Misc So, is the left wing good or not?

[Xdqwerty]

Since I the left wing is in favor of people's rights it should be good, but most if not all countries that have left wing governments (such as most of latin america) are in a poor state while countries with right wing governments are in a better state in comparison despite the fact that people hate the right wing and im now confused.

 

[LoggerMan]

Australia is very left wing and life is good here. Live is easy compared to the U.S. or India or whatever else.

 

[gnmmarechal]

It's worth keeping in mind that "left" and "right" are not universal constants, and I believe many would argue that in the US specifically, both major parties would be part of "the right" by their standards.

 

[Veho]

Since I the left wing is in favor of people's rights it should be good, but most if not all countries that have left wing governments (such as most of latin america) are in a poor state while countries with right wing governments are in a better state in comparison despite the fact that people hate the right wing and im now confused.

Conversely, most of Europe has left-wing governments and policies, and the Middle East and Russia have right-wing governments and policies, and who would you say is in a better state?
And lumping the entire multidimensional spectrum of possible social policies, human rights policies, economic and market policies and so on into "right wing" and "left wing" is silly.

 

[Purple_Shyguy]

The left are the bad guys.

 

[Jayinem]

The left are the bad guys.

All politicians are the enemy of the people. They sellout and take bribes to help themselves which helps the bribers, and leaves the people out in the cold. We need a revolution.

We all play the left vs. right game while the politicians, together, play us.

 

[Xzi]

The question is easier to answer if you frame it broadly as freedom versus authoritarianism. The modern right is all about allowing corporations and oligarchs to lead the rest of us blindly into a climate/humanitarian apocalypse. In the sense that the modern left is the counter-culture and much more willing to acknowledge scientific/objective reality, it is obviously a force for good in contrast to the right.

On an individual level, people are complex and can often hold self-contradictory or hypocritical views from issue to issue.

 

[Hanafuda]

Since I the left wing is in favor of people's rights

Yes, the Marxist regimes of the 20th Century are certainly excellent examples of The State defending the peoples' rights.

 

[spinal_cord]

The right call the left communists and talk like helping people out is a bad thing. The left call the right facists and act like trying to make some money is a bad thing. Both are correct and both don't like it. Also both think that the other side is completely wrong about everything ever.

 

[Landysodds]

Australia is very left wing and life is good here. Live is easy compared to the U.S. or India or whatever else.

I'm proud to live in Australia. Now more so than ever.
We're pretty apathetic towards our politicians.
We don't worship our politicians, dress up like them, or buy their merch etc..
We've had decent medicare for all for a very long time.

Decades ago it was even our right wing leader who brought in major gun control after a mass shooting, rather than thoughts and prayers.

It's not a perfect country, and no country is perfect, but when we see what goes on in the US daily, the majority of us are thinking WTF is wrong with these people?

 

[Smoker1]

Both sides here in the US are Corrupt, and do what they want for themselves and those like them (Wealthy)

I am neither Left, or Right, but I am in the middle....but lean to the Right. Both sides have good things about them, but both have negative things as well.
Examples: Abortion should be for those who actually need it (forced upon by someone or Family Member, Pregnancy would threaten the Life of Child and-or Mother, or if you are not able to afford having a Child-Hospital Bills), not just because. Should not push or force Religion onto People. But People should be able to exercise their 2A Right (those who disagree, please answer this 1 Question: WHY did they put it in place to begin with???? )

 

[Xzi]

The right call the left communists and talk like helping people out is a bad thing. The left call the right facists and act like trying to make some money is a bad thing. Both are correct and both don't like it. Also both think that the other side is completely wrong about everything ever.

Problem is, you'd have trouble finding any context in which retaining a sense of empathy/humanity could objectively be called a bad thing. If you're making money off war/slavery/death, that is objectively a bad thing. Especially if we're talking about people who already have more money than they could spend in a thousand lifetimes.

 

[NewGBAXL]

in America, I think the left-wing has more benefit locally, closer to the people, while nationally, I lean more right-wing, with stuff like economics.

 

[Xdqwerty]

in America, I think the left-wing has more benefit locally, closer to the people, while nationally, I lean more right-wing, with stuff like economics.

