UPDATE: Regarding the recent 3DS banwave

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It appears that users are being banned from 3DS online services, en masse. There's no direct cause right now, and seemingly no linking factor. This post is meant as an announcement for users, to be wary, and that GBAtemp will keep you updated as soon as more info rolls in. If you have been banned, please post in the thread below, and we will try to keep tabs on the situation. To be extra sure, it can't hurt to turn off your 3DS's wireless capabilities, so you might as well do that for now.

Edit 1: it appears that e-Shop access isn't restricted if you are banned.

Edit 2: A caller to Nintendo reported that the company said this ban is due to "unauthorized software usage".

Edit 3: @LinkSoraZelda is collecting info. Contact him if you are banned.

Edit 4: Click and fill this out if you were BANNED.

Edit 5:
[11:28:19 PM] Clector: Curiously the page of that error in Nintendo Support website used to have this:Error Code: 002-0102 Situation: You receive the error code 002-0102 when attempting to connect online. What to Do: If you continue to experience this issue, please contact Nintendo by calling 1-800-255-3700. Representatives are available from 6 a.m. to 7 p.m., Pacific Time, 7 days a week.
[11:28:44 PM] Clector: Now it says this: What to Do: If you are experiencing this error code, your Nintendo 3DS family system has been banned due to unauthorized system modifications, play of unauthorized versions of one or more games, and/or connecting to the official game servers in violation of our terms of service. This ban is effective immediately and requests to remove the ban will not be processed.
Thanks to @Joom

Edit 6: Aurora Wright is taking another poll here

Edit 7: Not a lot is known but

There are bans happening, they are happening in all regions.
All models in the 3ds family seem to be candidates for banning.
There is no indication they will be anything other than permanent.
A game or DLC may end up being a cause but there is no one game or DLC that ties banned users together.
The cause or causes are as yet unknown, though it does seem to be related to modifications. Reports of unmodified consoles being banned are as yet unproven.
The banning is tied to something you can modify, thus you can unban. Doing it while the causes are unknown is likely only going to burn a working token though.
There are semi public tokens out there, Nintendo knows how to browse a forum as well as you so don't be surprised if they also get banned.
It does not seem to be limited to a given base firmware version, it does not seem to be limited to any one custom firmware type. There is some speculation that older hacking methods are not being hit as hard but nothing to confirm this yet.
The data collection could have happened this morning, or it could have been months in the making.
A simple check to see is checking your friends list, by itself it will not ban you.
Some are turning their wifi off. It is doubtful this will be of much use and being banned does not seem to come with any downsides that wifi being off will not also mimic.
You may have escaped a ban thus far but it could happen at any point. It could be that they stop in the future, it has happened on other consoles, but you would be living in hope rather than any particularly well founded logic.
The bans are done on the side of Nintendo's servers rather than your 3ds so there is also that.

If you hack your devices/games then their online functionality may be troubled. This has been known for decades, Nintendo seems to have finally caught up with that.

Please continue to share information with the thread or the links in previous edits.

Update 5/30

HOW TO HELP AVOID BANS (we think)​

If I was to guess from the information we have gathered since the ban wave, it seems likely that they are looking for TitleIDs that don't exist. Homebrew shows up in the activity log as the Download Play app, and fake CIA's show up as just ??????. That last one is what I'm guessing they are looking for.

If you are not banned yet or before you unban yourself, go into your friends list, choose settings, and turn off the option to "show friends what game you are playing." This will prevent you from playing games online with friends, so turn it back on when you wanna game with someone, but ALWAYS keep it off when running custom CIAs. Next, go into system settings -> internet settings -> spotpass, and turn off BOTH options. One is auto download software, the other sends system information to Nintendo. Also, make sure you don't have your favorite title set to something stupid like FBI or any other non-Nintendo CIA.

Its VERY likely that these options are what tipped off Nintendo, but we aren't 100% certain yet. The amount of banned people that had one of these options turned on was over 80% for each. If I was to assume that some of those people overlap, its very possible (but not confirmed) that 100% of banned people in the survey had at least one of those options turned on. I personally had all of them off and I have TONS of reasons for Nintendo to ban me.... yet I am not banned (yet).

