Zombie thread, RAAAGH

[vingt-2]

I feel that they probably wont deliver an N3DS exploit and it kinda was a dick move to get everyone's expectations so why. Well, they do sell a way to pirate games after all. Shady practices are to be expected.

 

[shinyquagsire23]

I feel that they probably wont deliver an N3DS exploit and it kinda was a dick move to get everyone's expectations so why. Well, they do sell a way to pirate games after all. Shady practices are to be expected.

Dude, they have a working exploit to get into the ARM11 kernel and ARM9 kernel, that's all done, nothing to find. All they need is a proper entrypoint really and they are good to go. The Mii Maker one was found to cause issues with games which had Miis, so they are either working on fixing that or getting another one of their entrypoints ready. Heck, they could just use Cubic Ninja/ninjhax if they really wanted to, and all the stuff for that is open as well. My guess is it's just like SonyUSA said and they are waiting to get/are working with the USA 3DS to get that all settled and packaged up so they can release all at once.

 

[kheldar]

Why so? Maybe it's in their best interest to release the package as a whole rather than them receiving hundreds of emails on a daily basis that someone had bricked their US console because they tried to run the exploit even though it's not supported. It would be way worse than it is now IMO.

SonyUSA said the same thing but I totally disagree. They don't care about e-mails. In my opinion, it's in their best interest to release it before the US launch so they can smooth things over. They released a beta update and people still bricked their consoles trying to downgrade even though they said I quote from them here :

We want to caution users using the downgrade feature: it is a dangerous operation as it will write to sysnand and if something goes wrong it may brick your 3DS.
We currently recommend that ONLY USERS WITH A NAND MOD try this, and report back any issues.

It's not their responsibility if they warn people.

I feel that they probably wont deliver an N3DS exploit and it kinda was a dick move to get everyone's expectations so why. Well, they do sell a way to pirate games after all. Shady practices are to be expected.

That'd destroy their reputation. Let's hope it doesn't come to that.

 

[guitarheroknight]

I feel that they probably wont deliver an N3DS exploit and it kinda was a dick move to get everyone's expectations so why. Well, they do sell a way to pirate games after all. Shady practices are to be expected.

I think you got the wrong card in mind if you know what I mean There was the same exact discussion over a million of times now. Is it possible? Sure why not. But why would they do such a thing when they have a really good thing going for themselves, nobody would ever trust them, I know I wouldnt. Also, the exploit is confirmed to be real - its just a matter of time. If the rumors are to be trusted theyre only waiting for the NTSC consoles to get released.

 

[Thomas12345]

Dude, they have a working exploit to get into the ARM11 kernel and ARM9 kernel, that's all done, nothing to find. All they need is a proper entrypoint really and they are good to go. The Mii Maker one was found to cause issues with games which had Miis, so they are either working on fixing that or getting another one of their entrypoints ready. Heck, they could just use Cubic Ninja/ninjhax if they really wanted to, and all the stuff for that is open as well. My guess is it's just like SonyUSA said and they are waiting to get/are working with the USA 3DS to get that all settled and packaged up so they can release all at once.

If GW is gonna wait for New3DS to come out world wide, then they should wait for the New3DS to be released in china, TWN, HK and korea regions too.

 

[vingt-2]

I think you got the wrong card in mind if you know what I mean There was the same exact discussion over a million of times now. Is it possible? Sure why not. But why would they do such a thing when they have a really good thing going for themselves, nobody would ever trust them, I know I wouldnt. Also, the exploit is confirmed to be real - its just a matter of time. If the rumors are to be trusted theyre only waiting for the NTSC consoles to get released.

Yeah It did come off as a pretty bold accusation. Just saying it wouldn't be utterly surprising. I also feel like the lack of update on why it's taking that long is just unnecessarily killing the hype and it really doesn't make sense for them to keep this on.

 

[Xzi]

I feel that they probably wont deliver an N3DS exploit and it kinda was a dick move to get everyone's expectations so why. Well, they do sell a way to pirate games after all. Shady practices are to be expected.

If you can find one example of GW not coming through when they said they would, you might have a leg to stand on. Right now, you're legless. Poor crippled man.

