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USA - Russia is mocking you for bringing home a junkie!

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If you want to dispute a matter in how I used the word "fact" specifically, that would be very welcomed.

I know we don't have complete information. I am concerning myself with available information.

If you have reason to believe that your country has stopped lying to you and is no longer a beacon of propaganda, I am open to hear why your "bias" is more reasonable.

I'd also be interested in hearing how your non-existing claims of "threats of national security" would rationalize keeping the soldier in Russian possession.

To me, it just looks like you are getting upset and are pivoting.

To a lot more people than just "me", it looks like the Biden administration chose affirmative action over confronting a greater scandal, like sending a spy into Russia.
Ok.. you use the word fact in place of "my bias". Also, this wasn't American propaganda, its russian propaganda. Theres literally no statement from the US that had been discussed in this thread. I'm not using bias. I'm looking objectively. A famous American was held in Russia, charges outrageous, and they brought her home. I didn't have to jump a bunch of hoops to make it racially motivated. Most of the logic behind youre guys' theory is non sequitur.

Who knows why they didn't take the other dude instead, maybe Russia just wouldn't let him go because he's a spy. Makes more sense to me. If you think its race you'd have to believe that there would have been a meeting "are we gonna save that spy guy that's been there forever too?" "Nah, he's too white". Really?
 

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Who said it was?

Drugg smuggling is a serious crime though, and swapping a junkie for an Arms Dealer is a poor deal.
You seem to keep banging on as if she was smuggling fuck tons of drugs. It was THC cartridges that were less than a gram. That’s not even a crime in most places and a small fine in other places. No one would consider that to be “drug smuggling” nor see someone with such a low amount as a “druggie.” You seem to really want to portray her as a greater threat compared to a dude who was described as “The Merchant of Death.”
 

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You seem to keep banging on as if she was smuggling fuck tons of drugs. It was THC cartridges that were less than a gram. That’s not even a crime in most places and a small fine in other places. No one would consider that to be “drug smuggling” nor see someone with such a low amount as a “druggie.” You seem to really want to portray her as a greater threat compared to a dude who was described as “The Merchant of Death.”
You can try and brush off her crimes as much as you want - but the facts are the facts.

She purposely concealed drugs and tried to smuggle those concealed drugs through another countries border so she could take those drugs while in that country. She's a convicted drug smuggler and as much as this grips your shit, it doesn't change anything. What you see as a misdemeanor in your country is not what another country sees. You seem to think that your countries laws should extend beyond its borders and your citizens shouln't be subject to the laws of another country, so did this junkie woman that was caught and she soon learned that was not the case.

You should learn to respect other countries, their customs and their laws and see the world from their point of view, because currently you don't seem to and maybe one day with that attitude you'll end up in trouble yourself.
 
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Ok.. you use the word fact in place of "my bias".

That's not being specific. That's generalized. I disagree with your analysis completely, so let's try with one example.

Also, this wasn't American propaganda, its russian propaganda.

I was referring to your esteem in that America had a good reason to not choose the "spy" despite the lack of provision of one.

I'm not using bias. I'm looking objectively.

You literally invented reasoning on behalf of the US government, but you are not an acting official. I would say that you are deluded in your capacity.

I didn't have to jump a bunch of hoops to make it racially motivated. Most of the logic behind youre guys' theory is non sequitur.

Affirmative action appears to be the easiest conclusion without escalating the scenario to higher degrees of scandal. If you think you can rationalize the trade for one person over the other, without making excuses on behalf of the US Government, I'm listening.

Who knows why they didn't take the other dude instead, maybe Russia just wouldn't let him go because he's a spy.

This needs clarity. Are you introducing the argument that the US didn't have the option offered to them?

If you think its race you'd have to believe that there would have been a meeting "are we gonna save that spy guy that's been there forever too?" "Nah, he's too white". Really?

The only application of race would be in the act of affirmative action. In such case, it wouldn't be a matter of spy guy being too white. It'd be a matter of WNBA all-star being more of a minority.
 

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Ok.. you use the word fact in place of "my bias". Also, this wasn't American propaganda, its russian propaganda. Theres literally no statement from the US that had been discussed in this thread. I'm not using bias. I'm looking objectively. A famous American was held in Russia, charges outrageous, and they brought her home. I didn't have to jump a bunch of hoops to make it racially motivated. Most of the logic behind youre guys' theory is non sequitur.

Who knows why they didn't take the other dude instead, maybe Russia just wouldn't let him go because he's a spy. Makes more sense to me. If you think its race you'd have to believe that there would have been a meeting "are we gonna save that spy guy that's been there forever too?" "Nah, he's too white". Really?
You’ve been deeply involved in this thread and I am glad to see that. Has mrdude at any point elaborated on why it was important to bring up their races and sexualities? I still fail to see why it was relevant for those matters to be brought up, outside the propaganda purposes
 

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You’ve been deeply involved in this thread and I am glad to see that. Has mrdude at any point elaborated on why it was important to bring up their races and sexualities? I still fail to see why it was relevant for those matters to be brought up, outside the propaganda purposes
No need to ask others as I've already answered this very thing, you should re-read the thread as this point has already been brought up and answered, but I guess you're too lazy too read back a few pages.
 

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It's never about what is right or wrong, it's about good PR for your voting base.

We have long left behind the idea of electing who is 'best' for the country, it's now all about voting for your 'team' as to not have your 'team' lose, and the politicians know this; hell, the politicians engineered this. Do you really think that almost half of the voting base in GA actually believed that Herschel Walker would be a great, intelligent and wise choice to represent their state? There's no way, it had to be about trying to make sure your team wins and the party knows the right buttons to push on the voters. It's all propaganda no matter how you look at it and the USA is no different. Our oligarchs are called 'Innovative Business Leaders', rather than the more negative term of 'oligarch'; same circus, different monkey, but they are the ones that really run the country, not 'The People'.

Dividing people into groups that can't get along - Check

Allowing oligarchs to make all of the laws and reap all of the benefits while raping the peasants for everything they have and having the balls to say "well, I'm only doing what's legal" - Check

Creating a separate common and ominous enemy for each of the above listed groups as to bind the 'team' dynamic even more firmly - Check

We're well on our way to having authoritarian rule here, hopefully it's after my time.
 
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No need to ask others as I've already answered this very thing, you should re-read the thread as this point has already been brought up and answered, but I guess you're too lazy too read back a few pages.
So why did you feel the need to bring them up? I am not going through 14 pages.
You can try and brush off her crimes as much as you want - but the facts are the facts.

She purposely concealed drugs and tried to smuggle those concealed drugs through another countries border so she could take those drugs while in that country. She's a convicted drug smuggler and as much as this grips your shit, it doesn't change anything. What you see as a misdemeanor in your country is not what another country sees. You seem to think that your countries laws should extend beyond its borders and your citizens shouln't be subject to the laws of another country, so did this junkie woman that was caught and she soon learned that was not the case.

You should learn to respect other countries, their customs and their laws and see the world from their point of view, because currently you don't seem to and maybe one day with that attitude you'll end up in trouble yourself.
So less than a gram of weed is suddenly a major offense? That’s a gross overreaction to an offense that barely warrants a fine in some places.
 

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