Reggie Fils-Aimé explains how Nintendo will not repeat Wii U mistakes for the NX

Xzi · Aug 28, 2016

Foxi4 said:
The Tegra X1 has a TDP of 15W, it's on the verge of necessitating active cooling when going full blast and X2 is unlikely to be any different as the X line is not made for portable applications, it's made for automotive and marine applications, not phones or tablets. Debating its use in a handheld is pointless because you can't feasibly use it in a handheld anyways.

I don't think it'd be a big deal to throw an active fan on some corner of the console, just have to design around it. The X1 is what powers Shield TV, a full-powered console the size of a portable. Also outputs video at 4K. Wouldn't be too shabby at all even if the NX uses X1 instead of X2.

Foxi4 · Aug 28, 2016

Xzi said:
I don't think it'd be a big deal to throw an active fan on some corner of the console, just have to design around it. The X1 is what powers Shield TV, a full-powered console the size of a portable. Also outputs video at 4K. Wouldn't be too shabby at all even if the NX uses X1 instead of X2.

The Shield TV, predictably, consumes 20W of power when gaming, that's not sustainable for a portable, which is why it's not a portable.

EDIT: As for the fan, you absolutely can add one, but a fan assembly adds a significant amount of thickness to the system. The Shield portable uses a fan, for instance. It's the power consumption that's a bigger worry here as the system needs to work for a significant amount of time when undocked to be truly considered portable.

TheDarkGreninja · Aug 28, 2016

Foxi4 said:
Something I forgot to mention initially which dawned upon me just now - I'll chalk it up to lack of sleep. The X2 most certainly does not "beat the PS4 and the Xbox One", even with the Pascal architecture in place. They announced the chip to be rated at 1.5 TFLOPS, but that's an FP16 (16-bit Floating Point) figure, the Xbox One's GPU is rated at 1.31 TFLOPS and the PS4 is rated at 1.84 TFLOPS, but those are both FP32 figures. If the X2 works anything like the X1, two FP16 ops equal one FP32 op, so the actual performance is half of the one declared, meaning 750GFLOPS, which is a little over a half of Xbox One's GPU and less than half of the PS4. I thought I should point that out since if you're expecting the same level of performance from an X2-powered machine, it's not going to happen. Just a little extra obfuscation on nvidia's part, they tend to do this sort of thing, which is why I don't trust any of their press releases until I see real-life benchmarks, not some score they came up with in a lab.

https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2016/08/22/parker-for-self-driving-cars/

Check Note [1], the cheeky buggers. If you're wondering why the whole Drive PX2 module reaches 8 TFLOPS, it's because it has four Pascal GPU's, two in the Tegra X2 chips and two separate GPU's in MXM packages on the back of the board. Gotta love the fine print.

Yeah i noticed that last night when fiance pointed it out to me. Also the PX is meant for automotive i believe so we wont ever see it anything else.

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Bladexdsl said:
it's still a handheld POSING as a console

Is that not a good thing?

GuyInDogSuit · Aug 28, 2016

NoSoul81 said:
You made a dumb ass post so I thought it was fitting to give you a dumb ass response. I appreciate the compliment calling it a smart ass response I thought it was a dumb ass response.

There was nothing dumbass about it, dumbass.

Bladexdsl · Aug 28, 2016

TheDarkGreninja said:
Is that not a good thing?

oh trust me it won't be

TotalInsanity4 · Aug 28, 2016

Bladexdsl said:
oh trust me it won't be

Why do you say that?

Bladexdsl · Aug 28, 2016

cos handhelds are a dying breed all the casuals have mobiles now

FrozenDragon150 · Aug 28, 2016

It's not like home consoles are selling any better than handhelds.

codezer0 · Aug 28, 2016

TheDarkGreninja said:
Is that not a good thing?

No, and I need only point in one direction why it won't be.

Look at all the Android/Linux microconsoles out there now. What do they all have? Tons of freemium and budget level schlock. Most people that ever buy one at most play angry birds or try to use YouTube and netflix on it, unaware that netflix arbitrarily blocks higher definition capability on "mobile devices" (even when they aren't), even when they have the ability to pull down a higher quality feed.

Do you really want your NX to have a library like that? Are you really prepared to having to pay for a full fledged console only to be swamped in 999 Candy Crush and whatever flavor of the month trending android/iOS game gets copied ad nauseum? There's like 10,000 variants on flappy bird, for fuck's sake.

Foxi4 · Aug 28, 2016

People who are giving the idea sh*t for being "a portable masquerading as a console" are silly. The future is in portables, not stationary systems - people want their media to follow them around, and the only evidence you need is the exodus of smartphones we've seen in the last couple of years. There *are* ways to make this happen without sacrificing horsepower when docked, ports like Thunderbolt offer enough throughput to allow for external GPU's with little to no loss of performance. You could conceivably design a system that runs the same software at low res and low detail when undocked and high res, high detail when docked. If anything, my only worry is the controller which seems like crap to me. They should ditch the idea of a detachable controller, create a low-key docking station and a separate set of wireless controllers for said station.

Onepunchbruh · Aug 28, 2016

I want NX to be like 3ds but graphics like ps4! Man it will be awesome if this happens!!

