Hacking Where did Gateway go wrong?

[daxtsu]

No, that rumor started after one person's hardmod was damaged and he couldn't restore and thought it was because of GW, but it was just a coincidence.

Turns out that it was because of my reader, not the mod, but yeah, there's no truth to Gateway write-locking NANDs (at least as of the time of this particular post, who knows if they'll ever do it, hopefully not, of course).

 

[sj33]

I guess it comes down the difference in nuance between 'claiming something as theirs' and 'not giving credit where due'. Both imply the same thing, but they're not completely identical.

Gateway re-branding A9LH as 'Fast Boot' is obnoxious, but they're not technically doing anything wrong as long as it's all their own code. The code theft is the issue.

EDIT - Restored original post for clarity.

 

[astronautlevel]

I guess it comes down the difference in nuance between 'claiming something as theirs' and 'not giving credit where due'. Both imply the same thing, but they're not completely identical.

Gateway re-branding A9LH as 'Fast Boot' is obnoxious, but they're not technically doing anything wrong as long as it's all their own code. The code theft is the issue.

I expect that if someone went through the trouble of REing GW's a9lh implementation, you'd find plenty of GPL violations.

 

[Deleted member 366698]

Yeah, they basically just reused PlaiSysDowngrader for their "Time Machine"

Wasn't it KTM, kernel time machine by justpingo?

 

[astronautlevel]

Wasn't it KTM, kernel time machine by justpingo?

No, KTM was never in a usable state. It was a rebranded PlaiSysUpdater.

 

[Deleted User]

Wasn't it KTM, kernel time machine by justpingo?

That's what I was thinking it was, but my memory is kinda hazy so I wasn't sure if I was remembering correctly or not.

 

[Deleted member 366698]

No, KTM was never in a usable state. It was a rebranded PlaiSysUpdater.

Oh alright

 

[Reecey]

Didn't "Gateway Fast Boot" also write-lock people's NAND chips when their consoles were off so people couldn't restore backups via hardmod?

Oh boy, this is the second time I've said this.
Just because Gateway was good then doesn't mean they're good now, and because they were good at one point, that doesn't mean we should just ignore the shitty things they've done.
In fact, if we had free CFW back then already, I don't think anyone would've actually bought a Gateway, either that or less people would've bought Gateways.

You need to get your facts right buddy before posting, we never had CFW back then and that is a fact, free or not it never existed! A Gateway flashcard was the only way to play back ups on a 3ds back then with there V1.0 update, there was no other way that was why everyone wanted a 3ds between FW4.1.0 - 4.5.0.

Edit:- try reading the review you might learn something> https://gbatemp.net/review/gateway-3ds.79/

 

[Deleted User]

You need to get your facts right buddy before posting, we never had CFW back then and that is a fact, free or not it never existed! A Gateway flashcard was the only way to play back ups on a 3ds back then with there V1.0 update, there was no other way that was why everyone wanted a 3ds between FW4.1.0 - 4.5.0.

Edit:- try reading the review you might learn something> https://gbatemp.net/review/gateway-3ds.79/

You didn't read. I said IF we had free CFW back then, next to nobody would use Gateway. Keyword: IF

 

[astronautlevel]

You need to get your facts right buddy before posting, we never had CFW back then and that is a fact, free or not it never existed! A Gateway flashcard was the only way to play back ups on a 3ds back then with there V1.0 update, there was no other way that was why everyone wanted a 3ds between FW4.1.0 - 4.5.0.

Edit:- try reading the review you might learn something> https://gbatemp.net/review/gateway-3ds.79/

I mean, yellows8's leaked CFW existed....

 

[CreAtor135]

I mean, yellows8's leaked CFW existed....

Yellows8's leaked CFW came in 2014. A full year after Gateway v1.0.

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Wait, I think I know what you're talking about.
You probably got your Gateway when it was the only viable solution and enjoyed it then... and now you see other alternatives. And I'm not talking about the fact alternatives are intrinsically better or not, it's just a matter of atmosphere.

