Hacking Wii U: To wait or not to wait

[adamnewy]

What the deuce does that mean? You didn't have to read it you know. I was trying to make a genuine thread about the current situation, what to do, asking for suggestions and other feedback, was I wrong in doing so? Is asking the opinions of the community and for their suggestions criminal? You're more than welcome to not read my threads if you find them so irksome

my god, you are so defensive, no wonder people can't stand you

 

[the_randomizer]

my god, you are so defensive, no wonder people can't stand you

That was really uncalled for, man, the person I quoted elaborated what he meant and meant no malice in what was said, he was stating an observation and I inadvertently took it the wrong way, it has since been corrected and had you have read the posts, you would know that it happened.

To quote what he said:

Hey, there was no sarcasm or anything In what I just said, I was just in the same situation trying to decide whether to update or wait for homebrew, I went for the update so that I can play my free digital version of windwaker that I got with MK8.

He wasn't being mean, something I made a mistake of assuming, nor was I trying to be mean, but man,for you to use that "because you do this, no wonder people don't like you" is a pretty damned rude and snide thing to say.

 

[EMP Knightmare]

my god, you are so defensive, no wonder people can't stand you

Whoa whoa whoa whoa . . . . . WHOA! Please let us refrain from calling members outside of their character, if you were not involved in said discussion kindly keep name calling to yourself. By saying "no wonder people can't stand you" all you've contributed to the thread is nothing but negative input. Most try not to deal with flaming so please if you have nothing nice to say then say/post nothing

 

[SirByte]

But non-developers have basically no reason not to update.

I'm a non-developer, and to turn this around: I don't have a reason to update. So I'm still at 3.1.0 and everything that needs to work for me, works just fine. Once there's plenty of homebrew, I might update to 4.0.0. But since there isn't, I have no reason to.

As always, update only if you *do* have an urgent *need* to update. Until you have a way to dump your firmware (let's for historical reasons call it your "nand") and a way to restore it, there is no downgrade. Upgrade, on the other hand, is always readily available to any version you can find on a disc that has it.

A good reason for being on a lower firmware is that it *might* be easier/more reliable to launch the hack, and it *might* be possible a kernel exploit leaks for it (so you can for instance dump your "nand").

People that updated their PSPs to 1.51 from 1.50 learnt a lesson when a few weeks later Swaploit was released. People that updated their 3DS's to 5.0.0 are locked out. People that updated their PS3's are SOL even after years have passed (though there is an expensive (hardware) and risky (how to verify your dump) method available to downgrade).

Another thing you can contemplate is buying a Wii U used from Craigslist/Kijiji/Etc. (double-cheap if you can get one without the Pad) to keep on current firmware while your original is a backup unit (to protect your investment in games, a couple of hundred $ to well over a thousand).

 

[the_randomizer]

I'm a non-developer, and to turn this around: I don't have a reason to update. So I'm still at 3.1.0 and everything that needs to work for me, works just fine. Once there's plenty of homebrew, I might update to 4.0.0. But since there isn't, I have no reason to.

As always, update only if you *do* have an urgent *need* to update. Until you have a way to dump your firmware (let's for historical reasons call it your "nand") and a way to restore it, there is no downgrade. Upgrade, on the other hand, is always readily available to any version you can find on a disc that has it.

A good reason for being on a lower firmware is that it *might* be easier/more reliable to launch the hack, and it *might* be possible a kernel exploit leaks for it (so you can for instance dump your "nand").

People that updated their PSPs to 1.51 from 1.50 learnt a lesson when a few weeks later Swaploit was released. People that updated their 3DS's to 5.0.0 are locked out. People that updated their PS3's are SOL even after years have passed (though there is an expensive (hardware) and risky (how to verify your dump) method available to downgrade).

Another thing you can contemplate is buying a Wii U used from Craigslist/Kijiji/Etc. (double-cheap if you can get one without the Pad) to keep on current firmware while your original is a backup unit (to protect your investment in games, a couple of hundred $ to well over a thousand).

