Temp Debates #9

[Magmorph]

You don't need to see proof. It's a belief and faith like Terminator said. I can't force you to believe what we all say and it's the same for me.
God created all things. If God didn't exist, then who made nothing? Who is the originator of those Apes if you think we evolved in them? Are you saying they sprouted like mushrooms and took millions of years before they became humans? Enlighten me please

If you want a serious answer don't ask loaded questions.

 

[Sterling]

I know science isn't made to disprove God, but some people use it to try and find answers to things that can't be explained, and your example is an adaptation, that insect didn't turn into a bunny. Now i know you're going to say that tons of those small adaptations lead into an evolution of the species, but I'd like to see an adaptation significant enough to completely change a species, has any happened since history has been recorded?

In the future there is skynet...

 

[Raika]

Created.
I dunno why, I just feel that way.

 

[Terminator02]

show me the true link between an ape and a human

Humans are apes. Ape is not a species, it is a broad categorization for the hominoidea family of primates. You don't know what an ape is but you are arguing evolution?

I'm sorry, would you prefer I say non-human apes?

 

[Magmorph]

show me the true link between an ape and a human

Show me God.

so your "proven" "facts" are based on belief? just like God?

Science isn't out to disprove God believe it or not. Science is about finding an answer that most logically explains a given question. Evolution can be observed under laboratory conditions (certain insects can become resistant to pesticides for example). That's not mentioning the microscopic organisms that can evolve incredibly quickly.

I know science isn't made to disprove God, but some people use it to try and find answers to things that can't be explained, and your example is an adaptation, that insect didn't turn into a bunny. Now i know you're going to say that tons of those small adaptations lead into an evolution of the species, but I'd like to see an adaptation significant enough to completely change a species, has any happened since history has been recorded?

History has only been recorded for a few thousand years. You obviously misunderstand evolution if you think a insect can turn into a bunny in that period of time.

 

[0ddity]

I know science isn't made to disprove God, but some people use it to try and find answers to things that can't be explained, and your example is an adaptation, that insect didn't turn into a bunny. Now i know you're going to say that tons of those small adaptations lead into an evolution of the species, but I'd like to see an adaptation significant enough to completely change a species, has any happened since history has been recorded?

There are answers to all these questions, you just have to read!

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-speciation.html

 

[Terminator02]

You don't need to see proof. It's a belief and faith like Terminator said. I can't force you to believe what we all say and it's the same for me.
God created all things. If God didn't exist, then who made nothing? Who is the originator of those Apes if you think we evolved in them? Are you saying they sprouted like mushrooms and took millions of years before they became humans? Enlighten me please

If you want a serious answer don't ask loaded questions.

then go research and come back plz

I know science isn't made to disprove God, but some people use it to try and find answers to things that can't be explained, and your example is an adaptation, that insect didn't turn into a bunny. Now i know you're going to say that tons of those small adaptations lead into an evolution of the species, but I'd like to see an adaptation significant enough to completely change a species, has any happened since history has been recorded?

In the future there is skynet...

Edit: QUOTE(Magmorph @ Sep 10 2010, 09:22 PM)

History has only been recorded for a few thousand years. You obviously misunderstand evolution if you think a insect can turn into a bunny in that period of time.

it was just an example, I know your theory thinks it will take little baby steps and lots of time to get there

Ok, I'm starting to sound like an ass, time to sign off, someone please continue the fight for me

 

[Magmorph]

You don't need to see proof. It's a belief and faith like Terminator said. I can't force you to believe what we all say and it's the same for me.
God created all things. If God didn't exist, then who made nothing? Who is the originator of those Apes if you think we evolved in them? Are you saying they sprouted like mushrooms and took millions of years before they became humans? Enlighten me please

If you want a serious answer don't ask loaded questions.

then go research and come back plz

Go do some research on what a loaded question is.

 

[injected11]

Show me God.

so your "proven" "facts" are based on belief? just like God?

No, experience, observation, science and logical extrapolation. Unlike God.

so you logically infer from observing that humans came from apes because they have similar features

You really like trying to put crazy words in people's mouths, don't you. Stop making crazy leaps and pretending others believe that. I've taken science and biology classes and done personal research into studies done on evolution. I have at least a vague understanding of how evolution works and why it happens, and seen evidence provided by science. That's why I believe these crazy things.

Spoiler

I sure don't believe some almighty being waved his hands (or whatever an omnipotent being would wave) and wished everything into existence.

 

[0ddity]

show me the true link between an ape and a human

Humans are apes. Ape is not a species, it is a broad categorization for the hominoidea family of primates. You don't know what an ape is but you are arguing evolution?

I'm sorry, would you prefer I say non-human apes?

Australopithecus africanus

Australopithecus sediba

Homo habilis

Homo ergaster

Homo heidelbergensis

Homo rhodesiensis

Homo floresiensis

Homo erectus

to name a few. I know you won't accept these though, because if you were really interested in knowing, you'd look it up yourself.

 

[Terminator02]

You don't need to see proof. It's a belief and faith like Terminator said. I can't force you to believe what we all say and it's the same for me.
God created all things. If God didn't exist, then who made nothing? Who is the originator of those Apes if you think we evolved in them? Are you saying they sprouted like mushrooms and took millions of years before they became humans? Enlighten me please

If you want a serious answer don't ask loaded questions.

then go research and come back plz

Go do some research on what a loaded question is.

before I go, tell me what it is then, I'd like to know for future battles of the arguments in which people like to use smart words
He's gonna get so pissed

 

[monkat]

show me the true link between an ape and a human

 

[Magmorph]

*snip*

Oh my God.

@Terminator

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loaded_question

 

[Infinite Zero]

show me the true link between an ape and a human

Show me God.

Show me an actual image of an atom.

 

[0ddity]

show me the true link between an ape and a human

Show me God.

Show me an actual image of an atom.

 

[Terminator02]

*snip*

Oh my God.

@Terminator

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loaded_question

you know I could have used google myself, it was a joke because you were trying to sound professional and sophisticated (maybe you are?). Anyway, now that this is over and alot more people hate me, BYE!

 

[0ddity]

*snip*

Oh my God.

@Terminator

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loaded_question

you know I could have used google myself, it was a joke because you were trying to sound professional and sophisticated (maybe you are?). Anyway, now that this is over and alot more people hate me, BYE!

See how they ask question after loaded question, spout red herrings and straw men arguments, but when I actually answer their questions, they don't respond (or respond with appeal to ridicule.) When your entire argument is built on logical fallacies, how are we supposed to respond?

 

[Magmorph]

*snip*

Oh my God.

@Terminator

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loaded_question

you know I could have used google myself, it was a joke because you were trying to sound professional and sophisticated (maybe you are?). Anyway, now that this is over and alot more people hate me, BYE!

I was unaware that the term "loaded question" was sophisticated. Hell, my posts have tons of grammatical errors. They don't seem sophisticated at all to me.

 

[lolzed]

/me joins in discussion

Creation.
God created everything,laws,world,animal,man.
But that doesn't mean He is BOUND to that.
Like how Genesis says "In the beginning...",it doesn't mean that from God's first moment we were created,it just means when the world was created.
Let's take an example(which btw,isn't real,just an example):unstoppable object meets unmovable object
Unmovable would be God,but He is omnipotent,that means He can stop everything,or move anything.He can't create anything bigger than Him,so He is not bound to friction and such.

my 2 cents,I can't change your belief,but I'll defend my faith.

 

[Deleted User]

I believe in creation. We are simply too perfect to have been evolved.