Hacking Wii U Piracy Discussion

[optikalsaint]

Some of you seem to be more concerned with getting as much content packed into a game as possible to justify the price, which is fine, and completely missing the point that games are supposed to be fun. Splatoon is one of the most entertaining games I have played in a while. Shoehorning in more content for the sake of stuffing in as much content as possible instead of focusing on gameplay and fun factor would have made this game suffer. When Nintendo releases more content it will be because the content is ready, not because it was rushed to please people that value "more" over "fun"

 

[Nathan Drake]

Some of you seem to be more concerned with getting as much content packed into a game as possible to justify the price, which is fine, and completely missing the point that games are supposed to be fun. Splatoon is one of the most entertaining games I have played in a while. Shoehorning in more content for the sake of stuffing in as much content as possible instead of focusing on gameplay and fun factor would have made this game suffer. When Nintendo releases more content it will be because the content is ready, not because it was rushed to please people that value "more" over "fun"

So we only get either content or fun? Well damn. I guess all my expansive games that actually stayed under development until they were done must not be fun then. I guess I'll go sell The Witcher 3. Too much content. Clearly not enough time spent making it fun. Let's ignore that I'll be able to buy the next CoD release for $60 that will come with over twice the content as Splatoon that is just as well ironed out. A shooter is a shooter is a shooter, and I'm going to judge it against every other shooter. As it stands, Splatoon does not justify a $60 price tag. Let's not ignore the fact that you have to buy amiibos to expand the single player mode which will easily push the price over the $100 point for even less content than I'd get for the same price from a game such as CoD or Battlefield.

I'm sorry that your Wii U is so severely lacking in content, but a title being fun does not justify releasing it half finished at too high of a price. They could have waited two more months and likely turned out a completed product. This is little more than Nintendo greed, and justifying it just seems odd.

 

[crediar]

The problem with games is that they usually don't have a fixed experience like a movie or piece of music, so it's harder to put a value on them.

When you watch a movie the same things will always happen and it will always take the same time, while games can be a different experience and take a different time each time you play.

I think many people would agree that the Witcher 3 is 60USD worthy game, now did you know that GoG (the official Witcher3 reseller!) sells it officially in Russia for about 13USD?

It's just a mess.

 

[Nathan Drake]

The problem with games is that they usually don't have a fixed experience like a movie or piece of music, so it's harder to put a value on them.

When you watch a movie the same things will always happen and it will always take the same time, while games can be a different experience and take a different time each time you play.

I think many people would agree that the Witcher 3 is 60USD worthy game, now did you know that GoG (the official Witcher3 reseller!) sells it officially in Russia for about 13USD?

It's just a mess.

Russia is a special case. It's probably best not to compare much to how things work over there, at least on a market level.

 

[optikalsaint]

A game does not need a ton of content to be fun. And yes Witcher 3 has a ton of content however I haven't touched it since a couple days after its release because playing it felt too much like work and I do enough of that from 9-5 six days a week. Like I said above, price is subjective. I have no problem paying $60USD for a game without a lot of content if its fun and I get a lot of replay value out of it. I get that from Splatoon. You might not get that, but once again the post was to point out how its subjective.

 

[TeamScriptKiddies]

It's not about whether someone enjoys it or not, it's about value for money. I think it's a great minigame thing, it would work fantastic as a F2P title like TF2 (with continuously added content and premium items like costumes and collectibles) but I don't think that the amount of content or the features justify a $60 price tag. I'd pay $20-25 for it, that seems fair - I reserve full retail price for full retail games. On the same token I wouldn't buy Super Pokemon Rumble on the 3DS since it's a sequel to a WiiWare and it's not worth full price, that doesn't make it a bad game, just a badly priced one.

Actually, the sad reality is how software is priced in general. Its not really based on value at all. Companies figure out the highest price tag they can slap on their product that people will pay for. Regardless of whether or not the content is any good. Its completely arbritary, it applies to all game consoles, computer software, mobile apps, you name it, if its software for sale, this applies.

I can't comment on Splatoon as I haven't played it myself, but I've always found the cost of most software unjustifiable tbh. Want the full blown version of photoshop? That'll be $1000 please and thank you . I can understand putting a higher price tag on software being used by others for commercial purposes but still most of those price tags are completely outrageous. Games being $60 a pop is also absurd, I don't like it as much as the next person, that's why I seldom buy new games, and often times when I do its at a discount because its used. I understand many of the blockbusters require a large budget to develop them, but with millions of copies of that blockbuster game being sold at $60 a pop, more than enough is made to get back in the black and still make a really nice profit.