Good point

 

[Captain-Z]

In the west both "the left" and "the right" support human rights, anything that claims otherwise is just propaganda.

It's also important to remember while the western cultural divided is framed as "left vs right", from a global geopolitical standpoint "left" and "right" mean something very different. Most western political parties advocate for left wing liberalism. Yes, including the Republican party, yes even Trump.

Also, whether or not a country is prosperous is not tied to their place on the political spectrum. For example, Russia opposes liberalism despite have a high stand of living.

 

[Xzi]

In the west both "the left" and "the right" support human rights, anything that claims otherwise is just propaganda.

One can point to any number of examples which demonstrate otherwise, most prominent during the Trump administration being concentration camps for migrant children and the right's unwavering support of police following George Floyd's murder. They certainly support human rights for white Christians in particular, but beyond that their record speaks to the opposite.

It's also important to remember while the western cultural divided is framed as "left vs right", from a global geopolitical standpoint "left" and "right" mean something very different. Most western political parties advocate for left wing liberalism. Yes, including the Republican party, yes even Trump.

You're talking about neoliberalism, which is a right-wing ideology. By global standards, the US does not have a leftist party, as both parties fully embrace the capitalist mindset. Bernie Sanders is the closest any American politician comes to being a leftist, and he was rejected by the establishment twice precisely because he rubs Democrats' corporate/big pharma donors the wrong way.

 

[Captain-Z]

One can point to any number of examples which demonstrate otherwise, most prominent during the Trump administration being concentration camps for migrant children and the right's unwavering support of police following George Floyd's murder. They certainly support human rights for white Christians in particular, but beyond that their record speaks to the opposite.


You're talking about neoliberalism, which is a right-wing ideology. By global standards, the US does not have a leftist party, as both parties fully embrace the capitalist mindset. Bernie Sanders is the closest any American politician comes to being a leftist, and he was rejected by the establishment twice precisely because he rubs Democrats' corporate/big pharma donors the wrong way.

No, Trump never put anyone in "consecration camps". Nor does supporting the police mean people support racism or suppressing peoples rights. Again, propaganda.

And, no I'm talking about liberalism. Look it up. It has nothing to do with capitalism either.

 

[Xzi]

No, Trump never put anyone in "consecration camps".

They were camps where people were concentrated and given less than the bare minimum provisions necessary for survival, calling them by a different name doesn't change their malicious purpose. Many children were never reunited with their parents. Multiple clear violations of international human rights there, whether you want to admit it or not.

Nor does supporting the police mean people support racism or suppressing peoples rights.

Police states tend to be completely devoid of human rights, and there's no excuse for supporting cold-blooded murder.

And, no I'm talking about liberalism. Look it up. It has nothing to do with capitalism either.

Classical liberalism comes closest to aligning with some leftist ideology, but it also aligns closely with old-school right-wing libertarianism. Regardless, neither the modern Democratic nor Republican party fall under that tent.

 

[KingVamp]

The Nordic countries tend to be the happiest. Even here, despite the fact that some keep voting terrible people in, they still vote for left wing policies.

 

[DiscostewSM]

Examples: Abortion should be for those who actually need it (forced upon by someone or Family Member, Pregnancy would threaten the Life of Child and-or Mother, or if you are not able to afford having a Child-Hospital Bills), not just because. Should not push or force Religion onto People. But People should be able to exercise their 2A Right (those who disagree, please answer this 1 Question: WHY did they put it in place to begin with???? )

I do have an issue with the "just because" bit. To what extent does this cover? Irresponsible couples, whether adult or teenagers? Should the woman be forced to carry and delivery as punishment? Should the couple be forced to raise the child? The result I see of this in the end is that the child gets punished for existing, whether they live with irresponsible parents who didn't want them or get sent to an orphanage. What would be considered irresponsible anyways? Just having sex that results in a pregnancy? A responsible couple could take many avenues towards preventing a pregnancy, and still end up with one.

As far as gun rights are concerned, I believe people should be allowed to bear arms. But it seems there is the situation where every Tom, Dick, Harry and Tiny Tim can easily get access to them, including firearms that probably shouldn't be available to the general public.