Another bit of advice: Only run custom CIAs when offline, and after you close them, run a "legit" game like Smash Bros. or something before shutting down or going back online. This way your most recent title won't show up as a fake CIA

Current Theories as to what causes a ban
* SpotPass Settings: 8 users out of 46 users that were banned have SpotPass completely shut off, or SpotPass only (no friends list visibility)
* Firmware Version (Luma, Nintendo): Literally all reports ranged from 10.2+, I can get exact numbers for this if you'd like, but all firmwares were affected.
* Firmware Type (A9LH, B9S): 44 of the 126 B9S users that answered were banned, pattern was mirrored for A9LH users as well.
* Homebrew Titles such as FBI, HBL, Luma Updater, Themely, and freeShop: Literally about 98% of users both banned and unbanned had some combination of these applications installed. However the common ones were: FBI, HBL, LumaUpdater and NTR.
* Save Modification: Equal amounts of users on both sides have reported save modification in some form, either with PKSM or another save editor
* System Transfers: 188 users said that they had not previously system transfered, 61 of those users were banned; 16 users said they transferred from a hacked console, only three of them received a ban; 13 said they transferred from a stock system and likewise were banned. The rest of our sample did not answer this question.
* Activity Log Information: A majority of those who have not been banned have said they had NOT cleaned their activity logs. I can get exact numbers for this too on request.

This information is just what I've found. Like I said, there could be variables or things we haven't even checked for yet. But these are things that I feel should be disproven, at least with the current dataset we have.

  • From the information that we've gathered from some people that have used a packet sniffer such as WireShark, the following data is sent to Nintendo's online gaming servers as soon as the 3DS connects to the internet:
    • Amount of time spent online (timer stops when either the system is disconnected from the internet, or connection drops out, then starts the timer again in a new session when it reconnects to the internet).
    • The game being played and amount of time spent on it during that session.
    • The console's unique hexadecimal ID used in the LocalFriendCodeSeedB, along with it's RSA-signed signature.
    • The console's serial number in which is broadcasted from the SoC and is hard coded in the SoC.
    • Friend Code generated on the Nintendo 3DS system, if one has been generated.
    • Internet connection status (either online or offline).
    • The Nintendo Network ID, if there is one linked to it.
    • Even if the sending of SpotPass Information is switched off, or even hiding your currently playing games. It does not prevent the system from sending currently playing information to Nintendo's online gaming servers, it only hides it from your friends in your friend list (like being invisible on the forum, while mods and admins can still see you). Why? Because even people without a Friend Code on their system have been getting banned too!

  • The following data is NOT sent to Nintendo's online gaming servers:
    • The data from the Nintendo 3DS's Activity Log. Oddly enough, while Nintendo does explicitly state that they collect Activity Log data, they're actually referring to their own server's Activity Log, which always tracks every console's online activity, and keeps a record of them that is stored forever. And is only collected in increments of data through a timer and a currently playing list.
    • Games or apps that have not been played, regardless if they're legitimate or not. You only get tracked when you're online and using that game or app.
    • Using games or apps while offline. Even though it is stored on the 3DS console's Activity Log, that data is NOT sent to Nintendo's online gaming servers.
    • Custom Firmware. Though we can't rule out the possibility of them releasing a 3DS update in the future that adds such function to collect MD5 hashes of files and FIRM data and send them to Nintendo online gaming servers (which would also be updated in a maintenance).

  • Things that people think what happens with consoles, but really doesn't:
    • "LocalFriendCodeSeedB is transferred to the system upon doing a system transfer". This is false, the LocalFriendCodeSeedB remains on the system and does not move to another system.
    • "The console generates a LocalFriendCodeSeedB upon first startup". Again, this is false, the LocalFriendCodeSeedB is made during the manufacturing process at Foxconn. It is generated at the factory, flashed to the NAND flash memory storage, then created as an account on Nintendo's online gaming server and Nintendo eShop server immediately when being manufactured. It is absolutely impossible to generate a LocalFriendCodeSeedB and be able to connect to Nintendo's online gaming server and/or Nintendo eShop server, even if you knew the RSA generation key for it. You'd end up with Error Code 002-0102 "This console's online services have been restricted by Nintendo" if you even tried (the error can either mean two things: The hexadecimal ID doesn't exist on the server, or the request to access the hexadecimal ID has been denied which in other words... banned). So a LocalFriendCodeSeedB generator will NEVER happen! Because it's not worth doing, if it can't connect.
    • Switching off "Currently Playing" information. Once again, this does not hide your online activity from Nintendo's online gaming server, it only hides it from your friends.
    • Switching off SpotPass. Nope, this too doesn't hide your online activity from Nintendo's online gaming server, it only opts-out of receiving SpotPass data, sorry.

So pretty much the bottom line is, if anyone has been using custom apps and/or titles not installed through Nintendo eShop while online in the past, guess what? You're screwed! And it is only a matter of time before your console's unique hexadecimal ID in the LocalFriendCodeSeedB is banned from Nintendo's online gaming server. This will mean, your console can't access the Friend List or play any online functions in games.

