logic....
I was never a child

Or maybe i've always been a picky, fussy, narcissist ass

 

[the_randomizer]

So many of the posts I've read thus far indicate "10 good games don't justify the purchase of an expensive console at launch" Oh, you mean like like the PS Vita?

 

[FAST6191]

All the care in the world, didn't save my launch Ps3. I barely even got a chance to use it, before it ylod on me. Its main use at the time was playing blu-rays. Now my refurbished Ps3 is a different story its still going strong but it barely gets used. And I don't use it for a player anymore lesson learned.

Random failure can happen. Also what makes you think it was using it as a media player that saw its untimely demise?

 

[Gahars]

So many of the posts I've read thus far indicate "10 good games don't justify the purchase of an expensive console at launch" Oh, you mean like like the PS Vita?

Yeah, pretty much.

 

[Thomas83Lin]

Random failure can happen. Also what makes you think it was using it as a media player that saw its untimely demise?

I didn't I just figure I'll only get so much use out of it, and I don't want to waste that on playing movies. Just my thinking on it

 

[Black-Ice]

So many of the posts I've read thus far indicate "10 good games don't justify the purchase of an expensive console at launch" Oh, you mean like like the PS Vita?

N64 has so much better games than the Vita.
Lol i just implied Vita has games. I'm hilarious

 

[FAST6191]

I didn't I just figure I'll only get so much use out of it, and I don't want to waste that on playing movies. Just my thinking on it

My bad, I misread something into it. I should mention though that creep, the main failure method in BGA and so all the YLOD, RROD, Wii BSOD, HP laptops and basically everything in modern electronics that is not a cracked screen, bad capacitor or dodgy switch, still happens at room temperature. It might not be quite as bad as the 70 or so degrees things typically run at but not great.

 

[Foxi4]

All the care in the world, didn't save my launch Ps3. I barely even got a chance to use it, before it ylod on me. Its main use at the time was playing blu-rays. Now my refurbished Ps3 is a different story its still going strong but it barely gets used. And I don't use it for a player anymore lesson learned.

Like I said, launch models had issues but they were fixed rather quickly, all things considered.

 

[trumpet-205]

Several launch Wiis also have the problem of overheating WiFi module (if WIiConnect24 is on and you turn the system off the fan stops spinning). Overheated WiFi module will eventually damage the GPU, causing pixel corruption.

Early adopters just have to accept that there may be problem with launch model and that they are paying more. Every decision you make has consequence, you just have to weigh it and decide.

 

[snikerz]

I only buy Microsoft consoles at launch, at least I know that I can trust them.

 

[matthi321]

i have always waited to buy a console until the next console is annouced, that way i get can chosse betwen all the games instead of just a few. and the price of games will be very low,or if its been hacked i can get the games for free

 

[Psionic Roshambo]

Blinding nostalgia - the truth is that the system has 10-20 universally good games and that's it - the rest is incredibly debatable. The titles you mentioned are the titles everybody mentions and do you know why? Because the system has nothing else to offer. For every LoZ: OoT there's a Superman 64, for every Mario Kart 64 there's a Carmageddon 64. It has no gaemz, deal with it.

This could be said of almost any system, 10-20 really kick ass games and the rest fall somewhere outside of that kick ass category.

As a fantastic example for every SOTN on the PS1 there is a Barbie's Horse Adventures and so on and so forth.


Sort of a side note here, it is worth noting that a few of the N64 games are constantly mentioned as being in the top 10 games of all time according to many different sources.

http://www.filibustercartoons.com/games.htm

I am happy that I picked up an N64 at launch and while it wasn't over flowing with great games, it had some of the greatest games of all time on it. All a system really needs is a few gems to make it worth while to me, expecting more than that is a sure fire recipe for disappointment.

 

[FAST6191]

This could be said of almost any system, 10-20 really kick ass games and the rest fall somewhere outside of that kick ass category.

As a fantastic example for every SOTN on the PS1 there is a Barbie's Horse Adventures and so on and so forth.


Sort of a side note here, it is worth noting that a few of the N64 games are constantly mentioned as being in the top 10 games of all time according to many different sources.

http://www.filibustercartoons.com/games.htm

I am happy that I picked up an N64 at launch and while it wasn't over flowing with great games, it had some of the greatest games of all time on it. All a system really needs is a few gems to make it worth while to me, expecting more than that is a sure fire recipe for disappointment.

Heh a meta/collation type site I can bother to continue reading, that is almost wonders never cease level.

I am mainly seeing a lot of Ocarina of Time, Mario 64 and Goldeneye. Indeed wipe those three from the list and watch there be basically nothing else for a long time.

Now Goldeneye when there is perfect dark is a list dismissing omission. Never mind that the PC was doing somewhat better at the time.

I am always wary of those that claim Ocarina of Time is the best game ever (similar policies in effect for Final Fantasy 7 and Chrono Trigger), they occasionally have good things to say but percentage wise it could be better. Majora's mask was always the better of the N64 ones for me though I am mainly about the handheld Zeldas and that played somewhat like one. I will give that it has some serious staying power as far as the lists go where some are very clearly products of their time.

On mario 64. I always thought it a tech demo done right but I am not sure what made it so highly regarded, doubly so when you have all the stuff from Rare on the same platform. Of course I like Mario Sunshine the most of any mario I have played.

