So spoofed amiibos are still safe on Switch2 right?

[orig4mi]

With this recent scare regarding MIG Switch bans on Switch 2 and other Terms of Use rule breaks, how do we feel about NFC chips or stuff like Allmiibo?

There isn't really a way to distinguish between a legit amiibo and a fake one as the data is the same, but that's just to my knowledge. I am sure Nintendo would prefer if people bought the statues, no matter how old.

I noticed that Zelda Notes does keep track of when you used amiibos and what kind of amiibos they are. So Nintendo could see this telemetry potentially. Switch consoles also keep track of amiibos and even offer to repair them if they're corrupt iirc.

I've used NFC tags for my switch 2 since launch and didn't think much about it at all. I am not banned. The reason I am asking now is because I saw someone randomly bring up that now it *might* be a problem.

I personally doubt Nintendo would issue bans for this, as counterfeit amiibo and custom amiibo are very popular and would result in way more angry customers being unwilling to pay as banning MIG Switch users does (assuming the MIG users are pirates of course. Heart goes out to anyone who used legitimately owned backups lol)

So, what do you guys think?

 

[Ettino]

Do it and lets us know. Thanks in advance for your sacrifice.

 

[orig4mi]

Do it and lets us know. Thanks in advance for your sacrifice.

If you bothered to read you'd know I already did it three weeks ago. No ban since. Just figured I'd ask what others think.

The whole point of a spoofed amiibo is that it's pretty much indistinguishable from a real one. The only way they could detect a fake one is if they somehow tracked the NFC chips unique user ID (of the chip itself, not the amiibo) and see that it isn't among the manufactured ones.

It's ultimately also not worth issueing bans for it considering how easily people could fall for counterfeit. Not to mention, spoofed amiibos only net small ingame rewards for the most part and the main appeal of amiibos is the collectors value, of which nfc chips have none, so Nintendo wouldn't have gotten any money anyway since fake amiibo users are generally only interested in the ingame rewards and won't buy the statue if they don't need to.

So all in all I am not seriously worried. Still think this warrants a thread.

 

[zxr750j]

You are absolutely right not to worry. The real money for n is in the sale of the amibo figures, the couldn't care less if you get a free sword in a game you already bought.

 

[ezkitty]

With this recent scare regarding MIG Switch bans on Switch 2 and other Terms of Use rule breaks, how do we feel about NFC chips or stuff like Allmiibo?

There isn't really a way to distinguish between a legit amiibo and a fake one as the data is the same, but that's just to my knowledge. I am sure Nintendo would prefer if people bought the statues, no matter how old.

I noticed that Zelda Notes does keep track of when you used amiibos and what kind of amiibos they are. So Nintendo could see this telemetry potentially. Switch consoles also keep track of amiibos and even offer to repair them if they're corrupt iirc.

I've used NFC tags for my switch 2 since launch and didn't think much about it at all. I am not banned. The reason I am asking now is because I saw someone randomly bring up that now it *might* be a problem.

I personally doubt Nintendo would issue bans for this, as counterfeit amiibo and custom amiibo are very popular and would result in way more angry customers being unwilling to pay as banning MIG Switch users does (assuming the MIG users are pirates of course. Heart goes out to anyone who used legitimately owned backups lol)

So, what do you guys think?

I've used my allmiibo with random UID for BOTW Switch 2 and never received any ban. I scanned the new amiibos as well that were meant for totk but they are also tracked in botw (Tulin, Riju, Sidon, and Yunobo). I spawned in infinite amounts of Epona with random UID enabled. I was trying to go for the outfit but that didnt work so I had to time travel and disable random UID to get the outfit. They track the amiibos but I dont see any issues with you scanning as many as you want. The app does have a nice system in place after a certain amount of real life days of scanning the amiibo, you can scan it twice a day instead of once

 

[Sayora]

There isn't really a way to distinguish between a legit amiibo and a fake one as the data is the same, but that's just to my knowledge.

Really it's impossible for us to know for certain. A while ago it might have been reasonable to assume a MIG Switch with proper dumps and a real cartridge are indistinguishable to the console, yet Nintendo's found a way to tell anyway. Unfortunately the only way to find out is to try and see what happens. =/

 

[linuxares]

I honestly don't think Nintendo care about NFC. It's such a open standard.

 

[Marc_LFD]

I honestly don't think Nintendo care about NFC. It's such a open standard.

I'm thinking about ordering the amiibo cards (x21) from AliExpress just to unlock the Mii costumes. At least I don't have to buy the toys just to get them so that's cool.

