Why are anti-AI folks so angry about what other people do?

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In my experience it really comes down to the fact that there's some super talented people who, for whatever reason, struggle to make a living from their creative endeavours. I know some insanely talented artists but the reality is their art does not and will never pay the bills. Frankly, not much has changed with AI - they barely made ends meet before AI became widely available, and they don't now either.

But when you've struggled this much, and then you see people able to make art that, on the surface at least, looks reasonably good, with next to zero effort, it's more than a tad frustrating. Especially when the reality is that even the most 'ethical' companies, sooner or later, are going to outsource more of their work to AI. Hell, look at the software industry - programmers aren't going anywhere for now but a lot of companies are hiring far fewer juniors now, because why would you bother investing time and effort into training up juniors when you could just give the seniors more AI credits to play with?

Fact is though that companies are going to continue doing this. Further up the thread someone made the point that there's plenty of genuinely talented amateurs who'd love the opportunity to do VA work, for example, and I don't doubt that, but when you work for $company and you've been tasked with getting some voice lines done, it's way, way easier to just throw the lines into ElevenLabs, get something 'good enough' and move onto the next item than go through all of the processes to hire a VA (including finding them, auditioning, hoping they've got a decent setup that actually sounds any good etc) with none of the risk of a VA attached to your product doing something that brings your company into disrepute.

Plus the other bonus - if a year from now, you need to change a line, you just run it through the AI again. No need to hire the VA for another session, and hope they're still available and willing to work with you.

As for how we solve this, I'm not sure honestly. I think the concept of a minimum basic income isn't a bad one, but I'm still a tad unsure about how a society based around that would even function.
 
I'm using the so called AI for my music. I cant sing and ai gives me the ability to put ok sounding vocals in my tracks.
Not commercial, hobbymusic.
But otherwise i dont like ai.

The main thing is, that Everyone is naming it Ai.
But its not really an ai as mentioned before from you guys.
More like a database with slightly more features than alexa.

We are currently very far away from a real ai.
Imagine ai is a wheel.
The real ai is round... Ours is at the moment is like a stone block.
 
My son's a visual artist, and when I started using AI animations for my musical videos, he was hurt and angry, saying it took the creativity out of the expression.

I then started seeing and hearing about musical AI, and though I wasn't particularly concerned about it, I can perceive better what he was saying to me. It takes away from me much of the meaning of over 40 years of playing guitar, which included bleeding fingers, five years of studied music in college, and additional years of a horrifying, gambled lifestyle trying to make it in the live-performance arena.

All that being said, it's a new generation, and people are finding new ways of expressing what's inside them. So, though I fear it and stay the hell away from it, I can't say I begrudge anyone for taking advantage of it. When done honestly and with the purpose of expressing something meaningful, it's still art to me. I'm more disappointed with the nature of business than I am with the tools people use to express and create art.
 
because all companies train their ai on stolen content, usually content from small creators
And in turn, we all know how to register copyright on our work and that tineye exists. Now, if small creators are doing absolutely fukall to protect their own work.......they're missing out on potentially huge lawsuits depending on who steals the likeness of the work.

Also, blogging exists hotter than ever, and making a post or even a vid pointing out blatant similarities between some AI jawn and your own piece it clearly ripped would only benefit the OG artist.
 
AI don't need visa to take over jobs.
If your tech job rapidly exceeds your IQ.....that's mostly a you problem.

Take near ANY damn sci-fi from any past or present decade and look at the typical setting in it - to live in a cardboard box, you need to know 6-10 galactic languages, be able to fly AND repair space ships, and hack mad complex security measures. Well, we're rapidly nearing similar par IRL, and yes, some folks will get left out if they don't wake to the fact that learning a LOT of shit is free.99 now and that black brick in their hand isn't just for pr0n and doom scrolling TitKok shorts.

Robotization will also happen, sooner than later, and then retail staff who isn't a maintenance level coder and electrical engineer will also become obsolete, but it's not like any of this is some secret ass knowledge only select few get to know about.
 
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Using reference material is not stealing. Otherwise ALL artists would be guilty of "art theft". Still waiting for definitive proof that Ai straight-up STEALS, yet nobody can provide me with such "proof".

Ai is a tool. Treat it like same-sex marriage; if you don't like it, there's no need for you to use it. But getting upset over things that don't affect your daily life is just silly. Keep supporting real artists.
 
Using reference material is not stealing. Otherwise ALL artists would be guilty of "art theft". Still waiting for definitive proof that Ai straight-up STEALS, yet nobody can provide me with such "proof".

Ai is a tool. Treat it like same-sex marriage; if you don't like it, there's no need for you to use it. But getting upset over things that don't affect your daily life is just silly. Keep supporting real artists.
 

love Gabi, one of the best commentary YouTubers around these days. Great video.
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My son's a visual artist, and when I started using AI animations for my musical videos, he was hurt and angry, saying it took the creativity out of the expression.

