Just last week, on Tuesday, February 26th, 2024, news broke out about the Yuzu emulator team being sued by none other than Nintendo themselves, with Nintendo claiming that the emulator apparently allowed users to play certain games early (due to street dates being broken) and also allowing piracy of the current Nintendo Switch system.

Today, in a rather surprisingly quick manner, it seems like Tropic Haze LLC., the company behind the Yuzu team, has reached a settlement with Nintendo in regards to the lawsuit. According to a recent official document uploaded just a few minutes ago, Tropic Haze will pay up 2.4 million USD in favour to Nintendo, with both parties agreeing in the settlement and its amount.

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UPDATE: According to the proposed Final Judgement and Permanent Injunction document, Yuzu as a whole in its current form will cease to exist, meaning no further development and prohibition of any distribution of built or source code forms of it.

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Official document of the settlement
Final Judgement and Permanent Injunction

 

[realtimesave]

Alright, so what was your take supposed to be from this previous comment, then?

O GOD

 

[BigOnYa]

emulation is for playing pirated games, whether that is agreed on or not it's the truth.

Doesn't NIntendo Switch Online (NSO) use Emulation?

 

[realtimesave]

Doesn't NIntendo Switch Online (NSO) use Emulation?

I meant emulators not made by the 1st party obviously.

 

[Blue Sun]

O GOD

And like that, you've lost me

 

[Lumstar]

emulation is for playing pirated games, whether that is agreed on or not it's the truth.

Either way, an emulator author shouldn't deliberately condone or support piracy.

The ability to run the games is a natural result of emulating the system.

 

[HarveyHouston]

Dear God, this looks bad. Nintendo is methodically killing any chance of staying relevant to gamers with this kind of activity.

 

[realtimesave]

Either way, an emulator author shouldn't deliberately condone or support piracy.

The ability to run the games is a natural result of emulating the system.

a real smart move was to profiteer off of Yuzu using patreon lmfao. look what happened to Gary Bowser when he was profiteering off of circumvention hardware ;D

Post automatically merged: Mar 5, 2024

And like that, you've lost me

well I mean, I'm scared
or somethin'

 

[Noctosphere]

Yeah I've heard it's about the same thing, It's just that as I don't know too much about the story behind it so I'm not getting ahead of myself. Back then I just had to know because I would try to save my father from getting into trouble but now that I live by myself I just never hear of it

I did heard that a similar system was in place in Germany but MUCH worse when it comes to what you have to pay when you get caught. From what I can see what's illegal is « sharing » but it's basically just seeding torrent files. Hadopi could only detect you that way so it's really the same shit

I heard of a europe country (iirc, it's Spain, but I may be wrong on that), where you could pay an extra fee to ISPs that would allow you to "legally download pirated stuff". Money earned from said extra fees would be given to those who produce copyrighted content.

 

[ZeroFX]

Bunch of weak cucks! Being this weak makes me side against them even more (not siding with nintendo btw). At least its not ryujinx yet.

 

[CMDreamer]

Go fuck yourself Nintendo, seriously.

And now, I fear emulators of all sorts will be next...

Not ones of all sorts, only those for emulating current gens consoles' games. That was the biggest mistake the emulation community has ever made.

Even when we all know emulation is legal (with some gray scars here and there), the eager player out there can't wait before trying to emulate -and "indirectly" (yeah sure), pirate- current gen consoles' games, that's the real issue.

Yuzu and its devs are just collateral damage for Nintendo and someone had to pay for all the games many players have pirated all over the world.

Things will get worse when buying and playing legally bought second-hand Switch games will result on console bans, and guess who's fault will it be?
That will be the worst damage ever done to Switch players all over the world.

 

[xdarkmario]

Hope you guys actually stick by this and won't go drooling and going crazy over their next release.

NA im keeping this energy, plus i sold all my switch stuff a month ago anyway. for some time not i haven't really played any new nintendo games, just old nostalgic games.

 

[AngryCinnabon]

Not ones of all sorts, only those for emulating current gens consoles' games. That was the biggest mistake the emulation community has ever made.

Even when we all know emulation is legal (with some gray scars here and there), the eager player out there can't wait before trying to emulate -and "indirectly" (yeah sure), pirate- current gen consoles' games, that's the real issue.

Yuzu and its devs are just collateral damage for Nintendo and someone had to pay for all the games many players have pirated all over the world.

Things will get worse when buying and playing legally bought second-hand Switch games will result on console bans, and guess who's fault will it be?
That will be the worst damage ever done to Switch players all over the world.

Y'know, you're not the first person I've spoken to today that has that perspective. As much as i do personally disagree with it, it is interesting and I respect it...it's not supporting Nintendo but not the Emulator developers either...at least that's how I see it lol.

 

[LightBeam]

That was the biggest mistake the emulation community has ever made.

No, it's making a business with it.

