So spoofed amiibos are still safe on Switch2 right?

[Marc_LFD]

They are still making them so it's surprising they aren't bothered about losing sales.

Donkey Kong & Pauline amiibo is due to release with the game.

I know but the popularity of amiibos has shattered. If they want to make amiibos harder to pirate they'd need to add DRM to it in some form.

 

[duderin]

Every NFC Tag manufactured has a UID. The UID is build like a MAC Address, but with 7 segments instead. There are two "digits" inside each segment... meaning 14 digits. Each digit can range between 0-9 and A-F, so 16 values. So we look at 16x16x16x16x16x16x16x16x16x16x16x16x16x16 ... or in otherwords about 72 quadtrillion different possible UIDs.

A UID is placed in the very first two memory entries of an NFC Tag, and gets there when an NFC Tag gets manufactured. These entries are read only and can't be modified afterwards.

Read more here
(This is the spot where I would like to include an URL, but that's not allowed for me as a newbie for now)

Nintendo uses the UID to differentiate between two of the same amiibos. For example, if you have two of the physically same Twilight Princess Link Amiibos, you can scan them both on the same day in Breath of the Wild. But each of them only once per day.

Since we know that the Amiibo data is always the same, how the heck does Nintendo know they are different? Correct - NFC Tag UIDs.


If they do a new Amiibo series, or new figures, they can easily start to track the UIDs of each bought NFC Tag and which got sold... and in the end compare them to what the user scans. And if the user scanned NFC UID does not match any Amiibos in the list or maybe even matches with an Amiibo from another series, which is not possible, (only possible with a very very very low chance using an amiibo emulator like allmiibo with random tag generation), they got you.


But this requires strictly keeping track of EACH AND EVERY NFC received and sold by Nintendo... which could be impossible without a sticky followed work flow that ensures that the UID's of every NFC tag is collected... and i guess that's why they don't do it.... for now.


There is, for now, no recorded ban on amiibo spoofing, but
expect bad things to happen when doing illegal stuff.

 

[lordelan]

If they do a new Amiibo series, or new figures, they can easily start to track the UIDs of each bought NFC Tag and which got sold...

Yeah, they could do this, aka carrying a big JSON of thousands of UIDs with each Switch (2) firmware update and use a matching method each time an Amiibo is scanned to verify its in that list.

However I would highly doubt that and even if they would start doing that now, all previous Amiibos up until the Switch 2 era should be safe to duplicate.

 

[duderin]

Yeah, they could do this, aka carrying a big JSON of thousands of UIDs with each Switch (2) firmware update and use a matching method each time an Amiibo is scanned to verify its in that list.

However I would highly doubt that and even if they would start doing that now, all previous Amiibos up until the Switch 2 era should be safe to duplicate.

i don't think it's necessary to have a list on the device itself. let's assume they already transfer the NFC UID over to Nintendo servers - all they need to do, server sided, is to run scripts that check if a certain amiibo comes from a certain series - if yes -> compare NFC UID. If it doesn't match -> punish.


No big json for each Switch system update needed. At least for the current way they punish people... which is console bans in waves after some log checks.


Again, also assumed they have a process in place that ensures that 100% of all NFC UIDs are collected. Which in itself is a very tough thing to pull off. They need to be 100% strict. If one legitimate UID is not noted, that legitimate amiibo could cause a ban. Which is why they don't do that I assume.


Anyways, with Nintendo being Nintendo, I won't claim they wouldn't do that. Just wanted to point out it's "simple" to pull out a process to punish people out of "thin air".


Also, usage of an Allmiibo and it's random tag feature... could, log wise, at least raise an eyebrow if Nintendo sees you scanned 100+ physically different Amiibos of the same figure on one day.


With everything Illegal, expect the worst to happen. If you are fine with that, go on.

 

[ezkitty]

1 month has passed since I've scanned with spoofer device. No ban within the system or Nintendo App. Newest amiibo spoofed and nothing happened
Nintendo simply doesn't care compared to their softwares. I can update if I do get banned but you'll probably be 6 feet under by the time you get an answer.
Unless Nintendo creates their very own exclusive NFC scanner, it's safe. You have a 99.999% chance of getting banned with Migswitch if the mig team screwed up their firmware

 

[Marc_LFD]

1 month has passed since I've scanned with spoofer device. No ban within the system or Nintendo App. Newest amiibo spoofed and nothing happened
Nintendo simply doesn't care compared to their softwares. I can update if I do get banned but you'll probably be 6 feet under by the time you get an answer.
Unless Nintendo creates their very own exclusive NFC scanner, it's safe. You have a 99.999% chance of getting banned with Migswitch if the mig team screwed up their firmware

Well, Nintendo did make an NFC scanner a couple of years ago...

Of course that's for the 3DS/2DS.

 

[Krustenkäse]

I wouldn't be surprised if they are trying to come up with a way to lock them down.

Hopefully the New DK Bananza ones are safe. I pre-ordered the game, but no shot im buying the Amiibos for that price.

