When is pirating ok? (discussion)

[dickfour]

I'm playing a pirated, hacked Pier Solar Rom right now. Because I'm not going to buy a console like the Genesis that's perfectly emulated on a million different platforms. Piracy saves space.

 

[Just Another Gamer]

So would you say video games are a vital need, or an inalienable human right?

Neither. No one is forced to pirate, they choose to due to their own personal circumstances and even if its not games but movies instead this conversation would still occur.

 

[Just Another Gamer]

Who here called piracy "pure evil"? My last post said yours was embarrassing to read. It's embarrassing because you exaggerate. A lot. Companies do lie. About a lot. But you do realize that playing games, regardless of whether you pay for them, legitimizes what they do, right? If the games weren't worth it you wouldn't bother pirating them. I pirated just like everyone else here when I joined. I never had any delusions about being Robin Hood or liberating gamers everywhere. I just thought, "why pay for that which you could have for free?" Well, then I grew up and out of that childish entitlement. It's an addiction. You should be going to meetings... I've got my 3 year coin.

Exagerrate what? the utter truth to how piracy is really affecting the gaming industry. Really, a few years ago big rich companies said that piracy was killing the music industry and is the music industry dead or is music still being made?

There is a big difference between making games an having the compulsive need to over charge people because they think all gamers are sheep and will just rush out and buy whatever crap they made not to mention the retailers joining in and adding extra to the already high cost. Its funny that you think I sit behind my computer all day downloading games when I have other things like school, homework and also my job I that have to go to, so if anyone has a problem its you who thinks they're entitled to shove shit into people's faces because they don't pirate anymore. Go pirate some games and get off that high horse you love to sit on.

 

[retKHAAAN]

Exagerrate what? the utter truth to how piracy is really affecting the gaming industry. Really, a few years ago big rich companies said that piracy was killing the music industry and is the music industry dead or is music still being made?

There is a big difference between making games an having the compulsive need to over charge people because they think all gamers are sheep and will just rush out and buy whatever crap they made not to mention the retailers joining in and adding extra to the already high cost. Its funny that you think I sit behind my computer all day downloading games when I have other things like school, homework and also my job I that have to go to, so if anyone has a problem its you who thinks they're entitled to shove shit into people's faces because they don't pirate anymore. Go pirate some games and get off that high horse you love to sit on.

Sorry guy. I don't have time for video games. I have a family to raise and a 55hour a week job. GBAtemp just happens to be good way to help a dump pass through.

And you exaggerate the positions of the people you argue against, along with the "evil video game conglomerates"

 

[Romsstar]

If games are a luxury product, then certainly music and movies are as well? Since people pirate all three of those.

And I never realized this discussion was only about games.

So bottom line, if we are living in a world where music, movies and games are considered luxury products, then something is going really wrong with this world...

 

[retKHAAAN]

If games are a luxury product, then certainly music and movies are as well? Since people pirate all three of those.

And I never realized this discussion was only about games.

So bottom line, if we are living in a world where music, movies and games are considered luxury products, then something is going really wrong with this world...

lux·u·ry (lgzh-r, lksh-)
n. pl. lux·u·ries
1. Something inessential but conducive to pleasure and comfort.
2. Something expensive or hard to obtain.
3. Sumptuous living or surroundings: lives in luxury.
adj.
Providing luxury: a luxury car.
[Middle English luxurie, lust, from Old French, from Latin luxuria, excess, luxury, from luxus.]
Synonyms: luxury, extravagance, frill
These nouns denote something desirable that is not a necessity: the real luxury of riding in a limousine; a simple wedding without any extravagances; caviar and other culinary frills.
Antonym: necessity


Luxury is not limited to billionaires.

 

[Shinigami357]

I'm surprised it reached 23 pages without being locked .__.

Why did you have to jinx the thread, whyyyy??? There, now it's doomed for sure.

 

[Romsstar]

lux·u·ry (lgzh-r, lksh-)
n. pl. lux·u·ries
1. Something inessential but conducive to pleasure and comfort.
2. Something expensive or hard to obtain.
3. Sumptuous living or surroundings: lives in luxury.
adj.
Providing luxury: a luxury car.
[Middle English luxurie, lust, from Old French, from Latin luxuria, excess, luxury, from luxus.]
Synonyms: luxury, extravagance, frill
These nouns denote something desirable that is not a necessity: the real luxury of riding in a limousine; a simple wedding without any extravagances; caviar and other culinary frills.
Antonym: necessity


Luxury is not limited to billionaires.

By this definition, anything but breathing, drinking, sleeping and eating is considered a luxury product. If you agree with this, then I have nothing to add anymore.

 

[Shinigami357]

Technically, the line between essential and luxury - or wants and needs, if you want to be blunt - is a thin, nigh-imaginary line. The degree that culture, individual differences and the evolution of the human psyche affects this is very complex.

For example, a Tibetan monk in a rainforest in the middle of godforsaken nowhere needs only oxygen, food, a place of shelter [he is in a forest, after all] and perhaps a change of clothes. A person in a metropolis requires all those, plus entertainment, transport, a way to conduct human contact [monks can go long times without this due to meditation... or so they say] etc etc etc.

Also, musically-inclined people will need music, literature-oriented people require some form of written media [fictional or non-fictional], etc etc.

I fail to see why you guys are debating luxury/necessity based solely on a very limited set of factors. It's bound to get you nowhere since it is highly subjective.

