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By definition it can't be good news for everyone--those people were found guilty in the eyes of the law for conspiracy to barricade an abortion clinic to prevent patients from seeking medical treatment. Many American citizens feel that Trump's pardons here are solely due to political favoritism, not due to a fundamental and extensive error in reasoning, as the pardon was designed for. Trump is far from the first President to use the pardon for his personal gains, but I do dare say he has been the most blatant about doing so.
Most of the people I've seen praising Trump's pardons are the same people that believe that a baby is the same thing as a fertilized egg. Not surprising, but altogether rather disappointing.
Perhaps even more concerning is the lasting damage that Trump's given to the integrity of the presidential pardon. By pardoning people even his own vice president was against pardoning, as he has, he's showing that it's okay to commit crimes if it's Trump's will to do so--quite similarly, and in alarming parallel to, claims of divine instruction as justification or validation of wars, massacres, and other atrocities.
It seems every day, the power structure of America shifts ever so slightly away from democracy.
"I will end the Ukraine war in the first 24 hours."
"I can end the conflict even before I enter the White House."
"On day one, I will lower grocery prices, they will come down dramatically and fast."
"I will solve America’s opioid crisis on day one."
"On day one, I will announce my Supreme Court nominations."
-Donald Trump (Campaign promises)
"I will end the Ukraine war in the first 24 hours."
"I can end the conflict even before I enter the White House."
"On day one, I will lower grocery prices, they will come down dramatically and fast."
"I will solve America’s opioid crisis on day one."
"On day one, I will announce my Supreme Court nominations."
-Donald Trump (Campaign promises)
It's terribly ironic that the only people who believed these lies are the same people who will completely fail to realize that they never came to fruition.
So he pardoned these "peaceful protectors" who barricaded the clinics' doors with bicycle chains, injured clinic workers, and prevented heath care for those that needed it? Figures the nut job would do something like this, just like pardoning the J6 rioters who deliberately attacked police and stormed the Capitol that he pushed to happen.
"But the child in the womb!?" Yeah, tell that to the 10-yr old rape victim from Ohio who had to travel to an adjacent state to get an abortion. Tell that to the women who don't even have viable fetuses and are dying from sepsis because they are told they can't have an abortion until it is too late. As it is, the moment the baby is born, they are ignored. That is not pro-life. That is pro-birth. If these people in power actually cared about the child, they would extend health care after the birth. If these people were "pro-life", then they would focus on getting the existing children in orphanages taken care of.
But they don't care. It's all about control of the woman, not support of the child. As it is, a woman cannot get pregnant without the seed of the man, but instead of dealing with the problem at the source, they instead do everything they can to prevent the woman from having a choice.
By definition it can't be good news for everyone--those people were found guilty in the eyes of the law for conspiracy to barricade an abortion clinic to prevent patients from seeking medical treatment. Many American citizens feel that Trump's pardons here are solely due to political favoritism, not due to a fundamental and extensive error in reasoning, as the pardon was designed for. Trump is far from the first President to use the pardon for his personal gains, but I do dare say he has been the most blatant about doing so.
If they were arrested under the current law, who was this law intended to serve? To reassert and concretize anti-human principles that someone had previously established? How is this different from fascist actions? In the face of such actions, a person is obliged to oppose the prevailing “norms.” The fact that they were pardoned mostly people who were protesting peacefully is disturbing as much as the fact that not everyone present at the time, or most of us, were protesting.
Most of the people I've seen praising Trump's pardons are the same people that believe that a baby is the same thing as a fertilized egg. Not surprising, but altogether rather disappointing.
Perhaps even more concerning is the lasting damage that Trump's given to the integrity of the presidential pardon. By pardoning people even his own vice president was against pardoning, as he has, he's showing that it's okay to commit crimes if it's Trump's will to do so--quite similarly, and in alarming parallel to, claims of divine instruction as justification or validation of wars, massacres, and other atrocities.
You're right, Biden's pardons in the last days of his presidency should never have happened. We can't compare them, so these pardons acct are not good for anyone.
If they were arrested under the current law, who was this law intended to serve? To reassert and concretize anti-human principles that someone had previously established? How is this different from fascist actions? In the face of such actions, a person is obliged to oppose the prevailing “norms.” The fact that they were pardoned mostly people who were protesting peacefully is disturbing as much as the fact that not everyone present at the time, or most of us, were protesting.
I laughed out loud reading this.
The law applies to the present state, not hypothetical what-ifs. Does cooking a chicken egg mean you're killing a full-grown chicken? Why not? If the egg became a chicken in the future, then what's the difference? Same thing. Maybe good philosophical banter, but far from any grounds to base a concrete law on.
The scientific results aren't comfy, nor are they new. They are, however, scientific, which can't be said for virtually any pro-life arguments. Terminating a clump of cells that are mere days old does not equate to the murder of a developed human life. And if you believe otherwise, I would tend to think that your understanding of human biology is fundamentally flawed, and I would say that someone with that misguided of a basic, scientifically backed principle is in no position to take away rights from a historically oppressed group of people.