 

[ezkitty]

Hopefully the New DK Bananza ones are safe. I pre-ordered the game, but no shot im buying the Amiibos for that price.

it will be safe. nothing has changed for NFC scanning

 

[a_username_that_is_cool]

if they DID change the Amiibo thing my theory would be proprietary system (with backwards-compatible system for the old NFCiibo) so you can't emulate the new amiibo. But why would they do that when they can make 80 dollar game

 

[Marc_LFD]

Just a photo of the amiibo cards I bought on AliExpress. Very tiny, well, the size of Switch carts, but do its job.

I'm not afraid of getting banned for using this, but if it were a Mig cart? You bet I'd not do it. Don't want my console to be part of a raffle ban wave.

 

[Absolute_Vile]

I was curious about all these subject so I came here with information you might find useful, See the image below as you see that Nintendo ACTUALLY registers the amiibos I use, 2 of Wich are spoof cards, and I use them BEFORE linking to the Zelda Notes in the Nintendo app, The exact registry of them is being read online by Nintendo and they can see Wich are copies and Wich are not, Of I ever get baned THIS is going to be the reason, you might want to continue cautiously with for now with using non official items because as you know Nintendo is a self righteous company full of hubris and pride and I don't doubts they could ban for pirated amiibos usage.

 

[Lenks]

I understand everything you're saying, but how will they know that this is a spoofed one and not just the same Amiibo used on multiple devices? Remember that Amiibo is not tied to a specific account and device and can be used on multiple devices, so by this i see complications if they want to implement some limitations...

 

[tonhon]

I understand everything you're saying, but how will they know that this is a spoofed one and not just the same Amiibo used on multiple devices? Remember that Amiibo is not tied to a specific account and device and can be used on multiple devices, so by this i see complications if they want to implement some limitations...

I believe the only thing they can do is keep track of the UID of all the amiibo ever manufactured and do the check once an amiibo is scanned (because not all UID possibilities correspond to an amiibo that was actually manufactured), so they can only ban the unreleased UID in order to prevent major implications of scanning multiple owned amiibos or borrowing the amiibos from another person.
I believe they already check the UID of whats being scanned, since Zelda Notes only register 1 amiibo UID per figure on the app.

 

[Xandrick]

With this recent scare regarding MIG Switch bans on Switch 2 and other Terms of Use rule breaks, how do we feel about NFC chips or stuff like Allmiibo?

There isn't really a way to distinguish between a legit amiibo and a fake one as the data is the same, but that's just to my knowledge. I am sure Nintendo would prefer if people bought the statues, no matter how old.

I noticed that Zelda Notes does keep track of when you used amiibos and what kind of amiibos they are. So Nintendo could see this telemetry potentially. Switch consoles also keep track of amiibos and even offer to repair them if they're corrupt iirc.

I've used NFC tags for my switch 2 since launch and didn't think much about it at all. I am not banned. The reason I am asking now is because I saw someone randomly bring up that now it *might* be a problem.

I personally doubt Nintendo would issue bans for this, as counterfeit amiibo and custom amiibo are very popular and would result in way more angry customers being unwilling to pay as banning MIG Switch users does (assuming the MIG users are pirates of course. Heart goes out to anyone who used legitimately owned backups lol)

So, what do you guys think?

Any news? If you are already using it, is your console still normal?
I'm really scared to use it.

On Switch 01 I used homemade tags, which I recorded myself and never had a problem, but on Switch 2, as the policy is stricter I'm really apprehensive. I bought ALLMIBO, but I didn't have the courage to use it.

 

[ezkitty]

Any news? If you are already using it, is your console still normal?
I'm really scared to use it.

On Switch 01 I used homemade tags, which I recorded myself and never had a problem, but on Switch 2, as the policy is stricter I'm really apprehensive. I bought ALLMIBO, but I didn't have the courage to use it.

Couple post up, I posted about my switch 2 not being banned after 1 month of using an amiibo spoofer. People are just panicking more since Migswitch users got banned and Nintendo got "stricter". They just covering themselves from any potential lawsuit. Nothing much changed

 

[SMNFXCN]

Do it and lets us know. Thanks in advance for your sacrifice.

ive done all of the splatoon amiibos in splat 3 and im fine

 

[orig4mi]

Do we have confirmation yet if the Bananza amiibo is safe? I saw the files floating around and I guess people were using it. Nothing different with that amiibo in particular?

 

[MohammedQ8]

Do we have confirmation yet if the Bananza amiibo is safe? I saw the files floating around and I guess people were using it. Nothing different with that amiibo in particular?

I rushed and used it today on my amiiqo device will I get banned?

 

[orig4mi]

I rushed and used it today on my amiiqo device will I get banned?

I doubt it honestly. It doesn't seem like anything has changed when it comes to spoofed amiibo.

 

[MohammedQ8]

I doubt it honestly. It doesn't seem like anything has changed when it comes to spoofed amiibo.

Yeah I didn’t get banned yet lol I hope never happens.