Please read through the thread, I have stated that I updated and that I was on the fence, but that with the webkit exploits, there wasn't much that could be done with them, and yes, I did use a program to dump the NAND on an earlier firmware (not sure what version, but it was a year or so ago), so I've a backup of that somewhere. That being said, something big has to be done, i.e kernel exploit, before much can be done in the way of hacking, and the Wii U hack scene is still very much in its infancy and has quite a ways to go; I've gotten the reassurances of many developers. Once I get the money, yes, I can buy an older Wii U, but now, I can't due to financial constraints.

 

[darkseekerliu]

the_ramdomizer you did the right thing... I will also update as soon as I have my wii u with me....
According to this, there will be new hole that will allow homebrew:

Once again, feel free to update. All of our work will make it to the newest firmwares, just because Nintendo doesn't know what we're up to until it's public.
As for progress, we still can't/don't want to say anything because:
A. Saying much of anything about our progress might clue Nintendo into what we're doing
B. Even if it didn't, regular updates on our status would just make us look like attention-seeking assholes. There's a bit of disconnection from the whole 'scene' scene, I think. Thankfully.

Stuff's been slow but steady with people starting school and whatnot, it's a matter of finding free time. That's had a kinda big impact on things.

Source: http://gbatemp.net/posts/5085223/

 

[the_randomizer]

the_ramdomizer you did the right thing... I will also update as soon I be my wii u.
According to this, there will be new hole that will allow homebrew:



Source: http://gbatemp.net/posts/5085223/

What the?? How did I miss THAT post!? I'll be damned.

 

[Reecey]

the randomizer. I'm glad you took the plunge to update because I was like 2 seconds away from updating to 5.1.2 but no I put it down instead and said no but now you have made me want to update badly as I really miss MK8 online and plus the new DLC coming up even e-shop to a point. It would not be so bad if someone would come forward with a thread and say no do not update something is coming! but no nothing at all so yes I'm taking the plunge tonight as well also the only other thing that I was unsure about not updating was I don't think the new Wiikeyu works on the latest FW?. I'm not sure but I think I read over max somewhere that it uses the exploit to run it.

 

[ndstuff]

Disclaimer: I await good N64 and PS1 emulators, menu spoofing, region lock removal, that's it. I do NOT want to use Wii U backups and therefore don't care about ODE/ODDE devices.

If you don't care about backups then there's no reason to wait. There are far better n64 or ps1 emulators for x86 or arm already and region lock doesn't seem to be an issue with wii u anyway.

 

[the_randomizer]

the randomizer. I'm glad you took the plunge to update because I was like 2 seconds away from updating to 5.1.2 but no I put it down instead and said no but now you have made me want to update badly as I really miss MK8 online and plus the new DLC coming up even e-shop to a point. It would not be so bad if someone would come forward with a thread and say no do not update something is coming! but no nothing at all so yes I'm taking the plunge tonight as well also the only other thing that I was unsure about not updating was I don't think the new Wiikeyu works on the latest FW?. I'm not sure but I think I read over max somewhere that it uses the exploit to run it.

Not sure about the ODE to be honest, I'm not waiting for that, but something along the lines of a softmod, which is all but inevitable at this point, not entirely sure what'll happen, but either way, this is just the beginning, and a myriad of awesome homebrew apps and the like will head towards the Wii U. To be honest, I haven't been following the ODE scene as much

If you don't care about backups then there's no reason to wait. There are far better n64 or ps1 emulators for x86 or arm already and region lock doesn't seem to be an issue with wii u anyway.

Already updated yesterday, there are better emulators on PC, true, but something about playing emulators on a TV with an Snes-like controller feels better to me.

 

[OncleJulien]

Okay, so I'm at a stalemate, a standstill if you will, on what I should truly do given the circumstance the women of the world are in. So what we know so far is that there are some girls who like me, who are a 6 or 7 and below, with the way I hold myself and with the way I act as of right now. In order for 7+ to work, I’ll either need to improve upon myself, become more attractive, or handsome if you will, as there are undoubtedly more women who may find me desirable, but who knows if and when I can accomplish that in and of itself, it may be soon, a long time, or never. This leads me to the meat of the topic, the subject, the motif, the libretto, do I update myself or do I enjoy the women who are currently attracted to me?

