Neimod has full kernel control from an unmodified 3DS

[jowan]

At first I wanted the 3DS to be hacked, but now that I think about it it would be good for the console to remain unhacked for at least 3 more years so it doesn't lose developers support

 

[d.d.d.]

Just gonna echo...
All I really want is region-free for the system. Licensing between JP, US, n PAL is just ridiculous and we should have the freedom to game (one of the things about the PS3 I really like).
If it means opening up the system to piracy, I can wait a few years for this, especially if it means that it will be easier to do once it's been perfected.

 

[karyuudo]

Piracy didn't kill the DS and it won't kill the 3DS.

 

[gamefan5]

Just gonna echo...
All I really want is region-free for the system. Licensing between JP, US, n PAL is just ridiculous and we should have the freedom to game (one of the things about the PS3 I really like).
If it means opening up the system to piracy, I can wait a few years for this, especially if it means that it will be easier to do once it's been perfected.

Eur. (As in Europe)
PAL is short for Phase Alternative Line. It is a color encoding system for televisions broadcasting at 576i, IIRC. It's not used (or shouldn't be used) to define a region of a game or console in any way.

EDIT: @Foxi4, you can thank me now. XD

 

[ATMB]

I'm pissing myself like a puppy dog, like about 90% of everyone who read this thread

 

[Valwin]

hopefully if something happens with this towards only homebrew and no piracy

 

[Guild McCommunist]

Hacked or not I really don't think the 3DS will lose much developer support. If piracy deterred developers then we wouldn't have games on a lot of consoles. Fact is that a vast majority of 3DS users won't pirate.

I know Renegade Kid said they wouldn't if piracy was deemed that bad but I don't think you'll see many big ones dropping support.

Also depends on how it's hacked/how piracy is supported. If it requires buying external hardware (like the DS) then that'll turn some people off as opposed to a simple hack with the tools you have at home (like the PSP).

I probably won't be hacking any of my consoles, especially in a day and age where technology and updates are so necessary to electronics. That goes for my Vita, my phone, my future 3DS (yes I give it a lot of shit but I'll buy it eventually, it's just not a priority), and so on.

 

[the_randomizer]

Eur. (As in Europe)
PAL is short for Phase Alternative Line. It is a color encoding system for televisions broadcasting at 576i, IIRC. It's not used (or shouldn't be used) to define a region of a game or console in any way.

EDIT: @Foxi4, you can thank me now. XD

PAL is also typically 20% slower when to comes to framerates; 49.95 versus 59.95 fps.

 

[James194zt]

All I want is region free gaming! I am happy to buy the games I want but I am NOT buying a 2nd console to play them on. This is what p****s me off with Nintendo as there are a few Japanese games I would love to get my hands on (Project Mirai for example).

I import for my PS3 and PS Vita but Nintendo screwed us over royally with this region locking!

 

[Snailface]

Hacked or not I really don't think the 3DS will lose much developer support. If piracy deterred developers then we wouldn't have games on a lot of consoles. Fact is that a vast majority of 3DS users won't pirate.

I know Renegade Kid said they wouldn't if piracy was deemed that bad but I don't think you'll see many big ones dropping support.

Also depends on how it's hacked/how piracy is supported. If it requires buying external hardware (like the DS) then that'll turn some people off as opposed to a simple hack with the tools you have at home (like the PSP).

I probably won't be hacking any of my consoles, especially in a day and age where technology and updates are so necessary to electronics. That goes for my Vita, my phone, my future 3DS (yes I give it a lot of shit but I'll buy it eventually, it's just not a priority), and so on.

Right, probably because they understand the fallacy over panicking about piracy.

As I posted on Jool's blog, if he drops 3ds due to rampant piracy, what platform will he move Renegade Kid to?. All the other successful platforms have rampant piracy. His argument that a platform's viability is due to the absence of piracy is thus silly, as is his threat to ditch 3ds development because of it.

 

[chrisrlink]

I agree with the hacking, hopefully yellow8 will find a game less exploit as I have none of the hardware to upload a save onto a cart.

 

[Rizsparky]

Right, probably because they understand the fallacy over panicking about piracy.

As I posted on Jool's blog, if he drops 3ds due to rampant piracy, what platform will he move Renegade Kid to?. All the other successful platforms have rampant piracy. His argument that a platform's viability it due to the absence of piracy is thus silly, as is his threat to ditch 3ds because of it.

This, Mutant Mudds is on the AppStore for 0.99$ and iOS piracy is on the rise.... I really don't like R.K anymore, MM is extortionate on the eshop, I'd pirate it just because he's ripping 3DS owners off for the same damn game..

 

[PolloDiablo]

PAL is also typically 20% slower when to comes to framerates; 49.95 versus 59.95 fps.

Yeap, I remember I had a switch in my Mega Drive to change modes betwen PAL and NTSC. Everything was sooooo damn slow on PAL mode, but the colors looked more vibrant and nicer.

I believe that happens only on consoles. With handhels (like GB, GBC, GBA, DS) there is no difference at all in framerate, the video mode is the same regardless the region. Correct me if am wrong.

 

[gamefan5]

Yeap, I remember I had a switch in my Mega Drive to change modes betwen PAL and NTSC. Everything was sooooo damn slow on PAL mode, but the colors looked more vibrant and nicer.