I then started seeing and hearing about musical AI, and though I wasn't particularly concerned about it, I can perceive better what he was saying to me. It takes away from me much of the meaning of over 40 years of playing guitar, which included bleeding fingers, five years of studied music in college, and additional years of a horrifying, gambled lifestyle trying to make it in the live-performance arena.

All that being said, it's a new generation, and people are finding new ways of expressing what's inside them. So, though I fear it and stay the hell away from it, I can't say I begrudge anyone for taking advantage of it. When done honestly and with the purpose of expressing something meaningful, it's still art to me. I'm more disappointed with the nature of business than I am with the tools people use to express and create art.
I think one of the thing that bugs me in regards AI ‘art’ or music is why would anyone want to watch an AI movie, or listen to a song AI spit out? Combing through A shovelware hellscape of AI crap is like my nightmare. I wish I could see it as art like you, but I can’t. I don’t find it meaningful or creative that someone typed a prompt, I want someone who put their heart and soul into what they made. The collaborative nature of film and the love of music is like, the point of even wanting to consume that media, anything else feels devoid of creativity or emotion or soul. Like, I want to hear your 40 years of sweat and blood when I hear a song from you. It’s what makes art art.

I think it is naive to think generative AI is going away or is a fad, and I’m not ignorant that it will inevitably be used in film or music or whatever, but it does sadden me.
 
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I think one of the thing that bugs me in regards AI ‘art’ or music is why would anyone want to watch an AI movie, or listen to a song AI spit out? Combing through A shovelware hellscape of AI crap is like my nightmare. I wish I could see it as art like you, but I can’t. I don’t find it meaningful or creative that someone typed a prompt, I want someone who put their heart and soul into what they made. The collaborative nature of film and the love of music is like, the point of even wanting to consume that media, anything else feels devoid of creativity or emotion or soul. Like, I want to hear your 40 years of sweat and blood when I hear a song from you. It’s what makes art art.

I think it is naive to think generative AI is going away or is a fad, and I’m not ignorant that it will inevitably be used in film or music or whatever, but it does sadden me.
I thought I was done visiting this thread, but I use it to enhance creative endeavors. Case in point, working on a personal webpage and wanted to see what it looked like with a hyper specific cover image. I'm not sharing it with anyone. If I wanted to make it public, I'd replace it.
 
I thought I was done visiting this thread, but I use it to enhance creative endeavors. Case in point, working on a personal webpage and wanted to see what it looked like with a hyper specific cover image. I'm not sharing it with anyone. If I wanted to make it public, I'd replace it.
that’s cool, but I was not talking about using it in the creative process, which I have no issue with.
 
that’s cool, but I was not talking about using it in the creative process, which I have no issue with.
Which is well and good, but plenty of people do, which is confusing to me, which is why I made the thread in the first place
 
Using reference material is not stealing. Otherwise ALL artists would be guilty of "art theft". Still waiting for definitive proof that Ai straight-up STEALS, yet nobody can provide me with such "proof".

Ai is a tool. Treat it like same-sex marriage; if you don't like it, there's no need for you to use it. But getting upset over things that don't affect your daily life is just silly. Keep supporting real artists.
I was once on a website (not anymore) with a strong anti-AI stance.
Their owner posted an image to their forums with the numbers of attempted and blocked connections by scrapers from corporations like OpenAI, and they were in the hundreds.

The website in question hosts art. Actual art, held to strict moderation standards with permanent and unappealable account locks issued if you try and submit AI-generated art at any point.

I paid $30 for an art commission, using Splatoon's Smallfry as a reference. To submit, I had to include a very clear statement that the art was based on Nintendo's Splatoon, and the art also had to have significant changes done for it to consitute fair use.

In the art industry, artists usually credit their reference work. What LLMs do is scrape websites for training data without any sort of permission or even credit for the work.
 
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I was once on a website (not anymore) with a strong anti-AI stance.
Their owner posted an image to their forums with the numbers of attempted and blocked connections by scrapers from corporations like OpenAI, and they were in the hundreds.

The website in question hosts art. Actual art, held to strict moderation standards with permanent and unappealable account locks issued if you try and submit AI-generated art at any point.

I paid $30 for an art commission, using Splatoon's Smallfry as a reference. To submit, I had to include a very clear statement that the art was based on Nintendo's Splatoon, and the art also had to have significant changes done for it to consitute fair use.

In the art industry, artists usually credit their reference work. What LLMs do is scrape websites for training data without any sort of permission or even credit for the work.
I do strongly believe Ai should at the very least site their sources, yes. But how would that be implemented? Metadata in the file? A text file to go along with it? I'm genuinely curious how it could be done and still be non-inteusive to the image without adding watermarks or whatever to the generated image.
 
my opinion on AI is about as stable as AI. I usually am on the "AI is fine if used correctly" side but there are always caveats to this; for example using so much water to cool the PCs. I can train an AI model on my 3060 fine and it's air-cooled, not even water-cooled, they really don't need to use so much water...
 
AI is based
Absolutely.

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