I'm definitely sure that even if Yuzu was a fucking game & watch emulator, if it was making that much crowns, it would have suffered the same fate

 

[xdarkmario]

nintendo is just SALTY they cant do anything about palworld so they are bitching and moaning to attack anything else they can.

but damn, two brothers killed in one day " citra and yuzu" the only thing we can hope happen is the strengthening of ryujinx with a combined effort. but theirs one other issue is that ryujinx also has a patreon and that could make them a target.

 

[Delerious]

Sure, but there is no legal standing to sue for something simply because you don't like it. Developers who choose to fork Yuzu just need to keep their mouths shut and keep Nintendo-licensed code out of their project, and they're golden.

As much as I would like to agree on the legal side, I'm afraid it's not that simple.

Sure, but there is no legal standing to sue for something simply because you don't like it. Developers who choose to fork Yuzu just need to keep their mouths shut and keep Nintendo-licensed code out of their project, and they're golden.

Well yeah. As far as I've seen others talk about, it seems that it does actually come down to circumventing encryption though, contrary to what I initially believed. Also the case was still about piracy, it's also, in part, about sections of DMCA that prohibit circumventing encryption measures for the sake of piracy? I dunno, but then again, it's not like law is my area of expertise. I'm still trying to make sense of it as much as the next guy. From what I understand though, any emulator that tries to circumvent game encryption, especially using a company's own decryption methods for said circumvention, is a risk. So even outside of Nintendo, it's possible that ANY emulator that does the same may very well be risking lawsuit. I'll have to dig deeper into what sections say what, but I'm in a bit of a drunken stupor right now.

 

[DeadSkullzJr]

Alright, so I was presented with an image, if it's anything to go by, I am now up to date somewhat on what the development of Yuzu was like, but I was slightly wrong with my stance when I got onto people about misusing the resources, essentially in an indirect manner siding with the existence of an emulator based on prior knowledge, or lack there of for that matter, for that I am sorry, though there is a degree where I still stand with how some people in general are and act when it comes to piracy as a whole, and to a degree I still believe it can certainly create a lot of bad attention period, no matter the circumstances. I will say, I don't run Switch games on any machine other than the Switch itself, the most I ever knew about the developers was everything in regards to Citra, Yuzu I only knew of being a Switch emulator made by the same developers of Citra, knew it had some features boasted in the past like online functionality, etc. small details basically, after reading what's in this image though, this sort of changes the perspective on things. Again, if true, we did lose at least one emulator out of the mix that mattered, that being Citra, though supposedly it was forked, so maybe not? Regardless, if true, my thoughts are, maybe it's a good thing Yuzu got canned. If you know already and or have seen this image, sorry for the repost, but I was just informed, and I wanted to make sure others who may be in the same boat I was is also informed a bit more. Whether this impacts the relevancy of the situation that the thread discusses, hard to conclude.

 

[Lumstar]

As much as I would like to agree on the legal side, I'm afraid it's not that simple.


Well yeah. As far as I've seen others talk about, it seems that it does actually come down to circumventing encryption though, contrary to what I initially believed. Also the case was still about piracy, it's also, in part, about sections of DMCA that prohibit circumventing encryption measures for the sake of piracy? I dunno, but then again, it's not like law is my area of expertise. I'm still trying to make sense of it as much as the next guy. From what I understand though, any emulator that tries to circumvent game encryption, especially using a company's own decryption methods for said circumvention, is a risk. So even outside of Nintendo, it's possible that ANY emulator that does the same may very well be risking lawsuit. I'll have to dig deeper into what sections say what, but I'm in a bit of a drunken stupor right now.

Even cursory knowledge of the DMCA goes a long way. Many folks seem unaware the law considerably limits how cracks, keygens, or similar tools can be used. I've heard there's various exemptions, like for libraries and museums.

 

[Delerious]

Even cursory knowledge of the DMCA goes a long way. Many folks seem unaware the law considerably limits how cracks, keygens, or similar tools can be used. I've heard there's various exemptions, like for libraries and museums.

Yep! A lot of the media preservation stuff is only reserved for libraries, archives and museums. You, as an individual, do NOT have the right to something if it is for the sake of preservation.

 

[Worldblender]

Well, this is no good at first sight. Better hope that forks of Yuzu and Citra can eventually pop up to indirectly continue their development.
What a shame to learn about the more private side of the Yuzu developers participating in software piracy by sharing game dumps among themselves and Patreon backers - official stuff I thought wouldn't expose this stuff.
There's a good chance I lean more on PC gaming once no more Nintendo published games come out for the current Nintendo Switch, the timing of this lawsuit seems very late; it would've hurt more if it happened years earlier for the more damage.

 

[Shinox]

Yuzu team deserves what's coming for them to be honest , they didn't come prepared to that lawsuit and didn't even bring a good lawyer to back them up and put Nintnedo in their place , they just run with all the patreon money and now they wanna act "fight piracy at all costs" and dip like pussies erasing every trace behind them and sucking up to Nintendo dominance
Huge respect to Ryu team for not locking their builds behind a paywall and playing it safe