If you have been online while using custom apps and/or titles not installed through Nintendo eShop and haven't been banned yet, that's because Nintendo hasn't caught up to you yet. They're still going through each unique hexadecimal ID's Activity Log on their server, and by Activity Log, I mean the Activity Log on their server, not the 3DS console's activity log. And it will be only a matter of time before you're banned too.

Thanks to @Platinum Lucario @MadMageKefka and @ShadowEO !
 

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Is there any proof? Please link it, thanks ♥

I'm asking the guy who gave me the info.

This is the SpotPass notification I received:

''This information is destined to the users of Nintendo DS programs.
The following functions won't be available when you use Nintendo DS programs:
-StreetPass for Nintendo 3DS programs.
-Data transmission via SpotPass.
-Friend List, notifications, game notes and other functions of Home Menu.

Nintendo''
 

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Sorry, just double checked. One of them is on 1.2 but I havent turned the other one (the new "good" one) on yet cuz I'm too scared lol.
When I turn on the first 3DS, I just get a 002-0119 error, telling me to update my firmware. So is that one not banned?
Hmm so that's a diffrent error code than what everyone else is getting so I'm not sure try using a online feature
 

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Can't confirm anything CFW-wise but as a stock user who uses Homebrew to save edit...

- N3DS, 11.4
- Has never had any sort of CFW on it
- Used Freakyhax like 10 minutes ago to access Homebrew
- Spotpass was turned on, but is now off
- Save edited Pokemon Sun using JKSV
- Went online and traded with a random person
- No ban

Not sure if it is just CFW users because of lack of information, but from what I've read earlier Doodlebomb was a concern? Is that just CFW users or everyone?
 

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Sorry, just double checked. One of them is on 1.2 but I havent turned the other one (the new "good" one) on yet cuz I'm too scared lol.
When I turn on the first 3DS, I just get a 002-0119 error, telling me to update my firmware. So is that one not banned?
Let me rephrase that with a bit more info.

I have an old 3DS on 1.2 with a9lh. Its got a handful of game cia's, emulators, etc installed. I can't remember if I've ever played a game online. I don't think I have. But I've done a few game updates or DLC updates online, directly from the home menu. Dunno if that counts.
I've never used the friends list or anything like that before today. I opened the friends list app for the first time and I got the "update your firmware" error.

Is this still unbanned?
 

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People from Europe, Australia and Japan has been banned as well.

People without Freeshop ever installed has been banned too.

If you're not banned yet, you'll probably be soon.
I'm not saying I won't be banned, I most likely will be. What I was saying is that the ban wave is justified and that things like spotpass most likely aren't the trigger.
 

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Can't confirm anything CFW-wise but as a stock user who uses Homebrew to save edit...

- N3DS, 11.4
- Has never had any sort of CFW on it
- Used Freakyhax like 10 minutes ago to access Homebrew
- Spotpass was turned on, but is now off
- Save edited Pokemon Sun using JKSV
- Went online and traded with a random person
- No ban

Not sure if it is just CFW users because of lack of information, but from what I've read earlier Doodlebomb was a concern? Is that just CFW users or everyone?

I never heard of/used doodlethingie and got banned still. cfw 11.4
 

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The majority of banned users didn't only connect once and going online to check it doesnt mean they have never been online before, which is I believe it could be a banlist.

Except we don't know what the criteria is for being put on the ban list. If they are going back as far as possible and if it only takes one "detection" to be banned then you are right but those are some pretty big "ifs". It is entirely possible that it requires that you still be detected having those titles installed sometime after the 22nd for to be banned and if that is the case, then merely going online to check could result in being banned as not only do you have to turn off all sharing/collection, but block the sending of the homemenu extdata which I don't think anyone has done.
 

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Hmm so that's a diffrent error code than what everyone else is getting so I'm not sure try using a online feature
The thing is, if I'm on 11.2 then what online features can I use? On the odd occasion in the past when I had to go online briefly for something, I've used ctr-httpawn. I'm afraid to use that now cuz I guess there's a chance it could trigger the ban, seeing how I shouldn't be able to go online without updating.
 

