Why is the US terrorizing Venezuela?

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How come Venezuela is even in the picture right now?

  • They've got a lot of oil reserves

    Votes: 54 55.7%
  • To gain a foothold in the region (aka: fend off China)

    Votes: 3 3.1%
  • Distraction from the Epstein file contents, ballroom drama, ...

    Votes: 21 21.6%
  • Maduro's a socialist AND popular

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Concerns over drugs (aka: Make America Great Again actually means the continent)

    Votes: 10 10.3%
  • Other, namely...

    Votes: 9 9.3%

  • Total voters
    97
Something suspicious going on in my neighborhood. I can't tell if it's bad or not, but maybe I should just take some of these people's houses over until someone I trust can handle them, which may be never.


 
international law is impotent if it has no enforcement mechanism
Almost as impotent as a dying pedophile lashing out in desperation to distract from his failures and collapsing support at home. Nothing short of actually addressing the affordability crisis is gonna move that needle, and that's obviously not what billionaires put Trump in office to do.

I hope Venezuelans have a bright future ahead of them, Maduro out of the picture is a positive development in the right direction.
A lateral move at best with the Maduro administration still in power. Are the neocon chickenhawks prepared to send their sons to bleed and die in order to finish the job and fully enact regime change? I very much doubt it.
 
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All I keep seeing is Trump supporters trying to control the narrative by framing Maduro being taken into custody as an unquestionable moral good while treating the US as the world police as automatically amazing. We've seen this over and over again in history. Gaddafi, Hussein, Noriega, Allende, etc. Every time it's sold as liberation, and each time the results are chaos, repression, and instability.

The narrative that needs to be shoved down their throat is that Trump wants more oil and resources, and is stealing it. Nothing more. If Maduro opened up his borders to let in the American oil companies, this wouldn't have happened. His removal isn't about helping Venezuelans. It's about controlling the wealth of the country.

There are more than enough interviews with Trump saying exactly that to the point it's undeniable.
 
P.S.: The strong rule, the weak submit.
That's the only law that effectively exists in our reality.
That's the kind of bullshit philosophy I would expect from a small-time anime villain like Senator Armstrong. Not a grown adult in the real world. Even if I subscribed to it, the weak are not controlled and oppressed, they are protected and cared for.
I'm not speaking for any Venezuelan. It's clear as day that the people there are happy about what happened. It's their voice.
I have eyes to see their celebration and ears to hear their cries of joy.
Did you know that when we invaded Iraq in 2003, there was a similar feeling of cheerful hope and optimism from Iraq citizens? They were very oppressed under the jihadists and welcomed anything to challenge that status quo. But in the 20+ years since, the region has been destabilized to the point of effectively being a war-torn wasteland, and a shadow of its former self. It's pretty fucking clear bringing "freedom" and "democracy" to them hasn't actually made their lives any better.

This kind of operation and occupation is how groups like Al Qaeda formed in the first place. The rest of us have lived through this shit and seen how it plays out. Have you?
 
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That's the kind of bullshit philosophy I would expect from a small-time anime villain like Senator Armstrong. Not a grown adult in the real world. Even if I subscribed to it, the weak are not controlled and oppressed, they are protected and cared for.
Yeah, it's childish to an extreme. With that type of mindset, he could get his ass whooped on the street and he'd have to say "Whelp, I guess that's how it has to be!".
 
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It's a war crime as defined by multiple international and domestic laws.
it's good to see you are now an expert in international law (you must have trained up over the weekend) so can keep us all informed. I can see from reading some of your past posts that you are also an expert in viruses, vaccinations, elections, war tactics, ecconomics, the stock market, Ukrainian and Russian history, The middle east, The jews, the history of the Palestinians, corruption and other things.... Where do you get all the time to be an expert and "the voice" for all these subjects and then have time to spend most of your day on this site replying to posts? I did notice that you've been wrong quite a few times....but hey, who cares, as long as you're heard that's all that matters. Good for you sir, I lift my hat to you, Huzza sir, Huzza. What subject will you be becoming an expert in next?
 
