The Pirate Support Thread

[xxNathanxx]

And I pirate because I'm poor, see how those things are related? That's why I assumed that I'm a loser too.
I wrote WANT because I agree that it isn't something I need as I explained in my post. And no I didn't contradict anything, I said that even if work and time for work was available I would still choose to study full time.

But you aren't studying full-time, you're playing games.

And really it isn't as simple as going to the grocery store asking if there's something I can help them with. Work hours would coincide with school hours and I don't even have a fucking car to get anywhere yet. It really is that horrible when it comes to work opportunities, I tried last summer to find something without luck. Hence why I'm partially pirating.

I'm not saying you should get a job during the week, that's ridiculous. A Saturday job where you do the dishes at a local restaurant (or do whatever at a grocery store) and get paid €8-10 per hour goes a long way. You don't need a car, a bicycle will do fine (unless you live on one side of a huge city and need to get to the other side).

And no I don't feel entitled to own that kind of entertainment, but I'm able to and really why shouldn't I take advantage? No one is losing anything, I already buy things I can afford anyway.
I'm just saying that I'm not agreeing with you that all pirates are egocentric losers.(I really don't think any kind of pirate is that but that's besides the point)
Hope you understand what I'm trying to say.

The people who made the content you are pirating aren't losing income? Okay.

 

[the_randomizer]

Mostly stopped due to 3DS.

However old systems even require you to, due to enourmous Ebay prices.

Mostly stopped due to 3DS.

You and me both, well, except the 3DS part, but as for the older systems, I confess that I have *ahem* more Snes games than I should, but I mostly blame the Virtual Console, or rather, the lack of the games I really wanted to purchase at a reasonable price. It's actually the main reason I hacked my Wii back when it was known as the Twilight Princess hack, mostly because it took them a millennium to add Chrono Trigger and Final Fantasy 6 (among others) to the VC roster, not to mention refusal to add Earthbound (the real offender for copyright "violations"). The prices on eBay are way to exorbitant to justify their purchase, and why should I give someone who charges >$100 the money for used copy of Chrono Trigger that has a damaged label and no longer has a working SRAM battery? In the case of games that are not on the VC, no one but second-hand sellers generate revenue.

Newer games (i.e anything past the 16-bit era), I don't pirate, especially PC games, but I have patches for Ubisoft games that require a constant internet connection (seeing as my current ISP is slow) but I do legally own the games in question. I see nothing immoral about removing DRM from a game you legally own, but that's just me. Movies? I don't pirate those either, I used to a long time ago, but I see no point in doing so.

 

[DCG]

but for the smaller ones - and for the artists - this is a problem. How are they supposed to earn money when you don't pay for their work?

Notice how new musicians (god darned not working autocorect) are putting their stuff on the web for zipp and make money from concerts :/
Example:
The sales of dance music albums in NL have decreased by 70%.
The sales of tickets to said concerts have increased by 70%
(it was in the news)

Game developers are a different breed.
But would you pirate all the indie games?
No. caus you know it when you see one you like (and then you will pay for it)

Edit.
WHAHAHA.
You do know he's from sweden, right?
Some places are way more remote than germany and could even be dangerous to travel trough without a car...

 

[Just Another Gamer]

But you aren't studying full-time, you're playing games.

Dude really?

 

[emigre]

I pirate with pride.

We need a pirate pride parade.

 

[the_randomizer]

Crap, can't edit post, this is what I meant to say in response to pasc,

You and me both, well, except the 3DS part, but as for the older systems, I confess that I have *ahem* more Snes games than I should, but I mostly blame the Virtual Console, or rather, the lack of the games I really wanted to purchase at a reasonable price. It's actually the main reason I hacked my Wii back when it was known as the Twilight Princess hack, mostly because it took them a millennium to add Chrono Trigger and Final Fantasy 6 (among others) to the VC roster, not to mention refusal to add Earthbound (the real offender for copyright "violations"). The prices on eBay are way to exorbitant to justify their purchase, and why should I give someone who charges >$100 the money for used copy of Chrono Trigger that has a damaged label and no longer has a working SRAM battery? In the case of games that are not on the VC, no one but second-hand sellers generate revenue.

