USA - Russia is mocking you for bringing home a junkie!

[WeedZ]

State isn't only Ohio. State is aggregating, including everything from the individual, up to unions and companies, accumulating to your preferred (constrictive) definition of state. There is a potential for an unlimited number of states, and it's not by accident that the 50 states are also called states. For the purpose of the amendment, and its limitation of the government to rule top-down (dictatorial) vs bottom-up (aggregating), the second amendment is not explaining how the government shall regulate gun control, per your stroke. It is not suggested that the right to bear arms is dependent on the militia being well regulated by the government, but that a well regulated militia relies on its people who have their freedom to bear arms and is developed by the aggregate.

More later. Keep breathing.

There is something wrong with you...

You have not responded to anything I've said. Just trying to save face because you misquoted it as "regulated by the state". Maybe you should own up to not knowing what you're talking about, then learn and grow as a person. Instead of sticking to your ignorant naive guns and being an annoying bigoted pain in ass to everyone.

 

[TraderPatTX]

Tell me you don't understand commas without saying you don't understand commas.

I bet you think the General Welfare Clause means the government gives welfare to the citizens because leftists always try to interpret text through a modern lens instead of how the author intended it.

But if it really does mean what you want it to mean, we can go back to the private ownership of warships and cannons. Meet you on the high seas, Scooter.

 

[WeedZ]

I bet you think the General Welfare Clause means the government gives welfare to the citizens because leftists always try to interpret text through a modern lens instead of how the author intended it.

But if it really does mean what you want it to mean, we can go back to the private ownership of warships and cannons. Meet you on the high seas, Scooter.

I bet you think the government made an ammendment to the constitution to allow the people to fight itself. Only a conservative would think treason were patriotic.

 

[TraderPatTX]

I bet you think the government made an ammendment to the constitution to allow the people to fight itself. Only a conservative would think treason were patriotic.

I'll let the Founders speak for themselves.

A free people ought not only be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government.
-George Washington

The constitutions of most of our States assert that all power is inherent in the people; that... it is their right and duty to be at all times armed.
-Thomas Jefferson

Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote!
-Benjamin Franklin

Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined…. The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able might have a gun.
-Patrick Henry

The supposed quietude of a good man allures the ruffian; while on the other hand, arms, like law, discourage and keep the invader and the plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property. The balance ofpower is the scale of peace. The same balance would be preserved were all the world destitute of arms, for all would be alike; but since some will not, others dare not lay them aside. And while a single nation refuses to lay them down, it is proper that all should keep them up. Horrid mischief would ensue were one-half the world deprived of the use of them; for while avarice and ambition have a place in the heart of man, the weak will become a prey to the strong. The history of every age and nation establishes these truths, and facts need but little arguments when they prove themselves.
-Thomas Paine

And that the said Constitution be never construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the press, or the rights of conscience; or to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms; or to raise standing armies, unless necessary for the defense of the United States, or of some one or more of them; or to prevent the people from petitioning, in a peaceable and orderly manner, the federal legislature, for a redress of grievances; or to subject the people to unreasonable searches and seizures of their persons, papers or possessions.
-Samuel Adams

If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no resource left but in the exertion of that original right of self-defense which is paramount to all positive forms of government, and which against the usurpations of the national rulers, may be exerted with infinitely better prospect of success than against those of the rulers of an individual state. In a single state, if the persons intrusted with supreme power become usurpers, the different parcels, subdivisions, or districts of which it consists, having no distinct government in each, can take no regular measures for defense. The citizens must rush tumultuously to arms, without concert, without system, without resource; except in their courage and despair.
-Alexander Hamilton

(C)onceived it to be the privilege of every citizen, and one of his most essential rights, to bear arms, and to resist every attack upon his liberty or property, by whomsoever made. The particular States, like private citizens, have a right to be armed, and to defend by force of arms, their rights, when invaded.
-Roger Sherman

The people are not to be disarmed of their weapons. They are left in full possession of them.
-Zachariah Johnson

 

[Mythrandir]

With all of the discourse regarding propaganda, I thought this video may be relevant since brother Dayz and brother Brad discuss domestic psychological warfare. It's a two hour long video that will likely require a few sessions to complete, but it's a fun and interesting discussion.

