Hacking The big 1TB discussion

[Miles]

It's not like you'll need a 1TB partition.

 

[vettacossx]

yes it works , i went out and got one
Western Digital
My Book
1TB
Essential Edition usb 2.0

on sell at walmart for 114.99

ow hells yes me 2 bro!

 

[Styles420]

You can't get the full terabyte even on a computer - I have the Western Digital MyBook, and due to the formatting, you only get 931 GB. A true TB would be 1024 GB. But then I think the industry has been a little lax with their definition - they seem to be more than willing to say it's a GB when its only 1000 MB, and to them a MB is only 1000 KB. The higher you go, the more you lose. But it works in their favor - it'd be like the gas stations charging you for a full ten gallons when you only get nine.

Actually 1 Terabyte = 1,000 Gigabytes.
1 Gigabyte = 1,000 Megabytes.

And yes, due to formatting you only get about 930 gigabytes from a 1 terabyte drive.

1 Tebibyte = 1,024 Gibibytes.
1 Gibibyte = 1,024 Mebibytes.

And so on...

New definitions were put in place back in '99 I believe. They were developed to differentiate the true SI definitions of kilo, mega, giga, etc.. from the binary usages based on 2, 8, 1024, etc... I still usually think of it the old way though.

Wrong. Definitions have been in place since the 70's, and the only thing that has changed is that the industry is catering to the uninformed consumer. Rather than informing and educating, they find that it's easier to just round down to a number that is easier to work with - they aren't concerned with how dumb or how smart we are, only how rich we make them.

The true definition is the 1,024 - a kilobyte = 1,024 bytes, a megabyte = 1,024 kilobytes, etc. Do the math - 1 terrabyte should be 1,024 gigabytes = 1,024 * 1,024 megabytes = 1,024 * 1,024 * 1,024 kilobytes = 1,024 * 1,024 * 1,024 * 1,024 bytes = 1,099,511,627,776 bytes. So by rounding down, we lose 99,511,627,776 bytes, or almost 93 gigabytes.

If you divide 1,000,000,000,000 bytes by 1024, you get 976,562,500 kb, which is about 953,674 mb or roughly 931 gb (which is the reported size of the drive according to the computer). So I was wrong, we don't lose some of the TB to formatting, we never got it due to the industry's blatant manipulation of the definition... by the way, 1024 - 931 = 93, so it adds up both ways

 

[Blue-K]

Anyways...the main question, which still wasn't answered, is, if it would be possible to change the Loader, so it will support to Dump Games from the Wii to Partitions/HDs over 512GB...or if there's some Hardware/Software-Limitations from the Wii, so that it would be not possible...

I'm also waiting for this...hope it get's solved soon...still haven't got my 1TB-HD

...I think and hope that it should be possible...something is wrong with the Loader, not the Filesystem...please, someone should have a look at it...maybe Wiigator?

 

[crinz]

from what i have seen, most of these 1TB drives have built in sleep functions when idle for a set time. does this cause a problem if pausing a game or anything??

 

[fogbank]

Actually 1 Terabyte = 1,000 Gigabytes.
1 Gigabyte = 1,000 Megabytes.

And yes, due to formatting you only get about 930 gigabytes from a 1 terabyte drive.

1 Tebibyte = 1,024 Gibibytes.
1 Gibibyte = 1,024 Mebibytes.

And so on...

New definitions were put in place back in '99 I believe. They were developed to differentiate the true SI definitions of kilo, mega, giga, etc.. from the binary usages based on 2, 8, 1024, etc... I still usually think of it the old way though.

Wrong. Definitions have been in place since the 70's, and the only thing that has changed is that the industry is catering to the uninformed consumer.

You can think what you want, but...

QUOTE(Wikipedia @ Apr 6 2009, 11:33 AM)

In 1999, following recommendations by the International Union of Pure and Applied Chemistry (IUPAC) in 1995[3] and National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST), the standards organization known as the International Electrotechnical Commission (IEC) adopted a set of distinct prefixes (cf. IEC 60027), e.g., kibi (symbol Ki, from "kilobinary")[2] and mebi (symbol Mi, from "megabinary"), to indicate binary multipliers. The system used the multiplier 1024 (210), rather than 1000 (103) as in the SI system, to arrive at successively larger prefixes. Under this recommendation, the SI prefixes should only be used in the decimal sense: kilobyte and megabyte denote one thousand bytes and one million bytes respectively, while kibibyte and mebibyte denote 1024 bytes and 1048576 bytes respectively.

I wouldn't say that "nothing has changed since the 70's". And I don't share your opinion that the industry is trying to get rich from ripping us off by using ambiguous definitions. At $100 for a 1 TB drive I don't really care if they use 1000 or 1024 to define it...not when I've paid $45 for a 1MB stick of memory for my PC in my distant past.

I too will probably always cling to the 1024 definitions of KB, MB, GB, TB, etc... but that doesn't mean I will jump and yell "Wrong" when someone cites the newer definitions.

 

[SonyUSA]

Has anyone tried making two 500~gig partitions on a 1TB drive? USBLoader can see different partitions so maybe you can just swap inbetween the two to dump games?

http://gbatemp.net/index.php?showtopic=146191

there is my guide if anyone would like to try, let me know if it works!

 

[SonyUSA]

Oopsy-- laggy gbatemp made me double post

How do I delete this one??