*sighs* arbitrary pricing is bad for consumers end of story... This is a big part of why many people pirate....

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Russia is a special case. It's probably best not to compare much to how things work over there, at least on a market level.

In the Russian economy 13USD is a good chunk of change: https://www.google.com/#q=13usd+to+rub

If the price was any higher in that country NOBODY in their right mind would buy it.

 

[TotalInsanity4]

Well things may have just gotten interesting, this thread is finally relevant again

 

[Monado_III]

Well things may have just gotten interesting, this thread is finally relevant again

Don't except to run backups with that for the moment, because the network is very slow. Hope we can find a way to use usb storage or else =).

Not quite yet, if I understand @Marionumber1 correctly, USB needs an ISOU exploit in order to be accessed, but if you have an ISOU exploit you basically can do anything you want including 'back-up' loaders. So IMO this thread still isn't relevant.

 

[TotalInsanity4]

It's not so much when something will be released I want to cover, it's the inevitable arguing over the morals of piracy that I'm trying to keep out of the main thread. The only reason I said anything in that thread was to double check to make sure my assumptions were clear

 

[TheZander]

Well things may have just gotten interesting, this thread is finally relevant again

It's not so much when something will be released I want to cover, it's the inevitable arguing over the morals of piracy that I'm trying to keep out of the main thread. The only reason I said anything in that thread was to double check to make sure my assumptions were clear

huh? no ones talking about piracy over there. i was kind of confused why you bumped this thread it's not a very interesting read.

 

[TotalInsanity4]

huh? no ones talking about piracy over there. i was kind of confused why you bumped this thread it's not a very interesting read.

One of the uses of Loadiine is to load a WUD over a network to the Wii U. It's apparently not practical but possible. I just am basically preparing this thread for what may come in the future, but yeah it probably wasn't necessary to bring it back quite yet

 

[TheZander]

One of the uses of Loadiine is to load a WUD over a network to the Wii U. It's apparently not practical but possible. I just am basically preparing this thread for what may come in the future, but yeah it probably wasn't necessary to bring it back quite yet

oh i see, i thought you were just drumming up piracy discussion for the hell of it. seemed odd, perhaps with that nus downloader thing you could install game updates if theyre rpx i suppose and supersede needing to updqte the console as well that would be sweet

 

[nonamejohn]

One of the uses of Loadiine is to load a WUD over a network to the Wii U. It's apparently not practical but possible. I just am basically preparing this thread for what may come in the future, but yeah it probably wasn't necessary to bring it back quite yet

The hell if it wasn't ! "Loadiine" is great news ! I'm not even excited for the piracy, imagine the modification possible without simple file replacement. We may actually see real mods !

 

[TotalInsanity4]

oh i see, i thought you were just drumming up piracy discussion for the hell of it. seemed odd, perhaps with that nus downloader thing you could install game updates if theyre rpx i suppose and supersede needing to updqte the console as well that would be sweet

Yes, if this is possible I am balls to the walls excited for it!

 

[shinyquagsire23]

The hell if it wasn't ! "Loadiine" is great news ! I'm not even excited for the piracy, imagine the modification possible without simple file replacement. We may actually see real mods !

For what it's worth, modifying the executable in RAM has been a thing for a while now. Loadiine changed nothing.

 

[TotalInsanity4]

For what it's worth, modifying the executable in RAM has been a thing for a while now. Loadiine changed nothing.

It seems like it will make a few things easier for end users, though, which is always appreciated

 

[Pecrow]

I want to feed the fire as well... so.... Wii U game loaders, Hurra!! no jk... Honestly I own most of the best games for Wii U already with the exception of just a few, like that Toad game, which I really want but am afraid that it might be a short game and not worth the pricetag. Maybe I would load that game. Right now I REALLY want to buy Mario maker but having the game come with 5.4.0 update I will have to wait for that Spoofer to be ready since my wii u is on 5.3.2.

Either way I am actually up for piracy as well as ...down-for?... piracy. Nintendo is not doing so well right now with the wii U, (3ds on the other hand is booming which I do own as well) but as long as people dont abuse piracy.. pfff i know right!?... nintendo might not be so bad with all of the new console sales they will make once this is released.

 

[HomebrewEnthusiast109876]

Do what you wanna do and don't try to change others.

Great idea, no?

 

[EclipseSin]

Do what you want cause a Pirate is free... You are a pirate...

 

[oumoumad]

Do what you want cause a Pirate is free... You are a pirate...

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