What's wrong with weed?

[ShadowSoldier]

Ok so let's try to have an intelligent discussion on this subject (even though aside from a dozen or so of you, that'll be impossible). So tell me why people and the government are so against weed.

I smoke weed every day, been doing it for the last couple years, smoke it every day and pretty much all day. I'm still able to function normally, I can go driving, I go to work and everything. I get that it hits people differently, but that's depending on the different strain of it. And from what info I'm gathering:

-Weed is used as a treatment for people with Schizophrenia.
-People who smoke weed tend to have far less headaches.
-People who smoke it tend to be a buttload healthier than people who just smoke tobacco.
-There hasn't been a single case of someone overdosing and dying from weed.
-It's also been proven to reduce your chances of getting cancer by upwards of 35%.

For those of you who smoke weed, how often do you do it, and do you get stupidly fucked up like the ads and gov't try to say people are like? Personally, I don't. Hell, I love smoking a few bowls and hitting up the gym or going for runs. I also smoke it right before I go milk the cows.

And for those of you who don't smoke it, what is your biggest problem with it? It's not lethal in anyway, it doesn't stay in your system like tobacco does, it makes food taste awesome too.

I mean, to be honest, if they can sell McDonalds and Tobacco which are waaaay worse for you than weed, then weed should have no problem.
The only thing I can think of, is if the Govt makes it legal, they stand to lose a crap load of money.

 

[JoostinOnline]

-Weed is used as a treatment for people with Schizophrenia.

I just want to point out that this point is invalid. There are plenty of medicines that are illegal to take without a prescription. Just because it can help you in certain cases, that doesn't mean it's good for everyone.

The one about it "not being as bad for you as tobacco" is flawed IMO because it's stupid to do things that are bad for you.

 

[chavosaur]

I don't smoke and I honestly don't see too much of a big deal in it but you did mention one thing that kind of awnsers the question. The government loses money. Therefore, Prez bama say heeeelllllll no. Other than that? Meh, if its legal it is, if not, people gonna do it anyway and no ones gonna notice

 

[notmeanymore]

Personally, I'm against all forms of substance abuse, however the government making weed illegal makes it all too possible for people to be killed by additives.
What would be interesting would be making the selling of fully-grown weed illegal, but possession, use and growing okay. Basically if you wanted to smoke weed, you'd have to grow it yourself.

 

[ShadowSoldier]

-Weed is used as a treatment for people with Schizophrenia.

I just want to point out that this point is invalid. There are plenty of medicines that are illegal to take without a prescription. Just because it can help you in certain cases, that doesn't mean it's good for everyone.

The one about it "not being as bad for you as tobacco" is flawed IMO because it's stupid to do things that are bad for you.

Weed isn't bad for you though lol. And how is it invalid? It doesn't get rid of schizophrenia entirely, it just calms the person. And again, weed can help in certain cases, but you still didn't say why it's not good for everyone. I'm not saying it is, I'm just saying, why is it bad?

 

[Guild McCommunist]

I remember posting a blog about this like a while ago and then I went to school. When I came back it was like... 7 pages or something ridiculous.

I have nothing against the drug but I'm personally opposed to it. It should be legalized but not because it's just the greatest thing since sliced bread, but doing so equals a lot of things. First, more government revenue through heavy taxing of it. Second, more regulation in production to make the drug healthier and safer. Third, it undercuts a major source of gang revenue since a lot of gangs do make money through marijuana distribution.

I just don't like the whole idea behind it though, people try to tell me it's all fine and good but it's not like I see people who are really into weed and I go "I totally want to be like that". I usually see most of the pot smokers ending up being deadbeats and the infamous "potheads". I get my jollies out of plenty things in life and I'm not really unsatisfied with my current situation that I need to find something new. I like playing video games sober. I like watching TV sober. I like going to school sober (well, I don't necessarily like going to school but I do enjoy getting an education). I don't find any of these activities shallow or me needing to "stupid up" for them to be more fun. I enjoy being in a state of mind I have complete control and dominance over. I don't want to be in a state where I'm so high that I'm acting stupid, lazy, and forgetful.

It's just something I would never do in my life and I have personal convictions against the idea of narcotics in general. Plus the whole stigma behind it annoys me.

 

[MelodieOctavia]

I really don't have much of a problem with weed. I smoke it about once a year. When you smoke as little as I do, it's hard not to get insanely fucked up off of one or two hits.

The problem I have with it are the people who let it run their lives, the people that are high 24/7. Excessive weed use will make you a drooling moron. I've seen it happen, and it doesn't happen all at once. It takes years of use and abuse.

I have nothing against occasional use, but when you get these potheads who think it's their life's goal to smoke an entire pound of weed within 24 hours, that's where I draw the line.