 

[gghggh]

Wrong. Definitions have been in place since the 70's, and the only thing that has changed is that the industry is catering to the uninformed consumer. Rather than informing and educating, they find that it's easier to just round down to a number that is easier to work with - they aren't concerned with how dumb or how smart we are, only how rich we make them.

The true definition is the 1,024 - a kilobyte = 1,024 bytes, a megabyte = 1,024 kilobytes, etc. Do the math - 1 terrabyte should be 1,024 gigabytes = 1,024 * 1,024 megabytes = 1,024 * 1,024 * 1,024 kilobytes = 1,024 * 1,024 * 1,024 * 1,024 bytes = 1,099,511,627,776 bytes. So by rounding down, we lose 99,511,627,776 bytes, or almost 93 gigabytes.

If you divide 1,000,000,000,000 bytes by 1024, you get 976,562,500 kb, which is about 953,674 mb or roughly 931 gb (which is the reported size of the drive according to the computer). So I was wrong, we don't lose some of the TB to formatting, we never got it due to the industry's blatant manipulation of the definition... by the way, 1024 - 931 = 93, so it adds up both ways

Actually, fogbank is correct. You are wrong.

The International Bureau of Weights and Measures has made it clear that SI prefixes are only used for describing decimal measurements. For binary measurements the proper prefixes are kibi, mebi, etc. The IEC has agreed on this.

 

[crinz]

from what i have seen, most of these 1TB drives have built in sleep functions when idle for a set time. does this cause a problem if pausing a game or anything??

anyone??

 

[NeoDraven]

Has anyone manage to get the full 1TB working on the USB loader and none of this partition business, the full 1TB space, reply only if you have.

What an arrogant, arrogant little boy you are. You ask a question, but you tell people to only reply to your topic if they can give you exactly what you want. I hope you get terminal herpes.

 

[Styles420]

Wrong. Definitions have been in place since the 70's, and the only thing that has changed is that the industry is catering to the uninformed consumer. Rather than informing and educating, they find that it's easier to just round down to a number that is easier to work with - they aren't concerned with how dumb or how smart we are, only how rich we make them.

The true definition is the 1,024 - a kilobyte = 1,024 bytes, a megabyte = 1,024 kilobytes, etc. Do the math - 1 terrabyte should be 1,024 gigabytes = 1,024 * 1,024 megabytes = 1,024 * 1,024 * 1,024 kilobytes = 1,024 * 1,024 * 1,024 * 1,024 bytes = 1,099,511,627,776 bytes. So by rounding down, we lose 99,511,627,776 bytes, or almost 93 gigabytes.

If you divide 1,000,000,000,000 bytes by 1024, you get 976,562,500 kb, which is about 953,674 mb or roughly 931 gb (which is the reported size of the drive according to the computer). So I was wrong, we don't lose some of the TB to formatting, we never got it due to the industry's blatant manipulation of the definition... by the way, 1024 - 931 = 93, so it adds up both ways

Actually, fogbank is correct. You are wrong.

The International Bureau of Weights and Measures has made it clear that SI prefixes are only used for describing decimal measurements. For binary measurements the proper prefixes are kibi, mebi, etc. The IEC has agreed on this.

Either way, the units are kb, mb, gb, and tb - and they're all binary. The industry standards claiming 1000 instead of 1024 mean nothing - at one time it was "standard" to believe that the world was flat. Whether you call it a kilobyte or a kibibyte, its still a bunch of bytes, which are inherently based on binary. So yes, nothing has changed since the 70's aside from the industry, and any industry is about making money. The best way to do that is to make things easier for your customers - you don't see Microsoft telling its customers they aren't smart enough, instead they cater to the common idiot by trying to make Windows take care of as much as possible behind the scenes (which pisses me off - no matter how many times I tell Vista not to autodetect what type of folder I'm looking at, it still insists that my folder full of nothing but zip files is a music folder...)

We can't always redefine things to suit our preferences - sometimes people get in the way. The US attempted to adopt the metric system at one point, but too many people closed their minds to the idea and freaked out. This is a similar case - the computer guys got tired of trying to explain the intricacies of binary to the common idiots, yet they needed those idiots if they hoped to gain popularity for the computer world. It's a compromise, which I don't care for. I know what a kilobyte really is, I don't need to dumb down the definition to wrap my head around it. Besides, you can't deny that it does work in the industry's favor - it's much easier to sell a terrabyte than "almost, but not quite, a terrabyte."

The new definitions were based on a recommendation, which was based on the confusion people had. Personally, I would have recommended better education systems to fix this (and many other issues due to common misconceptions that fail to be corrected). Instead, the industry says, "let's make up new words!" It upsets me almost as much as when they added "ain't" to the dictionary and started teaching eubonics in college - the "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em" philosophy shouldn't be used when dealing with the uneducated, it only hurts us all.

 

[Chemodile]

Better question -- How would you ever fill it? Unless you're aiming for a complete set of Wii ISOs for some reason, there are only maybe 30-40 quality retail games for the Wii, tops. I use a 1TB drive for the wii but even the 130gb partition I gave it seems excessive when about 30 games take up only 50gb. I think I'm covered on stoage space for quality Wii releases for at least the next 6 years. I can't imagine how you'd ever fill 1TB with properly scrubbed Wii games (as WBFS images are), unless you intend to keep region dupes AND every garbage title like Catz 2 or Hannah Montana: The Movie: The Game.

 

[aardvarks]

my kids love catz2!!