I mean, Gateway feels like a vending machine.
You come, you have limited choice, especially if the machine wasn't filled recently and you can't request/discuss/complain/suggest anything, then you pay too much compared to a store (or compared to a free CFW which is, well, free), you're served, and they're done with you.

Free CFWs feel like your neighborhood's local store.
Just the same way you can just go to that store to discuss with your friends working there, you can see the free CFW devs in gbatemp. You see the progress they make while they're doing it. You can discuss with them. When a new feature is coming, you know it, and then you can enjoy it as soon as it's ready, you don't have to wait for a full refill of the vending machine (Gateway delaying the update to add more unnecessary features such as their a9lh implementation when all we needed was a bin).

With Gateway, there is so little communication that you can feel left out. That may be what you dislike about them (not (just) the lack of features and stuff), and that's probably why you couldn't put your finger on it since it's something that they lack instead of something bad they could have done.

It's definitely this. I mean, I enjoyed Gateway because at least back then it seemed like they felt good about being at the top, and they wanted to retain that spot. It was fun to talk to the community about the product, and spend time helping each other through hardships. Now that we've moved into a new era, there's no reason to have the product, it no longer feels like the Devs are aiming for the top, and most importantly, it doesn't feel like there's a community anymore.

From this spawns a sprawl. I like CFW, but I wouldn't bring myself to try and connect with others while I still somewhat back Gateway, and I hate to see them performing so poorly. Even now, they're lagging behind with their 11.1 emuNAND support.

 

[gamesquest1]

Didn't "Gateway Fast Boot" also write-lock people's NAND chips when their consoles were off so people couldn't restore backups via hardmod?

nope, that was the usual baseless rumors that are spread by people just looking to get angry about something

 

[Deleted User]

nope, that was the usual baseless rumors that are spread by people just looking to get angry about something

Except it was based off of something.

 

[LongTimeLurker]

To me Gateway went wrong with no FIRM protection in their distributed a9lh. They have become very slow to support their product, not that they were ever super quick.

Also as much as Gateway's cheat system is okay, and better than alternatives, it isn't good. I'd like to be able to add two variables together, or maybe 2 registers (Instead of being forced to add a constant...). I have more faith in NTR at this point to eventually give us awesome cheats.

 

[gamesquest1]

Except it was based off of something.

it was based off someone who had a faulty hardmod, at the time people pretty much said it was more likely an issue with their hardmod, they since clarified it was just a faulty hardmod, in every thread where this is repeated people have to correct people and tell them that that was all just a speculation rumor yet people are still repeating the same already dis-proven info that was proven false almost as soon as it dared to be pondered

so sure it was based of something, but its like the fake uni rape story people didnt wait for more info they just went of a witch hunt.
screw facts, we have a witch to burn!!!

 

[Tenshi_Okami]

Why would I support a CFW that

• Has a brick code that could end up bricking a 3DS(happened before to Gateway-only users)
• Are very slow in development and doesn't even put a firm protection to their A9LH.bin
• Steal stuff from other people without giving proper credit

I would honestly prefer CFW a million times more.

Gateway started to go down the drain ever since the brickcode was implemented.(2.0b2 was the one who started to brick people? Idk)

 

[_Chaz_]

Short answer:
They demanded money to enable piracy.

Slightly-Longer answer:
Once Gateway was surpassed in both support and usability by a free alternative, there was no reason to pay for a lesser experience.
It certainly didn't help that they were stealing and selling open source software. and willingly bricking legitimate customers' consoles to prevent others from doing the same.

 

[LongTimeLurker]

Short answer:
They demanded money to enable piracy.

At least you can run homebrew on a Gateway, unlike Sky3DS.

 

[Tenshi_Okami]

At least you can run homebrew on a Gateway, unlike Sky3DS.

We can run homebrew on Sky3DS what

You just need the exploitable game that's all

 

[LongTimeLurker]

We can run homebrew on Sky3DS what

You just need the exploitable game that's all

The point is the cart's sole use is enabling piracy. Not that it's technically possible through homebrew game exploits.