Spoiler: Video

Previewing my post suggests that the video is not available unless watching directly on YouTube. I'm not sure why that is.

 

[J-Machine]

I'll let the Founders speak for themselves.

A free people ought not only be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government.
-George Washington

The constitutions of most of our States assert that all power is inherent in the people; that... it is their right and duty to be at all times armed.
-Thomas Jefferson

Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote!
-Benjamin Franklin

Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined…. The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able might have a gun.
-Patrick Henry

The supposed quietude of a good man allures the ruffian; while on the other hand, arms, like law, discourage and keep the invader and the plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property. The balance ofpower is the scale of peace. The same balance would be preserved were all the world destitute of arms, for all would be alike; but since some will not, others dare not lay them aside. And while a single nation refuses to lay them down, it is proper that all should keep them up. Horrid mischief would ensue were one-half the world deprived of the use of them; for while avarice and ambition have a place in the heart of man, the weak will become a prey to the strong. The history of every age and nation establishes these truths, and facts need but little arguments when they prove themselves.
-Thomas Paine

And that the said Constitution be never construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the press, or the rights of conscience; or to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms; or to raise standing armies, unless necessary for the defense of the United States, or of some one or more of them; or to prevent the people from petitioning, in a peaceable and orderly manner, the federal legislature, for a redress of grievances; or to subject the people to unreasonable searches and seizures of their persons, papers or possessions.
-Samuel Adams

If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no resource left but in the exertion of that original right of self-defense which is paramount to all positive forms of government, and which against the usurpations of the national rulers, may be exerted with infinitely better prospect of success than against those of the rulers of an individual state. In a single state, if the persons intrusted with supreme power become usurpers, the different parcels, subdivisions, or districts of which it consists, having no distinct government in each, can take no regular measures for defense. The citizens must rush tumultuously to arms, without concert, without system, without resource; except in their courage and despair.
-Alexander Hamilton

(C)onceived it to be the privilege of every citizen, and one of his most essential rights, to bear arms, and to resist every attack upon his liberty or property, by whomsoever made. The particular States, like private citizens, have a right to be armed, and to defend by force of arms, their rights, when invaded.
-Roger Sherman

The people are not to be disarmed of their weapons. They are left in full possession of them.
-Zachariah Johnson

this was for defending against invaders, not your fellow man. we have a USA history class up here in canada and let me tell ya; your country really sucks at interpreting it's own past

 

[TraderPatTX]

this was for defending against invaders, not your fellow man. we have a USA history class up here in canada and let me tell ya; your country really sucks at interpreting it's own past

Can you at least back your claim up with a quote? I'm not going to take the word of somebody who still bows to a king and whose prime minister parades around in blackface.

 

[J-Machine]

Can you at least back your claim up with a quote? I'm not going to take the word of somebody who still bows to a king and whose prime minister parades around in blackface.

https://www.teachforamerica.org/one-day/magazine/when-will-history-be-taught-honestly

also we don't bow to the king. we have a representative of the monarchy that has no real power and acts merely as an observer in our politics

 

[TraderPatTX]

https://www.teachforamerica.org/one-day/magazine/when-will-history-be-taught-honestly

also we don't bow to the king. we have a representative of the monarchy that has no real power and acts merely as an observer in our politics

There wasn't a single quote from any Founder or anybody who helped write or ratify the Bill of Rights.

Maybe you are French-Canadian and English is your second language?

 

[J-Machine]

There wasn't a single quote from any Founder or anybody who helped write or ratify the Bill of Rights.

Maybe you are French-Canadian and English is your second language?

if your country refuses to get colombus right it's not a stretch to believe they got the wars wrong or the founding fathers. but hey i'll indulge:

 

[TraderPatTX]

if your country refuses to get colombus right it's not a stretch to believe they got the wars wrong or the founding fathers. but hey i'll indulge:

Look up who was considered part of the militia in 1791. It was every able bodied male citizen.

The Continental Army and Navy was made up of private ownership of arms and warships.