 

[Gbasam64]

I honestly don't think Nintendo care about NFC. It's such a open standard.

don't understimate nintendo when it comes to the banhammer

 

[Skv0ra]

don't understimate nintendo when it comes to the banhammer

Money. Play their game how you're supposed to, or begone vile witch! But please come right back after purchasing a new life.

 

[Marc_LFD]

I just used amiibo cards to unlock all costumes in MK8D, the cards are of the size of Switch cartridges.

If Nintendo bans my Switch 2 that's pretty desperate, and if we're scared of what Nintendo considers unauthorized then you're stuck to only using their own accessories.

Is the 8Bitdo USB adapter safe to use? Can we use a third party screen protector? Can we use a non-Nintendo HDMI cable? Can we use a non-Nintendo USB? Can we use a non-Nintendo branded Express SD Card? We must check what our overlords will allow us to use...

 

[Deleted member 756397]

You should be pretty safe but nintendo does love to ban people who do stuff like this so you may not be banned now but just be extra careful with it but as of right now it seems to be perfectly safe also just keep an eye on updates for that because one trick that i think is very helpful nintendo cannot just change the EULA (End User License Agreement), it violates EU law, thats what happened when they updated it to say they can brick your console so if the ever update it PLEASE i beg you read it or i will post a TL;DR for you but especially in the modding community you have to pay attention to stuff like that.

 

[Krustenkäse]

If you bothered to read you'd know I already did it three weeks ago. No ban since. Just figured I'd ask what others think.

The whole point of a spoofed amiibo is that it's pretty much indistinguishable from a real one. The only way they could detect a fake one is if they somehow tracked the NFC chips unique user ID (of the chip itself, not the amiibo) and see that it isn't among the manufactured ones.

It's ultimately also not worth issueing bans for it considering how easily people could fall for counterfeit. Not to mention, spoofed amiibos only net small ingame rewards for the most part and the main appeal of amiibos is the collectors value, of which nfc chips have none, so Nintendo wouldn't have gotten any money anyway since fake amiibo users are generally only interested in the ingame rewards and won't buy the statue if they don't need to.

So all in all I am not seriously worried. Still think this warrants a thread.

I used amiibo dumps on the release day in BOTW and everything works fine. Dont think Amiibo dumps are risky considering anyone could use a friends amiibo to use on their own system.

 

[lordelan]

I highly doubt there's any technical way to detect a difference between an original Amiibo and a NFC NTAG215 where that Amiibo bin has been flashed to.

 

[subcon959]

I highly doubt there's any technical way to detect a difference between an original Amiibo and a NFC NTAG215 where that Amiibo bin has been flashed to.

I wouldn't be surprised if they are trying to come up with a way to lock them down.

 

[Marc_LFD]

I wouldn't be surprised if they are trying to come up with a way to lock them down.

A bit too late the Amiibo trend has long past. I still remember when they were valuable.

 

[subcon959]

A bit too late the Amiibo trend has long past. I still remember when they were valuable.

They are still making them so it's surprising they aren't bothered about losing sales.

Donkey Kong & Pauline amiibo is due to release with the game.

 

[lordelan]

I wouldn't be surprised if they are trying to come up with a way to lock them down.

They can't unless they make a cut and all upcoming Amiibos are different (different encryption or even different NFC protocoll) and if they do that, it's highly likely that the Wii U and 3DS can't read those new Amiibos in games like BotW where you can use any Amiibo to trigger an effect rather than only those the game supports (like MK8).
And the Switch 1 probably won't be able to read those new Amiibos as well except there'll be a firmware update with the new encryption keys, if they choose to only alter the encryption key that is. But then again it's just a matter of time until talented people figure the new key out and then TagMo is compatible again.

 

[OrGoN3]

I highly doubt there's any technical way to detect a difference between an original Amiibo and a NFC NTAG215 where that Amiibo bin has been flashed to.

Considering the original amiibo is also an ntag215, I don't see what the difference could be. We can copy the entire amiibo and verify the contents by decrypting them. You can also write a full unaltered amiibo dump to another ntag215 and the Switches have no way of knowing it's not the original.

 

[lordelan]

Considering the original amiibo is also an ntag215, I don't see what the difference could be. We can copy the entire amiibo and verify the contents by decrypting them. You can also write a full unaltered amiibo dump to another ntag215 and the Switches have no way of knowing it's not the original.

Correct. It's basically what I was trying to say.