Gaming How SONY can "save" The PS VITA

[Psionic Roshambo]

Not really magic, what the Vita needs is a constant flow of high profile games and a price drop never hurt anything.

Maybe down the road things will pick up.

 

[Terenigma]

If Vita used normal SD cards, i would of bought one by now.

^ That? Oh thats not my opinion. Thats the opinion of everyone who was ever on the fence about buying one.

 

[TwilightWarrior]

If Vita used normal SD cards, i would of bought one by now.

^ That? Oh thats not my opinion. Thats the opinion of everyone who was ever on the fence about buying one.

That would be awesome, I would actually be able to keep more than 3 of my ps plus games on my memory card I wonder if someone is ever gonna figure out how to make a micro sd adapter for the vita but I'm guessing that would be way to complicated

 

[TemplarGR]

Vita is not saveable...

It seems big corporations never learn from past mistakes. PSP had the same problems. High price, few games(mostly cut down console ports), no good exclusives etc. The difference with the Vita is that the PSP didn't face the threat of high powered phones/tablets. PSP was able, albeit slowly, to carve market share and get some quality games. PS Vita won't get this chance, because for most people there is no reason to pay so much money for a dedicated handheld with expensive average games, when they can just get a better phone with access to cheap average games...

3DS is different. It has good exclusives, and a nice gaming library. It is also cheaper. It is a great alternative for playing Nintendo games to the Wii/Wii U. It will still be selling for a long time...

Nintendo seems to know a thing or two about the hardware they make. They create hardware that will have a reasonable cost to develop for. HD graphics/ sound/ FMV etc, cost money to make, you know... It is difficult for a software house to make the commitment when the installed base is so small... It is difficult even if the installed base is large... PS Vita games need a hefty budget, while 3DS games can make with less and are less of a gamble. It is of no coincidence that 3DS gets games but Vita doesn't.

The other console players, MS and Sony, since they lack the first party appeal to sell consoles, they invest money. They sell powerhouses at really low prices in order to gain marketshare. That is good for the consumer, but console hardware without software is garbage. And both struggle to be profitable because of this policy. If they weren't really big corps, with the money to throw at this, Nintendo would be at the same level hardware-wise...

Vita's great specs won't save it. There is absolutely no reason to own one. For the cost of it + mandatory memory card, you can get a quite powerfull phone or 7in tablet. And you can't argue that the Vita has better/real games, because you know it is not true...

 

[Psionic Roshambo]

That would be awesome, I would actually be able to keep more than 3 of my ps plus games on my memory card I wonder if someone is ever gonna figure out how to make a micro sd adapter for the vita but I'm guessing that would be way to complicated

The problem with making some sort of SD to Vita memory card adapter is that you would need to crack Sony's DRM on the memory card and in doing so you will run smack into the DMCA and Sony would use legal means to swat the product right off the market. Then they would probably release some sort of firmware update blocking that adapter and making them useless

Sony charges a high premium for the cards to help offset the loss of money on selling the hardware...

 

[SoupaFace]

I don't know if Sony could drop the price of the (Wifi) console itself below the $250 price point unless they have reason to believe they will bring in considerably more cash where at this point they likely dont think the Vita is getting any quality titles that would justify the price drop; as $250 is still a generous price considering the PS Vita's hardware.

However I don't see any reason why the memory cards aren't at the most $10 above their microSD counterpart but Sony must have their reasons. Probably having something to do with the cost of producing them but I wouldn't know.

I bought a Vita for it's emulation potential mainly and the improved media player (not to mention the Vita's YouTube app has two major advantages over the iOS YouTube app) so I don't remain disappointed in my Vita but then again I don't think this thread has anything to do with whether I was satisfied with it I just thought I'd put that out regardless. Touch my Katamari FTW!

 

[LegendAssassinF]

Interesting. Let's see:

Apples and oranges. Some people like portable consoles, others like home consoles, even others like both. Completely different products for completely different audiences.