 

[Miles54321]

Middle of February i'm sure they'll come out with something, they have videos of it working and they got to show the people that exploit

 

[guitarheroknight]

Yeah It did come off as a pretty bold accusation. Just saying it wouldn't be utterly surprising. I also feel like the lack of update one why it's taking that long is just unnecessarily killing the hype and it really doesn't make sense for them to keep this on.

Well you have to look at the facts first and think out of the box. So they are constantly updating the card on a regular basis with free new features, they even made a new exploit and a downgrade feature which blew pretty much everyones mind and so on, and they decide to screw everyone over and ruin their reputation when they have a great deal going on. That just doesnt add up, plus as I said the exploit is very real. The only question is when will it be released.

SonyUSA said the same thing but I totally disagree. They don't care about e-mails. In my opinion, it's in their best interest to release it before the US launch so they can smooth things over. They don't care about e-mails. They released a beta update and people still bricked their consoles trying to downgrade even though they said I quote from them here :



It's not their responsibility if they warn people.




That'd destroy their reputation. Let's hope it doesn't come to that.

True, but lets say youre a noob whos absolutely new to the 3DS card scene and you want to buy one of the two cards. On one hand you have a card which is completely safe and doesnt brick anything and on the other hand you have the bricking machine callled Gateway. What would you rather choose? This is why they arent allowed to have bad rep. It hurts them and the sales. Better safe than sorry

 

[Deleted-355425]

the wait will be worth it im sure, patience is a virtue

 

[shinyquagsire23]

Well you have to look at the facts first and think out of the box. So they are constantly updating the card on a regular basis with free new features, they even made a new exploit and a downgrade feature which blew pretty much everyones mind and so on, and they decide to screw everyone over and ruin their reputation when they have a great deal going on. That just doesnt add up, plus as I said the exploit is very real. The only question is when will it be released.

Not to mention that if they have a working kernel exploit on all the current active models of N3DS, it would be silly not to get it to work with it. If their cart works on N3DS, they get a ton more money. Simple as that.

 

[vingt-2]

Yeah you guys make a lot of sense. Either way my JAP N3DS will get there in little less than 2 weeks so I can wait . Can't wait to play my US retail games on a regular size N3DS.

 

[Wowfunhappy]

The Mii Maker one was found to cause issues with games which had Miis, so they are either working on fixing that or getting another one of their entrypoints ready.

That... doesn't actually sound like such a big problem. Annoying yes, but not a deal-breaker by any stretch. Heck, in some ways, it's better than requiring an internet connection to work.

I own a total of 23 games (I'm don't pirate games, but I'm importing a N3DS from Europe and want my US games to work). Of those, exactly 4 use Miis: Pilotwings Resort, Smash Brothers, Mario Kart, and Animal Crossing.

Furthermore, Miis are only essential in one of those four games (Pilotwings). I don't know whether the exploit causes problems in as soon as the Mii-using game starts, or only once the game actually loads a Mii, but if it's the latter, it would only really effect Pilotwings.

If this is really what's going on, it seems to me like Gateway is making a big mistake by not releasing a beta with the Mii exploit.

 

[shinyquagsire23]

Yeah you guys make a lot of sense. Either way my JAP N3DS will get there in little less than 2 weeks so I can wait . Can't wait to play my US retail games on a regular size N3DS.

Ooh, fun. I got my AUS N3DS just a few days ago (the smaller one that isn't coming to America ;-, it's an excellent upgrade. It's size is right in the middle between the old 3DS and the old 3DS XL, and the cover plates are awesomesauce.

 

[kheldar]

True, but lets say youre a noob whos absolutely new to the 3DS card scene and you want to buy one of the two cards. On one hand you have a card which is completely safe and doesnt brick anything and on the other hand you have the bricking machine callled Gateway. What would you rather choose? This is why they arent allowed to have bad rep. It hurts them and the sales. Better safe than sorry

So you are saying me that in your opinion they are holding out just because some people are dumb enough to not read the instructions which would clearly state that the update is for not USA regions but EU/JAP. Yes there are people dumb enough to do that but I don't see why would they care? People are dumb enough to brick their system with anything. Some dude on this forum bricked his console using a different nand backup. It wouldn't be their fault and they can't be blamed for users fault. People badmouth them anyway. Hell you see this thread... You see what's going on. Do you think they look like they care? Because in the reality it doesn't really affect their rep if they deliver what's promised.