I believe that happens only on consoles. With handhels (like GB, GBC, GBA, DS) there is no difference at all in framerate, the video mode is the same regardless the region. Correct me if am wrong.

The answer lies in the post I've made a bit above.

 

[PolloDiablo]

The answer lies in the post I've made a bit above.

yeap... and NTSC is short for Never Twice The Same Color

 

[Bitbyte]

The answer lies in the post I've made a bit above.

You are wrong, PAL (along with NTSC-U and NTSC-J) is definitely used to indicate the region of a game or console. Have you never bought a game for a console of the generations before this one? All of them use PAL/NTSC to indicate the region. Handhelds don't have to bother with PAL/NTSC since they all use the same screen, so there's no reason to have different video output. That's why the region of handheld games is indicated with EUR/USA/JPN etc. and why the region of console games is indicated with PAL, NTSC (scene releases mostly use USA to tag this). Consoles with HD output don't have to adhere to NTSC/PAL either (since it's HD output, which is the same worldwide) but the games' region is still indicated that way.

You are right in that he should've used EUR in that sentence though, since he was just talking about regions in general.

 

[Guild McCommunist]

This, Mutant Mudds is on the AppStore for 0.99$ and iOS piracy is on the rise.... I really don't like R.K anymore, MM is extortionate on the eshop, I'd pirate it just because he's ripping 3DS owners off for the same damn game..

You'd be hard stretched to find a game on the PSN, eShop, XBLA, etc that has a same priced or more expensive iOS counterpart.

I really don't see iOS piracy on the rise as an issue when people are still willing to pay $1 for a game and the install base is much much larger than the 3DS or any other handheld with comparable digital services.

 

[karyuudo]

I'm sure piracy is killing the PS Vita right now too.

I wish those fanboy's out there would realize the facts. Systems don't fail because of Piracy. There is always those out there who will be willing to buy the product. It's not like every PSP or DS owner out there has hacked their device or bought a hack card for it. There's lot of parents out there who aren't like us and just buy their little Jimmy their DS games cuz it's easy and they have the spare cash.

I've heard reports that DS piracy killed sales for Nintendo. Really? Show me the numbers. There aren't any. It's a known fact that Nintendo made plenty of cash off the DS and is still considered a success.

For those using the PSP cop out - piracy didn't kill that system. Lack of good development did. Let's put it this way, if you're going to put a portable system out there, you better have some damn good games for it. The PSP did have a few, but they were few and far between. Even in 2013 there's games scheduled to come on the system.

Then there's the Vita. Is there piracy on it? No. Did anyone buy this system? No. Why? Because no one cares about it. Sony themselves don't care about it. It's an overpriced $250 paperweight with no dev support because the devs know there's more money to be made elsewhere. Nintendo caught on very quickly with the 3DS that if you want to put it into households, you keep the price under $200. Sony being idiots are still with their thumbs up their asses thinking people will be suckered into this system.

What about the Wii? That system was hacked to kingdom come. Why was it a bomb? Not because of piracy, it's because Motion controls are still not there yet. Sure there was a bunch of good games for it (Pretty much all made by Nintendo) but when the devs can't even get a handle on the system, why do you think it was a shovelware system of continuous bad games. Not only that, but it didn't even have HD graphics or digital audio for that matter - which would have been the draw for hardcore gamers. The only people to profit off the Wii were Nintendo. Everyone else got screwed.

So if the 3DS does get hacked wide open, I would hardly worry about the piracy issue because at the end of the day, there's enough people out there buying games for it.

 

[Guild McCommunist]

I've heard reports that DS piracy killed sales for Nintendo. Really? Show me the numbers. There aren't any. It's a known fact that Nintendo made plenty of cash off the DS and is still considered a success.

I've actually never heard that, especially when the system sold like 150+ million units and some games with over 10+ million sales. Like I'm pretty sure it's factually a slam dunk wrapped in a grand slam.

 

[gamefan5]

You are wrong, PAL (along with NTSC-U and NTSC-J) is definitely used to indicate the region of a game or console. Have you never bought a game for a console of the generations before this one? All of them use PAL/NTSC to indicate the region. Handhelds don't have to bother with PAL/NTSC since they all use the same screen, so there's no reason to have different video output. That's why the region of handheld games is indicated with EUR/USA/JPN etc. and why the region of console games is indicated with PAL, NTSC (scene releases mostly use USA to tag this). Consoles with HD output don't have to adhere to NTSC/PAL either (since it's HD output, which is the same worldwide) but the games' region is still indicated that way.

You are right in that he should've used EUR in that sentence though, since he was just talking about regions in general.

*Sigh I knew something like this would happen.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NTSC
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PAL
The console's region is indicated the same as handheld, as in EUR, JAP, NA. NOT it's compatible video mode. You don't say it's a NTSC console and btw nowhere in my consoles say it's an NTSC console (considering it doesn't even make sense). You say it's an NTSC compatible console. However, gamers don't make this distinction and they say that these video formats are associated to video games when it is not. It's for TV's. NTSC and PAL are encoding systems used in selected regions. The reason it's used in video games is the fact that for example, a EUR and US wii have a different compatible video mode.