Arms = any kind of weapon, not even necessarily a gun

Go read the quotes from the Founders that I shared earlier. There is a reason why your video neglected to mention their thoughts on the subject. The same reason why you neglect to mention their thoughts on the subject.

If circumstances should at any time oblige the government to form an army of any magnitude that army can never be formidable to the liberties of the people while there is a large body of citizens, little, if at all, inferior to them in discipline and the use of arms, who stand ready to defend their own rights and those of their fellow-citizens. This appears to me the only substitute that can be devised for a standing army, and the best possible security against it, if it should exist.

-Alexander Hamilton
No. 29 - The Federalist Papers (1787–1788)

 

[J-Machine]

Look up who was considered part of the militia in 1791. It was every able bodied male citizen.

The Continental Army and Navy was made up of private ownership of arms and warships.

Arms = any kind of weapon, not even necessarily a gun

Go read the quotes from the Founders that I shared earlier. There is a reason why your video neglected to mention their thoughts on the subject. The same reason why you neglect to mention their thoughts on the subject.

If circumstances should at any time oblige the government to form an army of any magnitude that army can never be formidable to the liberties of the people while there is a large body of citizens, little, if at all, inferior to them in discipline and the use of arms, who stand ready to defend their own rights and those of their fellow-citizens. This appears to me the only substitute that can be devised for a standing army, and the best possible security against it, if it should exist.

-Alexander Hamilton
No. 29 - The Federalist Papers (1787–1788)

all that quote means is the military is not allowed to coup the gov and become the ruling party. the nra really has you drinking the cool aid

 

[WeedZ]

I'll let the Founders speak for themselves.

A free people ought not only be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government.
-George Washington

The constitutions of most of our States assert that all power is inherent in the people; that... it is their right and duty to be at all times armed.
-Thomas Jefferson

Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote!
-Benjamin Franklin

Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined…. The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able might have a gun.
-Patrick Henry

The supposed quietude of a good man allures the ruffian; while on the other hand, arms, like law, discourage and keep the invader and the plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property. The balance ofpower is the scale of peace. The same balance would be preserved were all the world destitute of arms, for all would be alike; but since some will not, others dare not lay them aside. And while a single nation refuses to lay them down, it is proper that all should keep them up. Horrid mischief would ensue were one-half the world deprived of the use of them; for while avarice and ambition have a place in the heart of man, the weak will become a prey to the strong. The history of every age and nation establishes these truths, and facts need but little arguments when they prove themselves.
-Thomas Paine

And that the said Constitution be never construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the press, or the rights of conscience; or to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms; or to raise standing armies, unless necessary for the defense of the United States, or of some one or more of them; or to prevent the people from petitioning, in a peaceable and orderly manner, the federal legislature, for a redress of grievances; or to subject the people to unreasonable searches and seizures of their persons, papers or possessions.
-Samuel Adams

If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no resource left but in the exertion of that original right of self-defense which is paramount to all positive forms of government, and which against the usurpations of the national rulers, may be exerted with infinitely better prospect of success than against those of the rulers of an individual state. In a single state, if the persons intrusted with supreme power become usurpers, the different parcels, subdivisions, or districts of which it consists, having no distinct government in each, can take no regular measures for defense. The citizens must rush tumultuously to arms, without concert, without system, without resource; except in their courage and despair.
-Alexander Hamilton

(C)onceived it to be the privilege of every citizen, and one of his most essential rights, to bear arms, and to resist every attack upon his liberty or property, by whomsoever made. The particular States, like private citizens, have a right to be armed, and to defend by force of arms, their rights, when invaded.
-Roger Sherman

The people are not to be disarmed of their weapons. They are left in full possession of them.
-Zachariah Johnson

In the 1780's the US was a newly born country under threat of European monarchs. It didn't have, nor could afford, a standing army. The 2nd amendment was to ensure that armed citizens could be called on to form militia under regulation by the government to fight on its behalf. When they say that it includes the right of people to fight their own government, they are talking about those still immigrating from those monarchs (as in their homeland governments). To think that an infant country, still frail and under threat from every European tyrant would suggest that its people overthrow them with force of firearms is absolute lunacy.