Newer games (i.e anything past the 16-bit era), I don't pirate, especially PC games, but I have patches for Ubisoft games that require a constant internet connection (seeing as my current ISP is slow) but I do legally own the games in question. I see nothing immoral about removing DRM from a game you legally own, but that's just me. Movies? I don't pirate those either, I used to a long time ago, but I see no point in doing so.

 

[xxNathanxx]

Piracy doesn't affect any industry as much as the public perception come to assume and alot of indie games are priced reasonably which is why I would be happy to buy them so I don't think those smaller artists need to worry but its when devs/artists or whatever seem to think they can slap on any price tag they want and get away with it then makes people rather pirate then buy the product.

'The public perception' is something pirates make up so they don't feel bad about what they're doing.

If you don't want to support an artist or developer because you think they steeply overcharge for their products, just don't get the product! Don't buy it, but don't pirate it either!

 

[JulietStMoon]

But you aren't studying full-time, you're playing games.

I think you need to re-evaluate your definition of "full-time studying." That would be like saying I don't work full time because "I'm playing games," even though I'm working more than 40 hours a week.

 

[xxNathanxx]

Notice how new musicians (god darned not working autocorect) are putting their stuff on the web for zipp and make money from concerts :/
Example:
The sales of dance music albums in NL have decreased by 70%.
The sales of tickets to said concerts have increased by 70%
(it was in the news)

Game developers are a different breed.
But would you pirate all the indie games?
No. caus you know it when you see one you like (and then you will pay for it)

Edit.
WHAHAHA.
You do know he's from sweden, right?
Some places are way more remote than germany and could even be dangerous to travel trough without a car...

For popular artists this isn't a problem because they earn enough money anyway through various sources. Less popular artists CAN NOT survive (by survive, I mean, continue doing what they do) without the income generated by sales of their albums on Bandcamp or similar.

Holy fuck, you can't tell the Belgian flag from the German one?

 

[Just Another Gamer]

'The public perception' is something pirates make up so they don't feel bad about what they're doing.

If you don't want to support an artist or developer because you think they steeply overcharge for their products, just don't get the product! Don't buy it, but don't pirate it either!

Lol, this is hilarious. Companies want to profit and when hey put out the stats on how piracy affects them its always exaggerated to make it look like its a big problem when in reality it isn't but I doubt anyone would be that stupid to believe that.

And I should listen to that instruction because? Really like I said earlier get off your high horse and expect that by screaming this that people will listen. If people want to overcharge then its their own fault if they profit less because people prefer to pirate it.

 

[DCG]

:/
I just look at the coulors when I quick read something.

(getting tired of you trolling around....)

 

[xxNathanxx]

Lol, this is hilarious. Companies want to profit and when hey put out the stats on how piracy affects them its always exaggerated to make it look like its a big problem when in reality it isn't but I doubt anyone would be that stupid to believe that.

And I should listen to that instruction because? Really like I said earlier get off your high horse and expect that by screaming this that people will listen. If people want to overcharge then its their own fault if they profit less because people prefer to pirate it.

Companies putting out stats on piracy isn't 'the public perception', it's 'the companies' perception'.

Do you not understand that if no one buys or even pirates an artist's overpriced content, perhaps the artist might realise the content is overpriced and will charge less for future releases? By pirating his content you are sending a message, "I like your content but I'm a cunt that doesn't want to pay for it" [in the artist's perception].

 

[BORTZ]

I think its kinda fun to pirate too. I mean, look at all the games i have suddenly

 

[JulietStMoon]

Do you not understand that if no one buys or even pirates an artist's overpriced content, perhaps the artist might realise the content is overpriced and will charge less for future releases? By pirating his content you are sending a message, "I like your content but I'm a cunt that doesn't want to pay for it" [in the artist's perception].