Except the PS4 isn't a handheld which you seemed to have been implying all along. The upcoming PS4 in no way hampers the PSVita's chances because it's not in the same sector of the industry.

What good would total support give you if the PSVita isn't compatible with the PSEye or other necessary accessories for certain games? You wouldn't be able to play them so why support them, for bragging rights or just to receive complaints that they're not working? Explain.

The games that are playable on the PSVita's control scheme will be playable on it, that's what matters. As for mapping L2/R2/L3/R3 - left side of the touchpad/right side of the touchpad/left side of the touch screen/right side of the touch screen - done.

Except you don't always have that option, do you? Sometimes you just want to stay in bed and play your favourite games without going downstairs and Remote Play gives you that option - what's not to like?

I haven't seen any Cross-Buy games that cost anywhere near $80, they're practically the same price a normal game would be.

Show me. Burden of proof and whatnot.

So in other words, the tiny itsy bitsy UK bought as much as nearly a half of total CoD MW3 US sales? You're proving yourself wrong here. On the side note, there's also the rest of Europe to consider outside of the UK, y'know.

Japan does. Europe not so much. You said only Americans play FPS games, which you yourself just disproved.

You've just said that Call of Duty MW3 sold 9.5 million in the U.S.A, 4 million in the UK and 140 thousand in Japan which equals 13.65 million copies in the countries we're talking about while Monster Hunter Freedom 3 (which I think you got wrong since Monster Hunter Portable 3rd was never officially localized, there's only Freedom 1, 2 and Unite but I'll roll with this for the sake of making a point) sold 440 thousand in the US. 420 thousand in the UK and 4 million in Japan, totalling at 4,86 million copies. According to your logic, you're the one who's bad at maths - Sony should be clinging to Call of Duty like clingfoil and totally ignore Monster Hunter. ;O;

I never said there are different people I only said that most people in the world only own one or the other and from a typical person standpoint paying 300$ for a handheld versus 400$ for the newest console is a sure easy pick if you only have a tight budget and cannot own both and a library of games to go along with it. The PS4 easily makes the average gamer pick it over the Vita which is the problem Sony will run into since they do compete for the same reason (aka entertainment).

Have you ever actually played Remote Play on the Vita it feels like this take your hands and grab the nearest DS/3DS (or if you own a Vita) and notice where your fingers are normally. If you notice your fingers are normally holding the back portion with your middle/ring fingers, (index fingers I'm guessing are on the triggers) this is exactly where the touch screen is on the Vita. It gets very tiring holding it in a position where you need to actually use it all the time for a button layout on the back of the handheld. Going by E3 "the Vita will just support the PS4 remote play" so that means (either they will just say we will use the settings on the Vita to handle that which comes in 3 types of ways: top left L2 bottom left L3 and R2 and R3 the same way, using Select and pressing L for L2 and left side touchscreen L3 and R the same way, and the other way is just swapped hold select + trigger for L3 and touchscreen L2) if they do use the touchscreen with the Vita just handling it without any thought for L2/3 and R2/3 your fingers will either be really annoyed with you or not working the way you want because it will casually want to hold it in a more comfortable position. Games that need L3/R3 all the time for aiming this becomes a serious problem since your fingers will need to be everywhere they normally aren't. This wouldn't of been a problem if the Vita actually supported Controllers but it doesn't.

Let's name a few games that are exactly the same game yet don't feature cross buy: Mortal Kombat, MvC3U, Street Fighter x Tekken, and Disgaea 3... and MK, MvC3U and SFxT all use the same servers to play online. Disgaea 3 is the only one with the added benefit of having all the DLC on it as well. So for those you needed to decide on the console you already own or buy it on the handheld you likely don't own and aren't going to buy because the game comes on your home console and doesn't support Cross Buy.

