We are getting screwed

[subcon959]

This doesn't just apply to PC enthusiasts but we are certainly in the firing line, and have been for some time if you've followed the ridiculous trend in hardware for the last several years.



TLDW; although I think it's a great watch.. corporate overlords: you will own nothing and lease, rent, subscribe to everything you used to be able to own.

 

[SylverReZ]

I have to give the finger to NVIDIA following trends like in the case of the artificial intelligence (AI) boom that has swarmed China and the US, which has caused such a huge ripple effect on the inflation of graphics cards throughout the past few months. We knew that, at some point, it's going to cause a lot of problems for the economy. Nobody can afford them, or even the essentials that make a PC tick, such as RAM and (maybe) SSDs-it's so sad. Heard that they're now going with subscription-model GPUs in order to use extra features. This gives me more of a reason to move to AMD without the fuss and hate NVIDIA more.

 

[subcon959]

I have to give the finger to NVIDIA following trends like in the case of the artificial intelligence (AI) boom that has swarmed China and the US, which has caused such a huge ripple effect on the inflation of graphics cards throughout the past few months. We knew that, at some point, it's going to cause a lot of problems for the economy. Nobody can afford them, or even the essentials that make a PC tick, such as RAM and (maybe) SSDs-it's so sad. Heard that they're now going with subscription-model GPUs in order to use extra features. This gives me more of a reason to move to AMD without the fuss and hate NVIDIA more.

AMD will follow Nvidia as they've always done. The CEOs are literally cousins afterall.

 

[Earthshine]

I haven't upgraded my GPU or anything in my PC since 2016 and it looks like I won't be doing so any time soon. I'll stay over here with my consoles. Better graphics? Sure, but the differences aren't work 2+ times the cost. My eyesight is also pretty terrible and I wear tri-focals so highest settings on a PC mean little to nothing to me. Can't even build a new PC for the same price as a PS5 Pro, that can even perform at an equal level to a PS5 Pro. Fuck "pc master race".

 

[subcon959]

It really makes you wonder what is happening with the Steam Machine. What are the chances they just cancel it?

Some people are convinced that HL3 will be a launch title lol.

 

[janobi]

It really makes you wonder what is happening with the Steam Machine. What are the chances they just cancel it?

Some people are convinced that HL3 will be a launch title lol.

HL3 is never coming out, and certainly won't be a launch title for the steam console. Hardware has always been the killer for companies, that's why Sega dropped out of the hardware market. The only company that made bank on hardware was Nintendo, unless you count the PS2.

Nvidia et al can make way more money from selling chips to AI companies, than they can to consumers. Consumers are very small fry compared to AI companies who buy in bulk, and guarantee sales. Also helps to keep the R&D going, and costs down for Nvidia et al.

I literally just sold a gaming PC for well under market price for the spec just to sell it quick, and still people were haggling over the price, but the GPU/RAM alone was close to what I was asking for price wise to sell.

Valve also just pulled the cheapest version of the their steam deck and replaced it with a different version that's $200 more expensive. Common marketing practice called a loss leader, to have people enter the market/eco system, then keep them there to buy other things instead. Valve is predominently a gaming company, the transistion to hardware is a weird one imo, although their steam deck has proved successful, but there will be a point where the supply/deman curve will change.

 

[Bladexdsl]

this is prob the last computer i will ever build too.

 

[janobi]

this is prob the last computer i will ever build too.

The GPU market has been over saturated for some years. The downgrade of the latest cards is bonkers, I mean unless you're buying an extremely high end card, you're losing vram that you can get on other cards for way cheaper.

I was going to upgrade the CPU, but I just sent the chip back as it wasn't worth upgrading for a small increase in performance, especially when all I was using it for was to play solitaire, or to move files to a HDD from unix/windows. The whole PC market has become a bubble, and that bubble has to burst.

 

[subcon959]

this is prob the last computer i will ever build too.

They want you to pay subscription to use their cloud computer instead.

 

[Kwyjor]

So, is AI having any more of an effect on GPU availability than Bitcoin mining was..? Is it just a massive difference in scale?

I was thinking that once mining fell out of fashion, there would be major bargains to be had from inexpensive but still useful 3D hardware, but evidently that didn't happen.

 

[isoboy]

Why u hafta be mad? What kind of a rig do you think this guy own? You think he's fucking around with a 970 when he's gaming? I just ordered the 5070 ti by the way.

I love the people posting "I guess my 4090 will last me a little bit longer." - Yeah you doofus, you paid an arm and a leg for that shit so it better.