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the weak are not controlled and oppressed, they are protected and cared for.
Keep living in your dreams. Hope you never wake up.
The strong should protect the weak, but they can and do oppress then.
Reality is harsh, but it is what it is.

I know how Iraq played out. I also know that the situation is entirely different.
And in both cases, there was at least hope for some improvement.
Too bad it did not come through there, but it's far more likely to happen over here, for the simple fact that the people in LA are not Jihadists.
 
Keep living in your dreams. Hope you never wake up.
The strong should protect the weak, but they can and do oppress then.
Reality is harsh, but it is what it is.

I know how Iraq played out. I also know that the situation is entirely different.
And in both cases, there was at least hope for some improvement.
Too bad it did not come through there, but it's far more likely to happen over here, for the simple fact that the people in LA are not Jihadists.
you're not getting the memo, alex
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Keep living in your dreams. Hope you never wake up.
The strong should protect the weak, but they can and do oppress then.
Reality is harsh, but it is what it is.
The fact that you not only accept this, but completely embrace it is nothing short of psychotic. Such a mindset is an unnatural corruption brought on by the rich and powerful. Empathy is such a natural instinct in man that it can be observed in primates. To treat it as if it's naive makes you literally less than human.

You're like this douchebag:

I know how Iraq played out. I also know that the situation is entirely different.
Keep telling yourself that. Keep lying to yourself, just like the rest of MAGA is. See you in 3 years when Mexico, Greenland and the rest of South America are war-torn shitholes corrupted by the military-industrial complex beyond repair. Hope you'll be prepared to say "well, sucks Democracy™ didn't happen, but it's better than the alternative am I right?"
 
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The fact that you not only accept this, but completely embrace it is nothing short of psychotic. Such a mindset is an unnatural corruption brought on by the rich and powerful. Empathy is such a natural instinct in man that it can be observed in primates. To treat it as if it's naive makes you literally less than human.

You're like this douchebag:


Keep telling yourself that. Keep lying to yourself, just like the rest of MAGA is. See you in 3 years when Mexico, Greenland and the rest of South America are war-torn shitholes corrupted by the military-industrial complex beyond repair. Hope you'll be prepared to say "well, sucks Democracy™ didn't happen, but it's better than the alternative am I right?"

I'm not getting why you're mentioning "humanity/empathy" here.
The law of strength is universal.

Acknowledging reality is not the same as being apathetic towards injustice.
Never once I said the weak must be oppressed. Just that they are, and that's an objective fact.
If you are weak, try to grow strong and change your standing.

Your naivete comes from "but it should be like this", not from being a sensible human, which I agree with.

We'll see what happens in Venezuela and the rest of America soon then, but I still bet on all you contrarians being wrong.

One more time: we know Trump didn't do it for the people, but the result of "giving hope" is an undeniable positive outcome. It's already clear he's not going for a regime change since he's keeping the power in the hands of the VP and the current Venezuelan Army.
 
Acknowledging reality is not the same as being apathetic towards injustice.
Never once I said the weak must be oppressed. Just that they are, and that's an objective fact.
If you are weak, try to grow strong and change your standing.
I'm getting mixed signals here. You acknowledge that there is injustice, and you acknowledge oppression, yet in the very same breath, you imply that if you're weak, and you are oppressed, that it's your own damn fault. That it is your responsibility and that it shouldn't be up to anyone else in power to look out for you, only you.

In other words, if you're poor, just stop being poor.

This isn't middle school, where the solution to getting bullied is to learn to stand up for yourself. People are fucking dying.
Your naivete comes from "but it should be like this", not from being a sensible human, which I agree with.
My "naivete" comes from frustration with your attitude of "living with" the system, and getting used to the system because "that's life" rather than actively trying to fight the system.
 
I'm getting mixed signals here. You acknowledge that there is injustice, and you acknowledge oppression, yet in the very same breath, you imply that if you're weak, and you are oppressed, that it's your own damn fault. That it is your responsibility and that it shouldn't be up to anyone else in power to look out for you, only you.