US, Europe, and Japan is most of the world because the rest of the sales if you need to know are equal to Japan for MW3 at around 500,000. I meant Europe sold that much not just the UK for MW3. I'm not saying they should just drop it but letting Nintendo get away with a prime game that easily helped sell the PSP in Japan which makes up around 1/2 of the US population and Europe being a little under triple the US population. 4 million for 700 Million people for Europe versus 9 million for 300 million for the US is a big difference. I did get that wrong about MHF3 it was only released in Japan but still sold over 4 million copies.

Selling almost 5 million copies of a game that never got localize to me seems like it did pretty well when you consider CoDMW3 sold only sold a little under triple that. So Monster Hunter Freedom 3 could of sold around half the sales of CoD MW3 if it did get released worldwide. To let that go even if they didn't plan on releasing it worldwide is still a big number of purchases considering most games made never even see 1 million sold in one of those countries.

You really need to go out find a hacked PS3 and play Remote Play on the Vita (not the PSP since it doesn't have the internet speed for it) and see how awful it is you will see from my point of view even if they did "just support it" how bad it actually would be. You might think that those configurations are good but not until your fingers are actually forced to switch between weapons or try to get a headshot you will see how hard it is and really not worth playing. Some games work great but games that need L2/3 and R2/3 all the time are not playable (aka Catherine was a great game that just used D-Pad and Square worked perfectly) but other games like Infamous, God of War, Uncharted, even fighting games your fingers will slip into a position that is more comfortable and will get in the way of enjoying the game also you cannot just turn those settings off you need to have one of them on to work.

 

[codezer0]

If your local game store sells PSVita's for $399, I think they may be trying to scam you.

$300 for the 3G Vita (plus the required AT&T data contract and all those lovely overages ) + $100 for a memory card? Hell yea, it's too much money.

Does the fact that it's a handheld game make it any worse than a home console game? That, and $50 seems a bit much, all of the PSVita games I own were about $30, not to mention that I get most of my games from PSPlus.

Considering a handheld game almost never gets the same level of detail and scope as a home console game, Yes it does. Game Freak's complete unwillingness to make a fully fledged console Pokemon game again should be enough to tell you how epically lazy they are.

I never spend more than $20 for an individual movie; just the same, I have a hard and fast rule of no more than $30 for a handheld game. The one and only time I've made an exception was for the excellent Elite Beat Agents on the DS. Most games simply do not warrant spending $50, especially on handheld platforms.

...buy online?

That's even worse, as that's where most of the collusion and scalper markups happen, because they can get away with it. How else do you explain or get away with charging $200 for a broadband adapter for the Dreamcast?! And that peripheral only cost $30 when it was new.

Tastes in video games are subjective.

About the one thing in your post we can both agree on.

 

[BlackWizzard17]

I'd prefer the psp over the psvita. The vita dosnt look like it has any games that would want me to get it and if a game that would be awesome we're to come out it would most likely come out for a console. They should do a price cut because there memory cards are way to expensive and there games aren't really good either.

 

[Deleted_171835]

The optimism for the Vita's situation in contrast with all the pessimism for the Wii U's is rather amusing considering they're both in the same boat sales-wise.

 

[codezer0]

The optimism for the Vita's situation in contrast with all the pessimism for the Wii U's is rather amusing considering they're both in the same boat sales-wise.

Probably because most people had higher expectations for the WiiU than they did for the Vita. I know I did.

There are higher expectations for the home consoles than there are for the handhelds... simple as that.

 

[macmanhigh]

There ain't no "Saving" the PS Vita.....it was Dead on Arrival it seems 0_O

 

[CompassNorth]

There ain't no "Saving" the PS Vita.....it was Dead on Arrival it seems 0_O

No...No it wasn't.


Anywho Sony needs to focus on the Vita. Sony main focus is the PS4, they only cared about the vita for a brief while. Vita had a great launch, but Sony doesn't want to put any effort in it which sucks because Vita has potential.

If Sony has been talking about the vita it's them saying "The Vita and the PS4 will perform amazing together" which doesn't really say anything at all.