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I suppose I may as well put down more information
- New 3DS with Luma3DS (dunno which version) and al9h
- Had CFW installed on April 29th
- Aside from FBI, Luma Updater, and Homebrew Launcher, I also have a Doom port, CHMM, PKSM (which I hadn't launched yet) and I think two other applications I can't remember
- Also have a bunch of Retroarch emulators and GameYob. I did install CIAs from... unmentionable sites for two Puyo Puyo games, but that was largely so that I could wait until I get a Switch and Puyo Puyo Tetris
- I have never used Freeshop, and have never head of this "Doodlebomb" thing before until now
- Also I had all Spotpass stuff enabled since then until just last night when I found out about this, which was probably a bit of a bad decision on my part

Really wish I had waited just a month longer to get CFW
Guess all I can do for now is hope I get lucky

EDIT: one more thing
- Haven't played a game online since just before that Pokemon Sun/Moon banwave happened
 
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lol THANK YOU xD finally some logic and reason
Yeah, but I edited it a bit and took out alll the grammar mistakes, cause I wrote it verry fast and I'm German. But Yeah, I can't understand why people can't stay offline for a week. Think they don't have a life. But yeah... Luckily I got a seed that is nearly unused, and all 4 people who got it won't use it untill we can circumvent the ban. So I'm save with this file I think :)
 

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Except we don't know what the criteria is for being put on the ban list. If they are going back as far as possible and if it only takes one "detection" to be banned then you are right but those are some pretty big "ifs". It is entirely possible that it requires that you still be detected having those titles installed sometime after the 22nd for to be banned and if that is the case, then merely going online to check could result in being banned as not only do you have to turn off all sharing/collection, but block the sending of the homemenu extdata which I don't think anyone has done.
Having installed any CFW seems to qualify you for a ban, so this is the only confirmed cause we have so far. Tbh we don't have any ban requirements except this.
A ban list would make sense if you think about them collecting data, but there are still some inconsistencies, but unless another theory seems more plausible, I'll stick to the banlist lol
 

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This may be a really stupid question but if my 2ds gets banned, would the value from my broken 3ds work or is it specific to model? Please don't bash me for being a noob, this is how noobs learn.
 

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Having installed any CFW seems to qualify you for a ban, so this is the only confirmed cause we have so far. Tbh we don't have any ban requirements except this.
A ban list would make sense if you think about them collecting data, but there are still some inconsistencies, but unless another theory seems more plausible, I'll stick to the banlist lol
CFW seems to be fine. Having installed any illegimate CIAs seems to qualify instead. There is not a single reported case of having CFW without FBI. (Though most of CFW users do have FBI because it's part of the guide)
 

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After checking and playing all day on these four USA units NO BANS YET:

O3DS 1&2: Luma - bs9 - 11.4 - Both still online (both can see each other online in friend list) - ACNL editing- no longer sending data to nintendo

O3DS 3: Luma - a9lh - 11.3 - Still online (sister uses primarily for youtube) - likely still sending data to nintendo

O2DS 4: Luma - a9lh - 11.4 - Son's unit so i haven't checked, but still shows up as online in my friend list - likely still sending data to nintendo

We all use CIAngel to "acquire" new software, HBLL Installed, FBI too. One (mine) was dg'd with GW once.

I use the router method only, to block updates to the 3DSs and Wii U.
 
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I've been lucky so far, both my O3DS and N3DS are still working online.
I have edited saves for lots of games and I've always had Spotpass sending of information turned off on both devices.
Keeping my fingers crossed! :unsure:
 

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Okay, so I'm still using ancient Sys 9.2 with Homebrew into Emu 11.4 setup (NANDs are unlinked). Also never used FBI (Devmenu instead), FreeShop/fork of it or out of region games. The Sending Information to Ninty was always turned off. However I did save edit some games at some point and cheated with NTR, but offline. As of now i'm still unbanned. Is anyone here with a similar situation who got banned?

I'm also have sys in 9.2 with homebrew access to emunand in 11.4 and i don't use fbi or freeshop and i'm not banned. I'm also curious if anyone like us has been banned?
 

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CFW seems to be fine. Having installed any illegimate CIAs seems to qualify instead. There is not a single reported case of having CFW without FBI. (Though most of CFW users do have FBI because it's part of the guide)
True, but when I say CFW, I mean going through the guide and having installed FBI, sorry.
Although I think there was someone claiming to be banned without CFW at all.
 
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I really wish there could be a way to evade the bans without switching 3DS consoles. I'm happy with the Zelda new 3DS XL I have right now, and although I do have a non-CFW old 3DS, that console has been out of commission for a little over a year because the charger port in the console is no longer functioning

As far as I know, removing CFW now and letting Nintendo collect the data showing it is no longer on your 3DS doesn't change anything
 

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Ha another crazy idea. Lots of people here are friends. Maybe thats how they took out somw kind of network?
 

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