With the advent of the recent hombre hairstyles, and the microscopic short shorts coming up later this year for the more attractive teens, twenty-somethings and milfs, not to mention the new mall they just opened, which will likely contain attractive females from outside my general area, it begs the question, is it worth waiting? Not to mention I've been approached by some friends of mine and they have inquired as why I haven't been dating the girls who already like me, which I admit, I find to be heart-wrenching. Why? Because by my holding out on updating myself and getting more attractive women, they think I'm ignoring them when that's not my intent at all, I simply cannot explain why I'm waiting without telling them why only to have them call me out for wanting to overachieve in the bedroom.

It doesn't help me any that the skill with which I speak to women is horrendously bad and super cheesy (I'll spare the details for now), so online companionship isn't that stable for me on myfreecams anyways. On the other hand, there is also the Tinder method of meeting women and the eventuality of finding ‘the one’ that way as well. I guess what I'm trying to figure out is, do I wait for some miracle by which I can trick chicks into thinking I’m more than I am, and have access to irl and online women and not disappoint friends who have certain expectations, or, do I simply content myself with the way I am now, and date the women I can date now, and have false hope of seeing if any 8 or 9 have actual interest in the me I am today? At this point, I don't even know what I want to do anymore. I bet anything that no 10 will be into me as I am for some lame reason, such is the nature of the games today’s women play.

Disclaimer: I currently use good dating sims and POV emulators, personality spoofing, inhibition removal, that's it. I do NOT want to use escorts and therefore don't care about temporary paid personal companionship.

the moral of the story : dont let tomorrow's problems prevent you from enjoying the wiiu you have today...

 

[the_randomizer]

Okay, so I'm at a stalemate, a standstill if you will, on what I should truly do given the circumstance the women of the world are in. So what we know so far is that there are some girls who like me, who are a 6 or 7 and below, with the way I hold myself and with the way I act as of right now. In order for 7+ to work, I’ll either need to improve upon myself, become more attractive, or handsome if you will, as there are undoubtedly more women who may find me desirable, but who knows if and when I can accomplish that in and of itself, it may be soon, a long time, or never. This leads me to the meat of the topic, the subject, the motif, the libretto, do I update myself or do I enjoy the women who are currently attracted to me?

With the advent of the recent hombre hairstyles, and the microscopic short shorts coming up later this year for the more attractive teens, twenty-somethings and milfs, not to mention the new mall they just opened, which will likely contain attractive females from outside my general area, it begs the question, is it worth waiting? Not to mention I've been approached by some friends of mine and they have inquired as why I haven't been dating the girls who already like me, which I admit, I find to be heart-wrenching. Why? Because by my holding out on updating myself and getting more attractive women, they think I'm ignoring them when that's not my intent at all, I simply cannot explain why I'm waiting without telling them why only to have them call me out for wanting to overachieve in the bedroom.

It doesn't help me any that the skill with which I speak to women is horrendously bad and super cheesy (I'll spare the details for now), so online companionship isn't that stable for me on myfreecams anyways. On the other hand, there is also the Tinder method of meeting women and the eventuality of finding ‘the one’ that way as well. I guess what I'm trying to figure out is, do I wait for some miracle by which I can trick chicks into thinking I’m more than I am, and have access to irl and online women and not disappoint friends who have certain expectations, or, do I simply content myself with the way I am now, and date the women I can date now, and have false hope of seeing if any 8 or 9 have actual interest in the me I am today? At this point, I don't even know what I want to do anymore. I bet anything that no 10 will be into me as I am for some lame reason, such is the nature of the games today’s women play.

Disclaimer: I currently use good dating sims and POV emulators, personality spoofing, inhibition removal, that's it. I do NOT want to use escorts and therefore don't care about temporary paid personal companionship.

the moral of the story : dont let tomorrow's problems prevent you from enjoying the wiiu you have today...

Hey, it's fine, I finally came to the conclusion that in the long run, updating it to 5.1.2 is worth it, and that hacks and exploits are being worked on for the Wii U was we speak. As always, I let my own damned pusillanimity get in the way, hence my desire to create this thread and sure enough, many people have put in their input, opinions, suggestions, etc, which I'm very grateful for. In the long run, there was really nothing for me to be overly worried about, it's good to get validation from other people. That being said, I have no idea what you were talking about, well, that is, except that last bit lol. Nevertheless, I'm not going to let tomorrow's problems prevent me from enjoying the console, with the advent of inevitable soft mods. The fact that a decent no. of people participated in this discussion also says something, or rather, tells me that perhaps this thread can be useful for many other users who are in the same boat as I was, and help them make a decision for themselves, I don't know.