In other words, if you're poor, just stop being poor.

This isn't middle school, where the solution to getting bullied is to learn to stand up for yourself. People are fucking dying.

My "naivete" comes from frustration with your attitude of "living with" the system, and getting used to the system because "that's life" rather than actively trying to fight the system.

Yeah, you have assumed something I did not say.

The "system" (reality, really) favoring the strong is a fact. And consider "strength" here as more than mere might.

My original point was: Written laws depend on enforcement (which requires strength), they are pointless without a way to enforce them IRL.
So anyone arguing that what has been done "is a war crime" (crime here implies breaking a law, by definition) is wasting their time/breath at the moment, because even if it is, it's a meaningless law. This discourse can be used later, when it actually matters.

I never said we should let the weak die, or leave them to their own devices.
In fact, what Trump did, ironically, ended up being external aid for the weak Venezuelan populace against the strong dictatorship, by something even stronger (the US), thus proving the original statement (the strong do whatever, the weak endure). Even if he does not give a single F to them. What happens from now on is, IMHO, better than maintaining the previous status.

"If you're poor stop being poor" - That's correct. I never stated, however, that it should be done with your own power.
You can and should ask for help, since the strong, again, should help the weak, but whether they will or will not do it, it's not up to us, and people should be prepared for the worst outcome, always.

It's not a nihilistic or fatalist mindset, nor a naive and optimistic one.
Just realistic. The key to everything in life is balance.
"Hope for the best, prepare for the worst".

There are some realities that we must conform to, but almost never without fighting.

The struggle of the weak, as futile as it is sometimes, is often valid and even inspiring.
I also subscribe to the idea that unity makes strength.

But to think that the weak, by their lonesome selves can achieve anything against the strong, is a vain notion.
That's all.
 
The "it is what it is" reactions are interesting. Like, yes, well observed that the thing that happened happened. Trump does whatever the hell he wants, more at 11.

I guess it's an easy way out of having to form an opinion on any concerns they might have. These things happen, might makes right, having raised this very impressive and meaningful point I shall now bow out before any nasty questions arise.

It seems to be a good thing that Maduro is gone. I also have concerns about the US's true motives here, and the precedent this sets given other members of Trump's admin are already talking about Greenland again. But hey, if they attack Greenland too, nobody will stop them, so I don't have to think too hard about it.

Of course, they'd never do that. They're only taking Venezuela because of its drug smuggling dictator, the Trump admin has an excellent track record with those so it is what it is.
 
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Almost as impotent as a dying pedophile lashing out in desperation to distract from his failures and collapsing support at home. Nothing short of actually addressing the affordability crisis is gonna move that needle, and that's obviously not what billionaires put Trump in office to do.


A lateral move at best with the Maduro administration still in power. Are the neocon chickenhawks prepared to send their sons to bleed and die in order to finish the job and fully enact regime change? I very much doubt it.
As of 2024 Maduro and his government were accused by the UN of crimes against humanity and a fraudulent election. This makes a legal case for universal jurisdiction under its own charter.

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Internat...ity-post-election-violence/story?id=114833485

The UN cannot claim that Maduro’s a dictator, the government is illegitimate, provide a mechanism for the removal of such criminals *and* simultaneously criticise the use of said mechanism without sounding hypocritical. The matter is more complex than Internet keyboard warriors present it. There’s ample precedent for an election that’s overseen by international forces. It would be ideal if a full-scale revolution could be avoided, so here’s for hoping.
 
And in both cases, there was at least hope for some improvement.
Too bad it did not come through there, but it's far more likely to happen over here, for the simple fact that the people in LA are not Jihadists.
"Keep living in your dreams. Hope you never wake up."
 
" the weak are not controlled and oppressed, they are protected and cared for. "
You were saying he was dreaming to think that way, and I was relaying it back to you to think there is hope for Venezuela (Unlike Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, etc).

He's correct in thinking that way, because that's how our society has been able to progress to the point it has. It's a social contract that everyone is required to sign up for. When someone breaks that contract, they need to be removed from society (Ie: Jail).
 
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