 

[Romsstar]

Technically, the line between essential and luxury - or wants and needs, if you want to be blunt - is a thin, nigh-imaginary line. The degree that culture, individual differences and the evolution of the human psyche affects this is very complex.

For example, a Tibetan monk in a rainforest in the middle of godforsaken nowhere needs only oxygen, food, a place of shelter [he is in a forest, after all] and perhaps a change of clothes. A person in a metropolis requires all those, plus entertainment, transport, a way to conduct human contact [monks can go long times without this due to meditation... or so they say] etc etc etc.

Also, musically-inclined people will need music, literature-oriented people require some form of written media [fictional or non-fictional], etc etc.

I fail to see why you guys are debating luxury/necessity based solely on a very limited set of factors. It's bound to get you nowhere since it is highly subjective.

Good then we have established: Depending on your background, the society and culture you grew up in, and on your interests, music and literature can be an essential need. Subjective.
This holds just as true for games and movies then.

Thus: Making an essential need for a person a luxury item is the cause of piracy.
Thus 2: If an essential need (which is something very subjective as we established) is made a luxury item and the only way of getting it, is copying (not stealing) it, then piracy is something
that the big companies CREATED.

But of course someone will contradict me there again.

 

[retKHAAAN]

Good then we have established: Depending on your background, the society and culture you grew up in, and on your interests, music and literature can be an essential need. Subjective.
This holds just as true for games and movies then.

Thus: Making an essential need for a person a luxury item is the cause of piracy.
Thus 2: If an essential need (which is something very subjective as we established) is made a luxury item and the only way of getting it, is copying (not stealing) it, then piracy is something
that the big companies CREATED.

But of course someone will contradict me there again.

Failing to see the correlation between video games and "an essential need"...

 

[Just Another Gamer]

Sorry guy. I don't have time for video games. I have a family to raise and a 55hour a week job. GBAtemp just happens to be good way to help a dump pass through.

And you exaggerate the positions of the people you argue against, along with the "evil video game conglomerates"

Show me where I said "evil video game conglomerates" cause I sure know what I wrote and it certainly wasn't that.

Then pirate some movies or music or both cause I do that as well if you plan on criticizing me for not giving the rich my money.

 

[Just Another Gamer]

Failing to see the correlation between video games and "an essential need"...

Wow Just wow. Ignorance just took a huge step forward.

 

[Rydian]

Technically, the line between essential and luxury - or wants and needs, if you want to be blunt - is a thin, nigh-imaginary line. The degree that culture, individual differences and the evolution of the human psyche affects this is very complex.

For example, a Tibetan monk in a rainforest in the middle of godforsaken nowhere needs only oxygen, food, a place of shelter [he is in a forest, after all] and perhaps a change of clothes. A person in a metropolis requires all those, plus entertainment, transport, a way to conduct human contact [monks can go long times without this due to meditation... or so they say] etc etc etc.

Also, musically-inclined people will need music, literature-oriented people require some form of written media [fictional or non-fictional], etc etc.

I fail to see why you guys are debating luxury/necessity based solely on a very limited set of factors. It's bound to get you nowhere since it is highly subjective.

No dude, the line is very thick and clear.

Need: Without it you will DIE. CEASE TO LIVE. YOUR BODILY FUNCTIONS WILL CEASE.
Want: All the other stuff.

Good then we have established: Depending on your background, the society and culture you grew up in, and on your interests, music and literature can be an essential need. Subjective.

No, you will not LITERALLY DIE without music and literature.

Why don't you guys pick up a science book for once in your life?

 

[JoostinOnline]

Wow Just wow. Ignorance just took a huge step forward.

How so? Video games are not an essential need. Food, water, and sleep are essential needs.

 

[Just Another Gamer]

No dude, the line is very thick and clear.

Need: Without it you will DIE. CEASE TO LIVE. YOUR BODILY FUNCTIONS WILL CEASE.
Want: All the other stuff.

So everything thing else apart from eating, drinking, breathing, sleeping and going to the toilet is optional? If thats all we're meant to do with out lives then its pretty worthless and suicide seems more fun.

How so? Video games are not an essential need. Food, water, and sleep are essential needs.

Neither is friends or socializing and yet they're emphasized as essentials.

 

[JoostinOnline]

So everything thing else apart from eating, drinking, breathing, sleeping and going to the toilet is optional? If thats all we're meant to do with out lives then its pretty worthless and suicide seems more fun.

Of course they are optional. Besides, there are plenty of forms of entertainment that don't cost money. You know, people did exist before video games.

 

[retKHAAAN]

So everything thing else apart from eating, drinking, breathing, sleeping and going to the toilet is optional? If thats all we're meant to do with out lives then its pretty worthless and suicide seems more fun.

Please do.

 

[Just Another Gamer]

Of course they are optional. Besides, there are plenty of forms of entertainment that don't cost money. You know, people did exist before video games.

And you think that changes the argument in any way?

Please do.

I rather push you off before jumping.

 

[Rydian]

So everything thing else apart from eating, drinking, breathing, sleeping and going to the toilet is optional? If thats all we're meant to do with out lives then its pretty worthless and suicide seems more fun.

There you all go again, making random connections that don't exist.
Who said anything about what we're meant to do with our lives?

The concern is what we need to survive. Those are needs.

Anything else is not a human need.