 

[mituzora]

I'm glad I upgraded when I did. I picked up a 6700xt and a 5700x right before blackwell/RDNA4 came out and shot prices through the roof. Unfortunately I could really use the two upgrades that are quickly becoming hot commodities (RAM, SSD storage, even HDD storage has raised in price a bit)

 

[Bladexdsl]

They want you to pay subscription to use their cloud computer instead.

and they can go fuck themselves i will never support cloud computing. and anyway you don't even need a beefy computer anymore steam is being taken over by waifu, deck builder, lame AF simulator and pixel shit which would all run on a potato! there are barely any gpu taxing games on pc anymore.

 

[Armadillo]

AMD will follow Nvidia as they've always done. The CEOs are literally cousins afterall.

Yep, AMD won't save anyone. Even when Nvidia arguably moved everything up a tier (4060/ti arguably became 4070), AMD arguably just did the same thing. 7700xt was not the expected jump with a lot of arguments that the same had happened (should have been the 7600xt). Even now it's still sad, 5060ti can't match a 3080 from 2 gens ago, 1060 could match the x80 from the last gen.

When Zen was behind, all good value. Zen 3 comes along, AMD leaps ahead of Intel, prices shoot up.

No one will save anyone.

 

[subcon959]

and they can go fuck themselves i will never support cloud computing. and anyway you don't even need a beefy computer anymore steam is being taken over by waifu, deck builder, lame AF simulator and pixel shit which would all run on a potato! there are barely any gpu taxing games on pc anymore.

Yeah, cos it takes them 12 years to make the AAA game and then it's still a buggy disappointing mess on release anyway. None of the games I've enjoyed this year actually needed an expensive PC.

 

[K3Nv4]

Yeah, cos it takes them 12 years to make the AAA game and then it's still a buggy disappointing mess on release anyway. None of the games I've enjoyed this year actually needed an expensive PC.

Glitches are expected in 100gb+ games, its different in 20gb or lower games because the engine isn't as complex but it can still provide fun.

 

[subcon959]

Glitches are expected in 100gb+ games

Especially if they are UE5 games. It's a bit strange that the industry standard is so poorly understood by the vast majority of devs.

 

[Skv0ra]

It really makes you wonder what is happening with the Steam Machine. What are the chances they just cancel it?

Some people are convinced that HL3 will be a launch title lol.

At the price point we all think it'll launch at - I'd rather just get a proper pre-built that will be a solid and flexible PC aside from an overpriced, crippled game thing.

And streaming computing or gaming? Stadia failed rightfully and spectacularly, since you always gotta assume that your average basement dweller can barely afford 100mbs net speed, let alone speed NEEDED to both send and receive data FASTER than a local machine could do.....

Yeah, cos it takes them 12 years to make the AAA game and then it's still a buggy disappointing mess on release anyway. None of the games I've enjoyed this year actually needed an expensive PC.

Aside from Rise of Ronin, my tater 7700HQ bottlenecking mobile 1070 ran everything else just fine too, including KCD2 and that's a helluva game graphically.

 

[shadowflare7799]

I'll probably upgrade my system by the end of next year. The 5070 ti sounds good but sucks shelling all that money out for a gpu. I grew up as a PC gamer and that's where I will stay my choice anyhow and happy about it. I have nothing against consoles loved the ps2 but I stopped buying consoles after the xbox one.

 

[janobi]

GPUs are likely to double in price over the next few months due to AI, RAM has already doubled in price, so unless someone new enters the market and floods it, then prices are only going to continue to rise. I literally sold my gaming PC a week or so ago, as I didn't need it, and the guy haggled about the price of it. It wasn't anything extra special, but it would play all games wihtout an issue.

Having seen the increase in RAM prices, I should likely have sold it for way more than I did. Someone asked me to build them a new PC, and 32GB of ram was nearly £200 alone. That's mental pricing, so for an above average PC you're now looking at well over £1000 whereas previously it was more around the £700-800 price range depending on the GPU. Once the GPU's double in price too, then it's just going to get worse. Optimisation of games would be a better way of doing things, rather than an increase in the cost of hardware, but Nvidia et al would prefer to sell to companies, who'll buy in bulk and increase profits more quickly, than average home users looking to buy a new GPU every 3 years or so. Even buying stuff direct from China is now getting more expensive that it's ever been, and some CPUs are actually cheaper to buy from the UK than from China. It's like the whole bitcoin mining drama all over again, but this time for AI.