 

[TraderPatTX]

In the 1780's the US was a newly born country under threat of European monarchs. It didn't have, nor could afford, a standing army. The 2nd amendment was to ensure that armed citizens could be called on to form militia under regulation by the government to fight on its behalf. When they say that it includes the right of people to fight their own government, they are talking about those still immigrating from those monarchs (as in their homeland governments). To think that an infant country, still frail and under threat from every European tyrant would suggest that its people overthrow them with force of firearms is absolute lunacy.

All that you need to do now is provide a quote from a Founder to back up your claim. It's real easy to do, as I have already shown. I'll even repost one because you obviously didn't read any of the quotes I shared.

A free people ought not only be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government.
-George Washington

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In the 1780's the US was a newly born country under threat of European monarchs. It didn't have, nor could afford, a standing army. The 2nd amendment was to ensure that armed citizens could be called on to form militia under regulation by the government to fight on its behalf. When they say that it includes the right of people to fight their own government, they are talking about those still immigrating from those monarchs (as in their homeland governments). To think that an infant country, still frail and under threat from every European tyrant would suggest that its people overthrow them with force of firearms is absolute lunacy.

All that you need to do now is provide a quote from a Founder to back up your claim. It's real easy to do, as I have already shown. I'll even repost one because you obviously didn't read any of the quotes I shared.

A free people ought not only be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government.
-George Washington

 

[WeedZ]

All that you need to do now is provide a quote from a Founder to back up your claim. It's real easy to do, as I have already shown. I'll even repost one because you obviously didn't read any of the quotes I shared.

A free people ought not only be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government.
-George Washington

In the 1780's the US was a newly born country under threat of European monarchs. It didn't have, nor could afford, a standing army. The 2nd amendment was to ensure that armed citizens could be called on to form militia under regulation by the government to fight on its behalf. When they say that it includes the right of people to fight their own government, they are talking about those still immigrating from those monarchs (as in their homeland governments). To think that an infant country, still frail and under threat from every European tyrant would suggest that its people overthrow them with force of firearms is absolute lunacy.

 

[TraderPatTX]

In the 1780's the US was a newly born country under threat of European monarchs. It didn't have, nor could afford, a standing army. The 2nd amendment was to ensure that armed citizens could be called on to form militia under regulation by the government to fight on its behalf. When they say that it includes the right of people to fight their own government, they are talking about those still immigrating from those monarchs (as in their homeland governments). To think that an infant country, still frail and under threat from every European tyrant would suggest that its people overthrow them with force of firearms is absolute lunacy.

Pay particular attention to the bolded and underlined part. Also note that it is a quote from George Washington, the first president in this newly born country.

All that you need to do now is provide a quote from a Founder to back up your claim. It's real easy to do, as I have already shown. I'll even repost one because you obviously didn't read any of the quotes I shared.

A free people ought not only be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government.
-George Washington

 

[Smoker1]

As per the Supreme Court, looking at the History and the Text of the Amendment......

The 2nd Amendment was Established, so that The People, which is EVERYONE in the US, has the Right to Protect, and Defend themselves, their Families, their Homes, others, and if needed, Protect this Country from Threats both Foreign and Domestic, to keep this Country Free, and for The People. Meaning to keep this Country Free and Secure from other Countries, like how it was with England wanting to Rule over the People, and also, to ensure the Country remains Free, make sure the People can stand up against the Government, if they ever decide to force their will against the People, stripping us of our Rights, and trying to Rule over us with a Iron Fist.

Also Love how some Officials support only some Amendments, but want to completely ignore, or want to get rid of others. Like Republicans wanting to do a Abortion Ban, because it is against their Religion, which would Violate the 1st Amendment, in where No Law Establishing Religion.......MEANING any Laws forcing or pushing Religious Views or Beliefs are Null and Void. It was known how Religion can go against People's Rights. Hence why it was put in there, but also includes that People can follow whichever Religion they want. But then again, that Abortion Ban also is making Men Dominant over Women, when Women can do damn near anything a Man can, so they should be viewed as Equals.

But you have this Idiot, trying to put out there that the 2nd Amendment was for the Rich. Well, the Text reads, "...The People....." so.....he is saying that the Rich are the People only, huh? So what does that make us???? Dirt????? Less than Dirt??????