 

[The Catboy]

Honestly like any drug, it has it's ups and downs, but I don't think it's as bad as medical drugs.
Still I think it should be legal and just be heavily taxed.

The problem I have with it are the people who let it run their lives, the people that are high 24/7. Excessive weed use will make you a drooling moron. I've seen it happen, and it doesn't happen all at once. It takes years of use and abuse.

It is true that it can cause some problems, but as you stated, "It takes years of use and abuse." more often than not, people only abuse it because it's taboo and illegal. If it became legal, I bet people won't be so attracted to it anymore and there would be less abuse with it.

 

[iluvfupaburgers]

i think the problem that exists with weed is that it has become a taboo. that is why it is still illegal. i think if weed became legal it would be easier to control its use and probably stop a little to organized crimes.
weed is a drug though and with that, any drug used in excess is bad

 

[Guild McCommunist]

I really don't have much of a problem with weed. I smoke it about once a year. When you smoke as little as I do, it's hard not to get insanely fucked up off of one or two hits.

The problem I have with it are the people who let it run their lives, the people that are high 24/7. Excessive weed use will make you a drooling moron. I've seen it happen, and it doesn't happen all at once. It takes years of use and abuse.

I have nothing against occasional use, but when you get these potheads who think it's their life's goal to smoke an entire pound of weed within 24 hours, that's where I draw the line.

Really well said and you're honestly one of the few people I've heard of who will admit to smoking weed but will do so responsibly. "Potheads" as a subculture developed for a reason.

Pretty much the biggest obstacle to legalizing marijuana is a lot of the yahoos who support it. There are those who support it for good reasons and then there's the potheads who support it because they think the pigs are out to get them and just want to get high all day.

Also legalizing it could mean more restrictions. Like currently these laws are already around but having the drug legalized would make these more taboo. But my examples are that you can't smoke and drive, smoke and work, even smoke and go out into public. It can be isolated to something you can only do in your own residence.

 

[Hells Malice]

1: It's a gateway drug. Fact. It leads many, many people to end up trying harmful drugs. Or people end up smoking it laced with some harmful shit.
2: People often get addicted to it. "But Hells it isn't addict-" it is. It's mentally addictive, people who use it, I think it was, 3 or so days a week start to quickly develop a mindset that makes them feel awkward when they aren't high, that they need to be high to feel right or proper. This is bad. Addiction is not a good thing.
3: It's a pointless waste of money. That's just my personal opinion though. While i'm on "my opinion" I also can't stand the smell. It makes me want to vomit.
4: 95% of the people i've met who smoke weed are fucking annoying. I don't know if it's the weed or just the kind of person but I absolute can not STAND these people. It's probably because people make weed a lifestyle instead of an occasional passtime.
5: The medical excuse is pretty null and void since a very large majority of people do not smoke weed for any medicinal purposes. It's recreational.

 

[DigitalDeviant]

-Weed is used as a treatment for people with Schizophrenia.

I just want to point out that this point is invalid. There are plenty of medicines that are illegal to take without a prescription. Just because it can help you in certain cases, that doesn't mean it's good for everyone.

The one about it "not being as bad for you as tobacco" is flawed IMO because it's stupid to do things that are bad for you.

Weed isn't bad for you though lol. And how is it invalid? It doesn't get rid of schizophrenia entirely, it just calms the person. And again, weed can help in certain cases, but you still didn't say why it's not good for everyone. I'm not saying it is, I'm just saying, why is it bad?

it may not be bad for you relative to other drugs, but I hate the smell, my neighbor smokes and it's like totally not fair that I have to put up with the smell.

 

[ShadowSoldier]

1: It's a gateway drug. Fact. It leads many, many people to end up trying harmful drugs. Or people end up smoking it laced with some harmful shit.

Well honestly, that's the buyers fault. It's not that hard these days to find a reliable seller or anything. Hell, we've been buying pot off of one guy for 3 years now. But that is true, it's just here, nobody really laces any of their weed. But it's only a gateway drug if the person is stupid to try other drugs. Like me, I smoke every day and everything, and I haven't had the urge to try any other drug as I know it's not smart. The only other drug I smoked was Salvia 25x, and that's because it's legal. Tried it once, got awesomely high where I was having fun just playing games and shit, then I didn't try it or any other drug besides weed again.

2: People often get addicted to it. "But Hells it isn't addict-" it is. It's mentally addictive, people who use it, I think it was, 3 or so days a week start to quickly develop a mindset that makes them feel awkward when they aren't high, that they need to be high to feel right or proper. This is bad. Addiction is not a good thing.