 

[calmwaters]

We need more free roam games and first person shooters? WTF? This kid is a turd; I like games that have an incredibly understandable story while still allowing flexible play within the story. And exclusives are not good ideas: why should someone have to pay $400 for a console just to play one game? They already have a game system that they'd like to get as many games as possible for. I don't want to own 3 consoles just to play one exclusive on each of them.

 

[TwilightWarrior]

We need more free roam games and first person shooters? WTF? This kid is a turd; I like games that have an incredibly understandable story while still allowing flexible play within the story. And exclusives are not good ideas: why should someone have to pay $400 for a console just to play one game? They already have a game system that they'd like to get as many games as possible for. I don't want to own 3 consoles just to play one exclusive on each of them.

Well the vita isnt $400, and who said only thing about ONE exclusive, BTW kingdom hearts fans usually end up buying consoles just to play kingdom hearts (like me )

 

[codezer0]

Well the vita isnt $400, and who said only thing about ONE exclusive, BTW kingdom hearts fans usually end up buying consoles just to play kingdom hearts (like me )

A 3G Vita is still $300 new. Factor in the requisite memory card ($100 for a 32GB) and PS Plus if you don't already have a subscription (another $50/yr); you're already paying more for the Vita than you would for a PS3 with way more space and functionality.

And for me, the only retail game for Vita I am aware of and would want to play is its iteration of Katamari. Everything else I could already play on another console (Sony, Microsoft... heck, even PC).

It was a similar story for me with the PSP; really, about the only thing that was initially a killer app for me to finally go get a PSP was the fact that there was a lot of excellent homebrew... which the Vita still lacks. And this was before how Sony recently decided to give me the screwjob.

 

[Ericthegreat]

Hey guys, I just came across this video:



And, I believe this guy's pretty right, but I gotta say, it's not doing too bad right now compared to the wii u


WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK?

All they gotta do is "accidentally" allow any code to be run (even custom) like the original psp firmware.

 

[TwilightWarrior]

A 3G Vita is still $300 new. Factor in the requisite memory card ($100 for a 32GB) and PS Plus if you don't already have a subscription (another $50/yr); you're already paying more for the Vita than you would for a PS3 with way more space and functionality.

And for me, the only retail game for Vita I am aware of and would want to play is its iteration of Katamari. Everything else I could already play on another console (Sony, Microsoft... heck, even PC).

It was a similar story for me with the PSP; really, about the only thing that was initially a killer app for me to finally go get a PSP was the fact that there was a lot of excellent homebrew... which the Vita still lacks. And this was before how Sony recently decided to give me the screwjob.

First of all, most people don't even buy the 3G version because let's be honest who needs 3G on their vita if they have it on their phone, and you can get the black ops bundle for $250, comes with a vita (wifi), black ops, AND A 4GB memory card. Now about ps plus, most people already have it on their ps3 so they wouldn't have to buy that and including ps plus in the cost of the vita is like including the price of plus in a ps3 and ps4, therefore the ps4 is $450. And if people don't have ps plus on their ps3 their probbly not just gonna get it for vita.

And, Their are way more retail games for the vita that are amazing other then katamari, have you forgotten about gravity rush (only for the vita), UC: Golden abyss (sure UC is on ps3 but golden abyss isn't), Soul sacrifice (amazing), Persona 4, dragons crown, dokuro, ps allstars, etc.

 

[Prior22]

Didn't watch the video but releasing a redesigned Vita without the OLED screen and touchpad would allow for a sizable price cut. Crossplay is overrated in terms of mainstream appeal, so getting rid of the touchpad really wouldn't hurt Vita that much. Somehow I don't see that many people rushing out to buy two copies of the same game.

I'd love to see some PS2 upgraded ports as well. The SSX games, in particular, would be great to get re-releases of. Racing games, imo, don't suffer too much in the small screen translation. Granted ports of ten year old games won't cause floods of new people to suddenly buy a Vita. But atleast you'll give current owners a bit more content to choose from.

 

[pasc]

Wii U... the Scapegoat for everything...

Still I like it.