 

[WeedZ]

Pay particular attention to the bolded and underlined part. Also note that it is a quote from George Washington, the first president in this newly born country.

All that you need to do now is provide a quote from a Founder to back up your claim. It's real easy to do, as I have already shown. I'll even repost one because you obviously didn't read any of the quotes I shared.

A free people ought not only be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government.
-George Washington

YOU'RE not accounting for the time.

Let me slow this down for you..

Its late 1770s. You are an English man, born and ruled over by king George. You sail to the new world. A land mostly unsettled without any centralized rule. You hope to find freedom and eventually you meet George Washington.

He says to you, "Good form 'ol chap. We could surely use thyself amongst our ranks in our most righteous rebellion against the crown, cheerio."

"But good sir!" You reply. "My allegiance is with the great majesty the king! I am a man of England. Though I have come to be free, I haven't the fortitude nor the armaments to assist you in such a noble feat. Simple English folk aren't allowed to carry glocks all willy nilly."

So George replies "You daft fool, A free people ought not only be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government."

Now what government to do you think he's referring to?

 

[tabzer]

You have not responded to anything I've said. Just trying to save face because you misquoted it as "regulated by the state". Maybe you should own up to not knowing what you're talking about, then learn and grow as a person. Instead of sticking to your ignorant naive guns and being an annoying bigoted pain in ass to everyone.

I wasn't quoting the second amendment. I was attempting to explain it. Yes, militia is to be regulated by the state (not only Ohio), raised from a people who are free to bear arms, to contribute to the security and the freedom of the nation (bottom-up). It isn't, as you suggest, a centralized authority saying who can carry what guns while enlisted in their army (top-down). Also, guns aren't naive. They have no will at all.

It isn't racist or bigoted to point out racism in America. I don't care what race Brittney is, as she was a bad trade regardless. American policies demonstrably do care about people's races and it isn't a stretch to assume that America hasn't stopped its identity politics campaign just for this situation. I'm astutely arguing that to assume that America has turned a new leaf and dropped identity politics is the stretch. To believe that everything your government says is true, that doubt and criticism is propaganda, is just moronic. Maybe you are afraid of your government and you think that whoring yourself out to it is better than possibly being branded a "traitor". TBF, I don't blame you, but it is pathetic.

Let me know if I forgot to address something.

 

[J-Machine]

As per the Supreme Court, looking at the History and the Text of the Amendment......

The 2nd Amendment was Established, so that The People, which is EVERYONE in the US, has the Right to Protect, and Defend themselves, their Families, their Homes, others, and if needed, Protect this Country from Threats both Foreign and Domestic, to keep this Country Free, and for The People. Meaning to keep this Country Free and Secure from other Countries, like how it was with England wanting to Rule over the People, and also, to ensure the Country remains Free, make sure the People can stand up against the Government, if they ever decide to force their will against the People, stripping us of our Rights, and trying to Rule over us with a Iron Fist.

Also Love how some Officials support only some Amendments, but want to completely ignore, or want to get rid of others. Like Republicans wanting to do a Abortion Ban, because it is against their Religion, which would Violate the 1st Amendment, in where No Law Establishing Religion.......MEANING any Laws forcing or pushing Religious Views or Beliefs are Null and Void. It was known how Religion can go against People's Rights. Hence why it was put in there, but also includes that People can follow whichever Religion they want. But then again, that Abortion Ban also is making Men Dominant over Women, when Women can do damn near anything a Man can, so they should be viewed as Equals.

But you have this Idiot, trying to put out there that the 2nd Amendment was for the Rich. Well, the Text reads, "...The People....." so.....he is saying that the Rich are the People only, huh? So what does that make us???? Dirt????? Less than Dirt??????

the people who actually study the documents of that time would disagree with the supreme courts decision. if the argument was "does the 2nd ammendment currently mean everyone can carry a gun to defend themselves?" the answer is yes but only very recently. the argument though is what did the fore fathers mean when they wrote the second amendment and what they meant was "we can give people guns and make them fight the British to assert our freedom of rule."