Foxi4 · Aug 28, 2016

Haider Raza said:
I want NX to be like 3ds but graphics like ps4! Man it will be awesome if this happens!!

Unfortunately that's impossible in portable mode, but if they used the absolute latest tech (which they won't for reasons discussed earlier), they can get about half-way there, which is good enough on a small screen.

pivix · Aug 28, 2016

Foxi4 said:
Unfortunately that's impossible in portable mode, but if they used the absolute latest tech (which they won't for reasons discussed earlier), they can get about half-way there, which is good enough on a small screen.

Also battery time will drop with good specs.

Foxi4 · Aug 28, 2016

pivix said:
Also battery time will drop with good specs.

That's what I meant - we spent the last couple of pages discussing the boring issues of thermal design, power consumption and battery sizes.

TheDarkGreninja · Aug 28, 2016

Foxi4 said:
People who are giving the idea sh*t for being "a portable masquerading as a console" are silly. The future is in portables, not stationary systems - people want their media to follow them around, and the only evidence you need is the exodus of smartphones we've seen in the last couple of years. There *are* ways to make this happen without sacrificing horsepower when docked, ports like Thunderbolt offer enough throughput to allow for external GPU's with little to no loss of performance. You could conceivably design a system that runs the same software at low res and low detail when undocked and high res, high detail when docked. If anything, my only worry is the controller which seems like crap to me. They should ditch the idea of a detachable controller, create a low-key docking station and a separate set of wireless controllers for said station.

I think there will be a home console aspect kinda like an Nvidia shield tv with a dock for the portable.
Edit: Might as well explain what i mean, so the home console will use exactly the same chip or 1 up vs the portable. It'll run exactly the same games and will be cheaper than the portable or the same price as it, the portable will have a dummy dock which is basically an output and charge, and when connecting to the home console acts as an egpu. This could mean 4k gaming at a much cheaper price (adding in the suplementary computing device as well as the fact the NX can help other NX's by the way of a reward service.)

vayanui8 · Aug 29, 2016

A system that offers power at home, and portability so I can take it on the go is pretty much the ideal system. I can see this being very successful in japan as well because they are very focused on portable technology. If rumors about the NX are true Nintendo has really outdone themselves, as long as they don't do that detachable controller idea. That said, I still have my doubts that they will advertise it well in the US. NoA have been very out of touch with alot of customers lately. Hopefully they advertise it better than the Wii U because its advertising was very poor.

TheDarkGreninja · Aug 29, 2016

vayanui8 said:
A system that offers power at home, and portability so I can take it on the go is pretty much the ideal system. I can see this being very successful in japan as well because they are very focused on portable technology. If rumors about the NX are true Nintendo has really outdone themselves, as long as they don't do that detachable controller idea. That said, I still have my doubts that they will advertise it well in the US. NoA have been very out of touch with alot of customers lately. Hopefully they advertise it better than the Wii U because its advertising was very poor.

The detachable controller is probably to make sure you dont destroy the thumbsticks when put in your pocket theyre probably not actually wireless.

Foxi4 · Aug 29, 2016

TheDarkGreninja said:
The detachable controller is probably to make sure you dont destroy the thumbsticks when put in your pocket theyre probably not actually wireless.

I know this mightily be a novel idea, but they could just make it a clamshell. Worrying about analog sticks when there's a huge 4-5 inch screen ready for the scratching is silly. Not that it matters, since the Vita and the PSP both had an exposed screen and sticks and they're perfectly fine, the whole detaching idea is stupid as the controller will not be as comfortable as a dedicated one. We also realize that it wouldn't be wired, we're aware of the concept of ports.

TheDarkGreninja · Aug 29, 2016

Foxi4 said:
I know this mightily be a novel idea, but they could just make it a clamshell. Worrying about analog sticks when there's a huge 4-5 inch screen ready for the scratching is silly. Not that it matters, since the Vita and the PSP both had an exposed screen and sticks and they're perfectly fine, the whole detaching idea is stupid as the controller will not be as comfortable as a dedicated one. We also realize that it wouldn't be wired, we're aware of the concept of ports.

A clamshell would be nice but the latest patent doesnt suggest it (also agrees with me on that theyre not wireless just modules.) Modular is really interesting as it means the portable can have different control schemes and set ups. Hopefully nintendo make something similar to a shield tv to go with this.
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Foxi4 · Aug 29, 2016

TheDarkGreninja said:
A clamshell would be nice but the latest patent doesnt suggest it (also agrees with me on that theyre not wireless just modules.) Modular is really interesting as it means the portable can have different control schemes and set ups. Hopefully nintendo make something similar to a shield tv to go with this.

Patents drawings are not representative of the final product, a few of Nintendo's controller patents just show an oval with buttons IIRC, so don't you worry about those. As for this whole discussion, it kinda reminds me of the rumour that the 3DS was supposed to be powered by a Tegra chip that was spread around immediately before the system's release. We're speculating like crazy and deep down we all want Nintendo to do something competently, but realistically chances are that they won't. I can't wait for all of this to be proven false when the Big N releases another piece of sh*t system... that we're all gonna rush out for and buy. The cycle continues...

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