Now each of those games has a place in gaming history but I am not sure I would really return to them, especially not in their original form (love me some Perfect Dark and Banjo XBLA), and I am not sure they would form a big part of any "this is gaming" list I might give to someone looking to get an overview of it all*. I do have to note that I am half inclined to dismiss the first steps into actual 3d graphics on the consoles (I love me some isometric as much as anybody but I am talking PS1 and N64 here, save perhaps Resident evil but that was prerendered) and pick it up some time around a third of the way into the gamecube era. Whether this is much the same as when I skip over most of the unforgivably *ist/*phobic cinema, books and TV is probably the stuff of another thread.

On the "10-20 for each" thing though that is an interesting position, I am going to have to crunch some numbers one of these days.

*said list is most likely to be basically most of the early arcade stuff of note, a roguelike and a few examples of whatever the new hotness is before saying now mix dashes of each and you have every new game ever.

 

[Psionic Roshambo]

Heh a meta/collation type site I can bother to continue reading, that is almost wonders never cease level.

I am mainly seeing a lot of Ocarina of Time, Mario 64 and Goldeneye. Indeed wipe those three from the list and watch there be basically nothing else for a long time.

Now Goldeneye when there is perfect dark is a list dismissing omission. Never mind that the PC was doing somewhat better at the time.

I am always wary of those that claim Ocarina of Time is the best game ever (similar policies in effect for Final Fantasy 7 and Chrono Trigger), they occasionally have good things to say but percentage wise it could be better. Majora's mask was always the better of the N64 ones for me though I am mainly about the handheld Zeldas and that played somewhat like one. I will give that it has some serious staying power as far as the lists go where some are very clearly products of their time.

On mario 64. I always thought it a tech demo done right but I am not sure what made it so highly regarded, doubly so when you have all the stuff from Rare on the same platform. Of course I like Mario Sunshine the most of any mario I have played.

Now each of those games has a place in gaming history but I am not sure I would really return to them, especially not in their original form (love me some Perfect Dark and Banjo XBLA), and I am not sure they would form a big part of any "this is gaming" list I might give to someone looking to get an overview of it all*. I do have to note that I am half inclined to dismiss the first steps into actual 3d graphics on the consoles (I love me some isometric as much as anybody but I am talking PS1 and N64 here, save perhaps Resident evil but that was prerendered) and pick it up some time around a third of the way into the gamecube era. Whether this is much the same as when I skip over most of the unforgivably *ist/*phobic cinema, books and TV is probably the stuff of another thread.

On the "10-20 for each" thing though that is an interesting position, I am going to have to crunch some numbers one of these days.

*said list is most likely to be basically most of the early arcade stuff of note, a roguelike and a few examples of whatever the new hotness is before saying now mix dashes of each and you have every new game ever.

There are exceptions to the rule of course, the NES probably had more than 20 kick ass games by virtue of its being a near monopoly. I also think the SNES and Genesis libraries featured a good amount of whip ass games. I chalk those two up to the near 50 50 split in the market they had, each company trying every trick in the book to out do the other. Could be a fantastic example of what a healthy competition does for the market?

I think after that point in time making a AAA quality game became a lot harder took a lot longer to make. so fewer companies had the resources or talent to make that many games.

I guess if things keep going the way they are, we will get few quality games per console each generation?

Edit: I also think that every console has it's gems that make it worth owning. Well maybe not the Hyperscan.... lol

 

[Ethevion]

Foxi4 10 good games is more than enough for me to buy a console. Heck, I have a 3DS XL and had a 3DS but I only have 4 games for it. I'm more than happy with that purchase. There's other games I'll probably buy, but I don't have time to play them so they'll be on hold for a long time.
It isn't blinding nostalgia that makes me say those are some of the best games ever. Currently I don't have an N64, but my buddy still has his and he has Pokemon Snap, Smash Bros, and LoZ MM, and we play them and we enjoy them.
I admit the controller wasn't the greatest, but for most games it worked well. It wasn't very often where you needed to hold all 3 of the handles.

Tom Bombadildo I never said it was a success, I was replying to the "no games" comment.

 

[Deleted member 158512]

I just bought a PS3 and am still waiting for the gaems

 

[Foxi4]

"But X is good! I loved X as a child!"

No shit you did, children love just about anything you plop in front of them. Children like just about anything you plop in front of them. Just because you thought it was good as a child doesn't mean it actually was; you can't justify a console by nostalgia alone.

Exactly my point when it comes to the N64 - it had design flaws, it used the obsolete cartridge system, it had a terrible controller but it had Mario, Pokemon, Banjo and Conker so it's considered good. It's not good - it's a very meh system - sorry lads.

I just bought a PS3 and am still waiting for the gaems

Not sure if trolling or cannot use Google.

This system has such a wide selection that it's not even funny.

 

[grossaffe]

Exactly my point when it comes to the N64 - it had design flaws, it used the obsolete cartridge system, it had a terrible controller but it had Mario, Pokemon, Banjo and Conker so it's considered good. It's not good - it's a very meh system - sorry lads.

Huh? Are you saying that the games on a console aren't what dictates how good it was?

 

[Foxi4]

Huh? Are you saying that the games on a console aren't what dictates how good it was?

It's a matter of value. When buying a gaming system, you expect a constant flow of games - you expect selection. With the N64, you had a selection of 10 best-sellers, 10 good games and 280 meh/bad ones - good luck playing that for 4-6 years before the next generation rolls in.