You're right, Biden's pardons in the last days of his presidency should never have happened. We can't compare them, so these pardons acct are not good for anyone.
Whether they should or shouldn't've happened is subjective and not really relevant. What isn't subjective is that several presidents have issued pardons near the end of their terms for reasons that could most likely be considered personal or biased (Ford, Clinton, H. W. Bush, and Trump's last presidency, to name a few). The difference here is that the pardons are much more favorized. Think about it. How do you think supporters of the pardons would feel about a future call to action by Trump, now that precedent has been set that Trump will just pardon those convicted? The last pardon this obviously slanted was President Ford's pardon for Richard Nixon. If Trump will just pardon you if you commit a crime in his name, then what's stopping you from raiding a Democratic-led office building in his name? This is what I'm talking about. Not the pardons per se, but the precedent that they set for future actions.
Oh my heckin science!!! Our silly little gotcha meme worked! We showed him an animal fetus and told him it was a human fetus! Got 'em! We did it Reddit! We owned the CHUDS!
Oh my heckin science!!! Our silly little gotcha meme worked! We showed him an animal fetus and told him it was a human fetus! Got 'em! We did it Reddit! We owned the CHUDS!
I don't see that confrontation as a gotcha, so much as a point to be made. I'm not a biologist. You're not a biologist. Trump's not a biologist. Biden's not a biologist.
Why, then, should any of us have the power to make decisions and assumptions based off of our own inexperience? Why not leave biology to the biologists?
The most outstanding example of this is, of course, Trump's recent redefinition of gender identity that not only invalidates everything outside the binary sexes (which won't make the gender spectrum cease to exist or prevent the idea of gender ideology in the future), but was so vague and baseless that it could have been reasonably interpreted by an average citizen to designate all Americans as either female or non-binary, depending on how you interpret the language.
And, yeah. Of course some people will point and laugh and do nothing more than mock the pro-life crowd for what amounted to a calculated rugpull. I'm not laughing. I'm concerned, if anything.
Well that's the worst, so people that actually harassed others at an abortion clinic get pardoned? That's just stupid and demonstrates the closed mind of some people. I'm all for women having abortions, and if you don't like it deal with it. At the end of the day the woman's body is her own and she should be able to decide wether to have or not an abortion. I see it as an irresponsible thing to demand a woman to have a baby that might either not get the good life it needs or might even die while giving birth. What about rape victims?
It gets me angry, like why can't they just let the women decide?
Yeah I'm sure there's some great truth lurking there that wasn't revealed in the millions of documents that were already declassified. It was the aliens.
Donald Trump is great. Thank God USA voted for him, already the world is becoming safer and brighter and he is sticking to why people voted for him. I'm loving all these new executive orders and watching all the left wing meltdowns as he leaves the last admins policies in tatters.
Trump is already going to in the history books and will be remembered as one of the USA's greatest presidents of all time. Biden on the other hand will go down as the most corrupt and Trump was needed to fix everything he broke.
Donald Trump is great. Thank God USA voted for him, already the world is becoming safer and brighter and he is sticking to why people voted for him. I'm loving all these new executive orders and watching all the left wing meltdowns as he leaves the last admins policies in tatters.
Trump is already going to in the history books and will be remembered as one of the USA's greatest presidents of all time. Biden on the other hand will go down as the most corrupt and Trump was needed to fix everything he broke.
The world is laughing at the USA because "Madam President" is making the country dumber, violent and more dependent. His voters didn't even know what a tariff was, only from what she told them which was a complete lie. She put people in positions they are not qualified to handle. She lied about lowering grocery prices. Her deportation acts are going to reduce the workforce that handle the agriculture side of the country because "'Americans" don't want to do that work. She's pardoning violent people who broke the law. Taxes are going to go up for citizens while the rich are getting even more tax breaks.
If you haven't been paying attention, Trump's trans ban basically says that everyone is female, including "herself".
The world is laughing at the USA because "Madam President" is making the country dumber, violent and more dependent. His voters didn't even know what a tariff was, only from what she told them which was a complete lie. She put people in positions they are not qualified to handle. She lied about lowering grocery prices. Her deportation acts are going to reduce the workforce that handle the agriculture side of the country because "'Americans" don't want to do that work. She's pardoning violent people who broke the law. Taxes are going to go up for citizens while the rich are getting even more tax breaks.
If you haven't been paying attention, Trump's trans ban basically says that everyone is female, including "herself".
"His voters did not know what tariffs are?" Do you know maths, most of the tariffs are minor, and majororily is used as negotiation tatics with other governments across the world, conssidering that a couple have folded, others are in fear... It seems to be working.
It is not we do not understand tariffs, it is we trust Trump's actions.
