The 10 up limit might not be for financial concern

Discussion in '3DS - Flashcards & Custom Firmwares' started by Yil, Nov 11, 2014.

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  1. Yil
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    This is a guess

    The storage in the chip can only store 10 save file(possibly just several MB of space)
    Maybe the limitation will be removed in the next update when they figure out how to store the save file in the sd card
    R5sdhc, 3ky3ds, and k3ds(I think they just release today) are all having the 10 upper limit
     
  2. Relys

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    Well yeah, they're obviously built by the same people. They use brand diversity to help monopolize the market.
     
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    That sounds like something that could have been resolved while this thing was in production, they could have designed a chip with larger storage. The SKY3DS clones are just ... clones.
     
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    nonsense, if that really was the case, they could just use another chip with more storage size
    this is an arbitrarily chosen limit to cash in more money
     
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    *IF* its a hardware limitation, then its a financial one at the same time.
    Different hardware would've allowed them to store more at the same time, but would've made the card more expensive.

    Ofcourse, if thats the case and the games as played on this card are indeed indistinguishable from regular games because of the way its done.
    That also means that Gateway's (or any similar) probably can't employ the workaround.
    However we simply don't know what it is and how they did it yet.

    There's a lot of guesswork and assumptions - not as much backed up finds yet.
    Which will be around soon enough.
     
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    they already stated if you format your SD you loose your saves, so the saves are on the SD...i think people should just stop trying to justify it
     
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    This.

    This is just a guess, but I'm assuming a small portion of each game's data is written to the internal card enabling each game to load (like a relocation file or something), and the card is either not large enough to hold any more than 10 sets of this data, or the firmware on the card was only programmed to read 10 different sets of data. We already know that the card that holds the info isn't erasable currently. Perhaps this information is locked in an attempt to prevent Nintendo from being able to block the card by wiping the card of the info that enables the games to load from the Micro SD?

    I'm very interested in seeing exactly how it works in the near future.
     
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    well from the images already shared it seems to be a FPGA, a flash chip and most likely some sort of memory controller, so i don't see any ROM chips, either the "logging" happens to the flash chip in which case they could of easily over wrote it, or it logs itself into the FPGA's internal memory.....which also should of been fairly easy to wipe.......unless they simply didn't want to make it erasable so they can sell more cards
     
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    Thats highly possible as well.
     
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    The third option being that the exploit/workaround they are using requires it to not be erasable - that that is the entire thing that makes it work and makes it function like a retail card.

    Meaning that in terms of hardware its possible, but to fool the system its not.
    For that same reason they would've put the button on, allowing you to store more games - but have the device only recognize one at a time.
    (Something that stores more at once, would need to be more expensive, making the card even more expensive if they want to retain their profit margin.)

    Like how a revolver only has space for so many bullets at once - sure they could've made it bigger, but its not always as practical.


    For now, we don't know for certain. While I'm with you that its probable they did it for money as most things on the hardware side seem to imply that its POSSIBLE to overwrite it.
    I'm sure that someone will come forth with a more in-depth theory or conclusion after testing though.
     
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    How the hell does that work?
     
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    Making it look like there are more cards out there, as if there is an option.
    For the same reason there are sister or daughter companies in other industries that release off-brand versions of their main product.

    You reach a wider audience, but all the money flows into the same pockets.
     
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    It's the inability to change the 10 games that makes me feel it's purely profit driven. But the device is also almost nothing but a pure piracy machine, and at it's high price it's not even a very good deal. If I lived somewhere that access to 3DS game cartridges to purchase was limited, or even prohibitively expensive due to tariffs or even just high shipping costs I might consider it depending upon the upfront cost. But being that I don't, I see absolutely no reason to personally get the card, because the only thing I really care about would be homebrew anyway.
     
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    That... still doesn't make sense. If there are various options people will choose different options. If there is only one option, the same people will choose the one option.
     
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    Nah, if there's only one option, a lot of people will wait for competition to show up and offer a more competative price.

    Just look on these boards, how many are waiting for another to clone the card or copy the technique? All because they don't want to pay the higher price (and the 10-game-limit)
     
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    its a old practice if you can flood a market with the same products but under different names you can sort of trick people into accepting limitations by making it seem like its a general limitation that is common amongst competitors too, it also means your one product is listed x amount of times per site instead of just once so when people are looking for a product they are more likely to choose yours as its there more often

    its exactly the same thing with r4 gold deluxe,3dslink and orange 3ds....its just a way to funnel as many people to your product and get more exposure from people debating which card is best...when really people are buying the same thing with a different sticker
     
  17. piratesephiroth

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    Notice it comes empty and it doesn't demand you to have 10 games installed in order to run.
    Also that game-identifying data is written when you add a new game.
    If they actually needed this limit and didn't want to sell more cards, they could add a 'reset' function to their software, so 10 new games could be added.
     
  18. Meteo

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    that's actually probably the most likely reason.
     
  19. WiiCube_2013

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    If I were to buy a flashcart for $100 I'd fucking hope that damn thing would play more than 10 games without making me lose them. What a scam this is and yet there's people defending this bullshit.

    They're obviously pushing the "10 games only" to make dumbasses buy another flashcart from them.
     
  20. trumpet-205

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    The problem is that they seem to use one-time programmable chip, which doesn't allow you to erase and put in another game once you reached the limit.
     
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