I honestly had no idea this thread would, how do I put it, get as much feedback as it has, my more "serious" threads in the past never quite got these kinds of discussions that went so well, and for that, I'm grateful

 

[zerowalker]

Not sure about the ODE to be honest, I'm not waiting for that, but something along the lines of a softmod, which is all but inevitable at this point, not entirely sure what'll happen, but either way, this is just the beginning, and a myriad of awesome homebrew apps and the like will head towards the Wii U. To be honest, I haven't been following the ODE scene as much




Already updated yesterday, there are better emulators on PC, true, but something about playing emulators on a TV with an Snes-like controller feels better to me.

PC -> TV as Monitor + Snes controller = Win;P

 

[FPSRussi4]

I hope it works out the_randomizer! Personally I'm not going to update until I see an exploit, not just a promise of one. I don't want to take the risk and end up with the PS3 situation.

 

[the_randomizer]

PC -> TV as Monitor + Snes controller = Win;P

Meh, I do both, I like using the emulators made for Wii, such as RetroArch

 

[zerowalker]

Well can't deny the feeling for it.
I did that A LOT during the Xbox time, man that was good time, and a big old CRT TV!

 

[the_randomizer]

Well can't deny the feeling for it.
I did that A LOT during the Xbox time, man that was good time, and a big old CRT TV!

Good times indeed, I just feel more nostalgic when playing Snes9x Next on the Wii on a TV, and the emulator's pretty damned accurate too

 

[zerowalker]

Good times indeed, I just feel more nostalgic when playing Snes9x Next on the Wii on a TV, and the emulator's pretty damned accurate too

Ah Nostalgia, one of the best feelings there is when you think about the gaming evolution, if you could just turn back time and re-experience the first time you played those old games,
i would do anything for that.

Today nothing is the same, and you never experience the same shocking sense compared to when you played Ocarina of Time on N64, or something similar,
Now we just get games all over the place, and 1% of them are good

But i am thankful that Nintendo still go their own race, and luckily isn't that affected in the "Console Race" or "Make X Games Per Year". Games is what you make them, not what they look like

Really need to get a Wii U, waiting for a damn Limited Edition, and with my luck i can see it will come with a firmware that's un-hackable -_-.

 

[the_randomizer]

Ah Nostalgia, one of the best feelings there is when you think about the gaming evolution, if you could just turn back time and re-experience the first time you played those old games,
i would do anything for that.

Today nothing is the same, and you never experience the same shocking sense compared to when you played Ocarina of Time on N64, or something similar,
Now we just get games all over the place, and 1% of them are good

But i am thankful that Nintendo still go their own race, and luckily isn't that affected in the "Console Race" or "Make X Games Per Year". Games is what you make them, not what they look like

Really need to get a Wii U, waiting for a damn Limited Edition, and with my luck i can see it will come with a firmware that's un-hackable -_-.

Well, there is hope and many developers have reassured us that it's fine to be on 5.1.2 with the Wii U as holding off doesn't really do much good at the moment, the webkit exploit is a good starting point, but that's it, we need a full-blown kernel exploit if we want anything good on the system hacking-wise That being said, it's just a matter of waiting it out and I hope one of these days, like Brawl, the next SSB can be modded with character hacks, heh.

 

[zerowalker]

Well, there is hope and many developers have reassured us that it's fine to be on 5.1.2 with the Wii U as holding off doesn't really do much good at the moment, the webkit exploit is a good starting point, but that's it, we need a full-blown kernel exploit if we want anything good on the system hacking-wise That being said, it's just a matter of waiting it out and I hope one of these days, like Brawl, the next SSB can be modded with character hacks, heh.

I hope it happens. But i do also hope Online is a possibility as i want that, so if spoofing etc works it would be great. But it seems i shouldn't anticipate that to much.

And , SSB + Hacks?
No no!

You play normal, "legal" characters, items etc, honest gameplay;P!
But love those games, never a disappointment.