 

[guitarheroknight]

Even If what is promised is incomplete and broken? There is one thing they care about and its not you and me thats for sure, its the money. Im not saying this is the reason but it can be one of the reasons since its very logical. The fact is the dont need more shit on their plate than they already have.The fact is that a lot of people dont speak English properly and they dont fully understand it, therefore a lot of bad things could happen. I agree with you that it would be nice if they released the update for JAP/PAL consoles, but its always better safe than sorry - the money isnt going nowhere and neither are we.

 

[kheldar]

Even If what is promised is incomplete and broken? There is one thing they care about and its not you and me thats for sure, its the money. Im not saying this is the reason but it can be one of the reasons since its very logical. The fact is the dont need more shit on their plate than they already have.The fact is that a lot of people dont speak English properly and they dont fully understand it, therefore a lot of bad things could happen. I agree with you that it would be nice if they released the update for JAP/PAL consoles, but its always better safe than sorry - the money isnt going nowhere and neither are we.

Hell, I'm not saying that they should release prematurely. That's not my point here. My point is that it's not a valid reason to wait for the USA release if they are already done with the EU/JAP regions. Also we can't really say that 3.0 update is complete and completely stable. After all it's beta but they did release anyway. And the money is going somewhere. It's going towards SKY3DS each day they leave us in dark.

 

[guitarheroknight]

Hell, I'm not saying that they should release prematurely. That's not my point here. My point is that it's not a valid reason to wait for the USA release if they are already done with the EU/JAP regions. Also we can't really say that 3.0 update is complete and completely stable. After all it's beta but they did release anyway. And the money is going somewhere. It's going towards SKY3DS each day they leave us in dark.

You are still not thinking outside the box, try to place yourself in GWs position and think about what you would do in this position and how it would affect your sales and your rep. This is ofc if SonyUSA can be trusted, Im not trying to be rude im just saying...
Also as you may know Sky3DS is blockable but that doesnt mean it will get blocked even though its very likely it will, now when it gets blocked who do you think the people are going to turn to? A third green button Sky3ds or GW? You see, in the end the money wouldnt go anywhere but in their pockets because they offer premium free features and after almost 2 years still operate on the same card and thats something you dont see everyday.

 

[TheShadowRunner]

Again there is no freaking point waiting for other regions.

Imagine the worst case scenario: GW enables emunand on N3DS and Nintendo comes up with a 9.5 soon or simultaneously with the USA launch. (it's more likely than you might think..)

All the peeps who have patiently waited [FOR FUCKING MONTHS] would have to wait _again_ for 9.5 emunand support, if it's doable at all.

Why should the whole damn world be penalized for USA being late...

If GW released a beta now for JPN/AUS/EUR (those who got ambassador anyway); it would allow beta testing for the upcoming USA launch AND would allow peeps to quickly grab 9.4 for emunand while it's still available.

I guess there's another reason for GW to hold out on N3DS support, maybe it cannot be secured enough and clones would use their work, or something.
But IF GW is really waiting for USA launch just to save them the trouble of releasing multiple packages, it's really really too dumb of a choice.

 

[kheldar]

You are still not thinking outside the box, try to place yourself in GWs position and think about what you would do in this position and how it would affect your sales and your rep. This is ofc if SonyUSA can be trusted, Im not trying to be rude im just saying...
Also as you may know Sky3DS is blockable but that doesnt mean it will get blocked even though its very likely it will, now when it gets blocked who do you think the people are going to turn to? A third green button Sky3ds or GW? You see, in the end the money wouldnt go anywhere but in their pockets because they offer premium free features and after almost 2 years still operate on the same card and thats something you dont see everyday.

It's not about thinking outside of the box it's about what is logical here. As I said it wouldn't do more harm than this thread to their rep as long as they warn people. Are you a girl? You try empathize with them a lot, I'm just curious. Also, Sonyusa herself said that it was her assumption. she didn't hear it from the team. They do indeed offer better features that's why I'm still waiting for them but the average user wouldn't care about those features as long as it plays roms.