That's debatable. I'm a really shy person who is in a really small shell, but when I smoke weed, I'm more open, more sociable and just an overall more fun guy to be around. I mean, if you're going to say that as an excuse as to why it's bad, you might as well say all alcohol is bad and that shouldn't be legal.

5: The medical excuse is pretty null and void since a very large majority of people do not smoke weed for any medicinal purposes. It's recreational.

So? That doesn't make it null and void. There are people who do smoke it for medical reasons.

 

[MelodieOctavia]

1: It's a gateway drug. Fact. It leads many, many people to end up trying harmful drugs. Or people end up smoking it laced with some harmful shit.
No, It's not. There have been numerous studies that debunk the notion that MJ is a gateway drug. You might want to check your "facts" before you declare your statement as one.

2: People often get addicted to it. "But Hells it isn't addict-" it is. It's mentally addictive, people who use it, I think it was, 3 or so days a week start to quickly develop a mindset that makes them feel awkward when they aren't high, that they need to be high to feel right or proper. This is bad. Addiction is not a good thing.
This I do agree with, but many things can be addictive. Hell, anything can be addictive. Internet, Food, Texting, Violence, Rage, Sex, Work. You name something that someone enjoys, and I'll show you someone who is addicted to it.

3: It's a pointless waste of money. That's just my personal opinion though. While i'm on "my opinion" I also can't stand the smell. It makes me want to vomit.
I can name many other things that are a pointless waste of money. Starbucks, designer handbags, iPhones. I can keep going, but I would need a nap afterward. I'll agree with you on the smell. It stinks so bad. The taste of it really doesn't make you go "mmm tasty" either.

4: 95% of the people i've met who smoke weed are fucking annoying. I don't know if it's the weed or just the kind of person but I absolute can not STAND these people. It's probably because people make weed a lifestyle instead of an occasional passtime.
Anecdotal evidence. I also doubt that it's 95%. I can guarantee you that you have met people that smoke weed on a regular basis, but they just don't brag about it or even let anyone know.

5: The medical excuse is pretty null and void since a very large majority of people do not smoke weed for any medicinal purposes. It's recreational.
Just because the majority doesn't use weed for medical reasons, it doesn't mean it's not a valid reason. That logic does not make a lick of sense in the real world.

 

[iluvfupaburgers]

1: It's a gateway drug. Fact. It leads many, many people to end up trying harmful drugs. Or people end up smoking it laced with some harmful shit.
2: People often get addicted to it. "But Hells it isn't addict-" it is. It's mentally addictive, people who use it, I think it was, 3 or so days a week start to quickly develop a mindset that makes them feel awkward when they aren't high, that they need to be high to feel right or proper. This is bad. Addiction is not a good thing.
3: It's a pointless waste of money. That's just my personal opinion though. While i'm on "my opinion" I also can't stand the smell. It makes me want to vomit.
4: 95% of the people i've met who smoke weed are fucking annoying. I don't know if it's the weed or just the kind of person but I absolute can not STAND these people. It's probably because people make weed a lifestyle instead of an occasional passtime.
5: The medical excuse is pretty null and void since a very large majority of people do not smoke weed for any medicinal purposes. It's recreational.

i know all this is your opinion but i have some things to say about this:
1. i dont really think its fact that it leads to other drugs. in fact. all my friends that do weed, only do weed, they dont even smoke tobacco or alcohol. i would consider alcohol more of a gateway drug if any exist
2 weed is not physically adicting but can be mentally adicting. that is true. but other things like casino, videogames are also mentally adicting, and im guessing youre ok with videogames since your in a videogame forum
3. i agree it is a waste of money. i used to smoke tobacco, and weed and even when i was addicted to tobacco, i thought it was a waste of money. though the smell for weed is pretty pleasant, it has this sort of minty smell which is nice compared to tobacco
4. it is probably them. my firends are the same as when not smoking, they only get tired and hungry when they do it
5. i agree it is recreational, but that doesnt make null the fact that weed can be used as treatment for many diseases

 

[Wizerzak]

1: It's a gateway drug. Fact. It leads many, many people to end up trying harmful drugs. Or people end up smoking it laced with some harmful shit.
2: People often get addicted to it. "But Hells it isn't addict-" it is. It's mentally addictive, people who use it, I think it was, 3 or so days a week start to quickly develop a mindset that makes them feel awkward when they aren't high, that they need to be high to feel right or proper. This is bad. Addiction is not a good thing.
3: It's a pointless waste of money. That's just my personal opinion though. While i'm on "my opinion" I also can't stand the smell. It makes me want to vomit.
4: 95% of the people i've met who smoke weed are fucking annoying. I don't know if it's the weed or just the kind of person but I absolute can not STAND these people. It's probably because people make weed a lifestyle instead of an occasional passtime.
5: The medical excuse is pretty null and void since a very large majority of people do not smoke weed for any medicinal purposes. It's recreational.