Um... no you don't. By pirating, you're sending the message that "this isn't worth paying that price, to me," and the artist likely would be motivated to lower the price or perhaps offer higher quality content. And who knows, maybe they'll loosen their DRM grip, if they have one.

I'm not saying I think it's right, because I don't. But piracy DEFINITELY doesn't send the message that you think it does.

 

[Treeko]

I don't find piracy a crime,as long as it is used in proper places,I pirate because I think it is okay to an extent,for example you can't find a proper ps1 game on ebay for less than a 100$,these are the situations when I pirate,anyways,@xxNathanxx please also blame some developers now a days who also tend to act like pigs,Capcom anyone?

 

[Just Another Gamer]

Companies putting out stats on piracy isn't 'the public perception', it's 'the companies' perception'.

Do you not understand that if no one buys or even pirates an artist's overpriced content, perhaps the artist might realise the content is overpriced and will charge less for future releases? By pirating his content you are sending a message, "I like your content but I'm a cunt that doesn't want to pay for it" [in the artist's perception].

Replying to a lost cause like you is really giving me a hadache. You do realize that if piracy was called something else like rainbow or unicorn then it wouldn't seem as "evil" as people make it out to be.

Using rational opinions are lost on you are they. Those artists or companies won't change even if their sales are low and will then resort to stupid statements saying that piracy is the cause of this or to ridiculous anti piracy measures when its clear that all they need t do is drop their prices.

 

[JulietStMoon]

Replying to a lost cause like you is really giving me a hadache. You do realize that if piracy was called something else like rainbow or unicorn then it wouldn't seem as "evil" as people make it out to be.

Using rational opinions are lost on you are they. Those artists or companies won't change even if their sales are low and will then resort to stupid statements saying that piracy is the cause of this.

Precisely. There's actually a good essay by an indie developer about this. I wish I could find it so I could post it here... it was on reddit a few weeks ago.

 

[Just Another Gamer]

Precisely. There's actually a good essay by an indie developer about this. I wish I could find it so I could post it here... it was on reddit a few weeks ago.

I think I read something similar to that since I really just paraphrased what they wrote, can't seem to find it though.

 

[xxNathanxx]

Um... no you don't. By pirating, you're sending the message that "this isn't worth paying that price, to me," and the artist likely would be motivated to lower the price or perhaps offer higher quality content. And who knows, maybe they'll loosen their DRM grip, if they have one.

I'm not saying I think it's right, because I don't. But piracy DEFINITELY doesn't send the message that you think it does.

But I am right. Are you an artist? No. You're a pirate. The message you think you are sending isn't the message the artist receives. You seem to think these are one and the same, but they're not.

Replying to a lost cause like you is really giving me a hadache. You do realize that if piracy was called something else like rainbow or unicorn then it wouldn't seem as "evil" as people make it out to be.

Hey man thanks for the ad hominem, makes your point extremely valid.

People (I assume you mean virtually the entire world population) make piracy out to be evil? Most people don't even have a clear opinion on piracy. Simply because you change the word used to define the act of copying someone's content without paying for it doesn't mean it will be seen as less 'evil' by those who already make it out to be evil, and won't change the opinions of those who have yet to think about it either.

Using rational opinions are lost on you are they. Those artists or companies won't change even if their sales are low and will then resort to stupid statements saying that piracy is the cause of this or to ridiculous anti piracy measures when its clear that all they need t do is drop their prices.

Whoa man, another ad hominem, thanks a bunch! So far the only 'rational' argument I've heard for piracy from you (and everyone else in this thread) is: "I want to play games but I don't want to spend my money on them."

Also, here's a great read for the uneducated: http://thetrichordist.wordpress.com/2012/06/18/letter-to-emily-white-at-npr-all-songs-considered/

I do not agree with everything, but most of it is very true.

 

[nryn99]

"I want to play games but I don't want to spend my money on them."

Isn't that what piracy is? and what this thread is about.