You go one keep believing that, many americans have applied for the jobs but the companies, restuarants and such employed the illegal immigrants because they will be cheaper and can give no job protections. So yeah it means you are in support of business exploiting illegal immigrants, almost to the point of slavery.
I mean you want cheap labour this is a step above slavery, plus I would argue the jobs the americans do not want have the illegals do long hours and treated poorly, I mean for a while some slaves were treated well with a house and being well fed and not forced to 60 hours per week with some of the hours unpaid.
So yeah lets not put to a stop to modern slavery, lets not punsih business that relies on it, some have openly admit their businesses will close down, of course they are new york businesses. Also use a brain cell to figure out why Americans want the jobs and not gettihng them.
Well considering you think the trans ban is for single gender only clearly youoinly have single functintioning brain cell, better take care of your tds before the last brain cell is gone since you are not operating on any form of logic at the moment.
Well that's the worst, so people that actually harassed others at an abortion clinic get pardoned? That's just stupid and demonstrates the closed mind of some people. I'm all for women having abortions, and if you don't like it deal with it. At the end of the day the woman's body is her own and she should be able to decide wether to have or not an abortion. I see it as an irresponsible thing to demand a woman to have a baby that might either not get the good life it needs or might even die while giving birth. What about rape victims?
It gets me angry, like why can't they just let the women decide?
What harrasment, old woman sitting out in front not in anyway silently praying. I guess I will silently pray for you then since that is harrasment now.
I don't see that confrontation as a gotcha, so much as a point to be made. I'm not a biologist. You're not a biologist. Trump's not a biologist. Biden's not a biologist.
Why, then, should any of us have the power to make decisions and assumptions based off of our own inexperience? Why not leave biology to the biologists?
The most outstanding example of this is, of course, Trump's recent redefinition of gender identity that not only invalidates everything outside the binary sexes (which won't make the gender spectrum cease to exist or prevent the idea of gender ideology in the future), but was so vague and baseless that it could have been reasonably interpreted by an average citizen to designate all Americans as either female or non-binary, depending on how you interpret the language.
And, yeah. Of course some people will point and laugh and do nothing more than mock the pro-life crowd for what amounted to a calculated rugpull. I'm not laughing. I'm concerned, if anything.
Binary sexes so you aren't using science and made up terms, plus you admit there is a gender ideology, based on not science but language. Take yhour manipulation of language and lies. Plus Trump is not redifining, did you forget people like you redifined it in the first place, a concecpet that never exist in thousands of years, so he turned it back to normal logic that people have been following for thousands of years and not something being forced on to them, with new words and terms being forced on them more and more.
Take you 1984 manipulations away, oh wait you wont, at least Trump did... Yahoo!
So you understand he's going to make everything cost more, then? You can indeed always trust Trump to do what's best for the 1% and what's worst for the 99%.
So you understand he's going to make everything cost more, then? You can indeed always trust Trump to do what's best for the 1% and what's worst for the 99%.
They believed that tariffs would be a tax on the foreign countries. Why? Because Trump said so. Basic education get thrown out the window with cult followers.
I don't think that. Trump thinks that, and you trust him with unwavering fervor.
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Now Trump recently removed Fauci's security detail and exclaimed that he takes no responsibility should harm come to him. Trump let out a bunch of psychopaths, and put a target on someone he doesn't like. Safer and brighter future my ass. Trump is going all mobster on this country. I'd say not even Budde is safe.
I laughed out loud reading this.
The law applies to the present state, not hypothetical what-ifs. Does cooking a chicken egg mean you're killing a full-grown chicken? Why not? If the egg became a chicken in the future, then what's the difference? Same thing. Maybe good philosophical banter, but far from any grounds to base a concrete law on.
The scientific results aren't comfy, nor are they new. They are, however, scientific, which can't be said for virtually any pro-life arguments. Terminating a clump of cells that are mere days old does not equate to the murder of a developed human life. And if you believe otherwise, I would tend to think that your understanding of human biology is fundamentally flawed, and I would say that someone with that misguided of a basic, scientifically backed principle is in no position to take away rights from a historically oppressed group of people.
are you serious?
So what science says in your opinion about fertilized egg. As far I know It is a new life form with unique genom, which is not anymore part of mother body. It Is an depended seperated human life, enitity not existing on their own due to biological-chemical reactions, but what causes them.
Unfortunately, science at this stage of causality does not deal with it, but ethics, moral law, natural law, philosophy and finally religion does. You're wrong, your political view is that not scientific but supported by established narration. Comfy ground of modern "science" feels like postmodernism to me. It's like do what you want, find any excuse to deny most obvious things, even if even if it smells of sulfur, which I totally don't understand.
It is also not about taking away rights of opressed group, but above all about giving people the will and support to ensure that every human contact is with the intention of planning children, or even if is result of other accidents.
Favored university authorities unfortunately have a say in what should be scientific with no moral resposibility.
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