This pretty much. You've actually left me with nothing to add.

 

[air2004]

-It's also been proven to reduce your chances of getting cancer by upwards of 35%.

Really ? show me where you got that fact from .

I think weed should be legalized But the govenment wont really make all that much money off it in taxes no matter how much you tax it.
You will always have private growers selling it cheaper than what any store will , so it really wont cut down the violence associated with it or any drug trade.
Lets assume it was leagal for a second though.
People will smoke it while driving.
A cop will have probable cause to pull over anyone smoking anything even if its a cigarette. The cop will use the excuse of , " It appeard as though he was smoking marijuana " your honor.
Then there will be a boat load of law suits becasue people will claim they were profiled while driving and smoking.

 

[Guild McCommunist]

1: It's a gateway drug. Fact. It leads many, many people to end up trying harmful drugs. Or people end up smoking it laced with some harmful shit.

Well honestly, that's the buyers fault. It's not that hard these days to find a reliable seller or anything. Hell, we've been buying pot off of one guy for 3 years now. But that is true, it's just here, nobody really laces any of their weed. But it's only a gateway drug if the person is stupid to try other drugs. Like me, I smoke every day and everything, and I haven't had the urge to try any other drug as I know it's not smart. The only other drug I smoked was Salvia 25x, and that's because it's legal. Tried it once, got awesomely high where I was having fun just playing games and shit, then I didn't try it or any other drug besides weed again.

2: People often get addicted to it. "But Hells it isn't addict-" it is. It's mentally addictive, people who use it, I think it was, 3 or so days a week start to quickly develop a mindset that makes them feel awkward when they aren't high, that they need to be high to feel right or proper. This is bad. Addiction is not a good thing.

That's debatable. I'm a really shy person who is in a really small shell, but when I smoke weed, I'm more open, more sociable and just an overall more fun guy to be around. I mean, if you're going to say that as an excuse as to why it's bad, you might as well say all alcohol is bad and that shouldn't be legal.

5: The medical excuse is pretty null and void since a very large majority of people do not smoke weed for any medicinal purposes. It's recreational.

So? That doesn't make it null and void. There are people who do smoke it for medical reasons.

Well "it's the buyer's fault" is the case with every drug. A cokehead can only be addicted to coke but odds are if he's in an environment where he has access to coke he has access to the a rainbow of other flavors. My friend's mom used to be a major pothead as a kid and she told us that it absolutely is, she got into some bad shit and weed was just her first stepping stone. Some kids (honestly, the dividing line here is class) will get weed maybe second hand or not involved in the group that provides it, but others have no issues jumping into a group of kids with a larger access to more drugs. Studies may say this or that but there are plenty of people who just start smoking weed and then decide to go onto much worse things.

I would say, from the cases I've heard, that it is mentally addictive. Most anything is. Video games are mentally addictive, I'm sure many of us have decided to push the work on that history project back a day to play Skyrim once or twice. People will admit their a video game addict, a chocolate addict, even a movie addict, but "weed addict" seems like some sort of foreign concept. Anything can be mentally addictive. I mean we have Korean kids dying from playing too much Starcraft or children dying from neglect because their parents are too busy playing some computer game, hell I even read a story a while ago about a kid who died from masturbating too much in a day. All these kids were addicted to a substance that wasn't chemical, but weed addiction is considered to be false and every pothead will go "NO IT'S NOT ADDICTIVE" if you say it is.

My personal philosophy on weed is that it seems like a lot of money going "up in smoke" (pun intended). It's how my dad taught me about drugs. His story was that he smoked weed once when he was a kid. He thought it was average and honestly not anything great. He also realized he spent all this money on some drugs that he could have spent on something he liked (such as music records). So he figured, why waste all this money on something that I'll literally burn through in a short time when I can spend that money on a record that I'll listen to time after time? For me it's the same way with video games. I can spend $60 on a video game that stays with me forever, something that'll keep me entertaining for possibly years. I mean I have Skyrim in my Xbox right now (I got it as a gift but for about $60 I would assume) and I already probably over 100 hours into the game. How many hours are you high for $60 of weed? Plus all the "weed stories" I heard involve them just doing something else while high anyway.

 

[pyromaniac123]

There's a reason why it's called dope.

 

[Fudge]

I can see it's use for some people, but for the little fuckers around where I live and probably everywhere who smoke it just so they're fucked up is stupid IMO.
EDIT: I personally don't use it, but I don't have a problem with people who do