Temp Debates #9

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Religion. Coming in the next TD#10

Debate 9 Evolution or creation: how did human beings come about?​

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Evolution or creation: how did human beings come about?

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This is simple. Touching on religion a bit, though, so I'm slightly sensitive about this one... Anyways. How did we come about? Were we created by God (or gods, depending on your religion), or did we evolve in accordance with Darwin. No description needed for this one. Suggest me some debates in the comments on my profile.

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[0ddity]

I would say that we evolved without god, "in accordance with Darwin" as you say. But the question isn't mutually exclusive, we could have evolved "in accordance with god." It has to be one or the other though since there is incontrovertible evidence humans and all other living things evolved into their current state and continue to evolve.

 

[Overlord Nadrian]

We evolved and were not in any way created by a God or a 'higher being' as some prefer to call it.

End of argument.

Also, for more information, read this and look for posts from J.T., GhostAnime, R. New, Tim the turtle, chuboy and natie (that's me!).

 

[Magmorph]

Evolution says nothing about the origin of life.

 

[Overlord Nadrian]

Life originated from a cell that started multiplying.

Or do you mean the way the universe came into existence?

 

[Zarcon]

If the question was
"Evolution or Creation?"
Then it could easily be both. Something created the starting materials, things evolved from there.

But the question is
"Evolution or Creation: How did humans come about?"

The answer is pretty clear cut, there's plenty of evidence to suggest we evolved to this point, even if not all the evidence is there quite yet.

 

[0ddity]

Life originated from a cell that started multiplying.

Or do you mean the way the universe came into existence?

He means evolution is not attempting to answer the question of how life developed, only the variation in species. The origin of life is called abiogenesis.

 

[Overlord Nadrian]

Ah, the variation in species just exists because certain 0ddities of nature were strong enough to survive and started multiplying themselves, thus creating a wide array of different creatures.

 

[0ddity]

started multiplying themselves

With variation

(ie brown hair blonde hair etc) otherwise everything would be the same.

 

[Sterling]

Not sure if I want to get into this one. I may have a crack at my own explanation, but I bet most of you know how I would post.

 

[0ddity]

Not sure if I want to get into this one. I may have a crack at my own explanation, but I bet most of you know how I would post.

Please do, you never know what you might learn.

 

[RoMee]

until I see proof of a god, I'm gonna say we evolved

and I don't want to be the result of incest from adam and eve

 

[Thoob]

There is just so much evidence to back up evolution, it's a fallacy some people can just ignore it.

 

[Uncle FEFL]

Evolution says nothing about the origin of life.This.

Ah, the variation in species just exists because certain 0ddities of nature were strong enough to survive and started multiplying themselves, thus creating a wide array of different creatures.What came before that?


QUOTE(RoMee @ Sep 10 2010, 02:15 PM)

until I see proof of a god, I'm gonna say we evolved

and I don't want to be the result of incest from adam and eve

Evolution doesn't disprove God.

They aren't brother and sister.

 

[Fudge]

Evolution.

 

[_Chaz_]

We were created somehow, that doesn't necessarily mean that a higher power did so.

But it has been proven that evolution is not just a theory. It happened, happens and will continue to happen.

 

[0ddity]

We were created somehow, that doesn't necessarily mean that a higher power did so.

But it has been proven that evolution is not just a theory. It happened, happens and will continue to happen.

Evolution is just a theory, but that is not a mark against it, as in the scientific vernacular, theory does not mean the same thing as the layman term theory. Evolution is a theory in the same way the round earth is a theory, germs a theory, gravity is a theory, etc.

 

[KingdomBlade]

The universe is governed by the laws of science. The laws may have been decreed by God, but God does not intervene to break the laws.
-Stephen Hawking

That is what I believe in. Something has to be the one to make something so elaborate, so perhaps, I believe Science and God intertwine in a certain way. God makes a law, and science is the law that he made. Possibly, God could have made a law about evolution, and the universe just follows it.

 

[0ddity]

The universe is governed by the laws of science. The laws may have been decreed by God, but God does not intervene to break the laws.
-Stephen Hawking

That is what I believe in. Something has to be the one to make something so elaborate, so perhaps, I believe Science and God intertwine in a certain way. God makes a law, and science is the law that he made. Possibly, God could have made a law about evolution, and the universe just follows it.

That is a cheap intellectual crutch. If you follow it through to its logical conclusion, if something had to create something as elaborate as the universe and its laws, then that creator itself must be as complex as the universe and itself require a creator, and it's creator must be at least as complex and require a creator, etcetera ad infinitum. However, this is moving more into debate #10 territory, lets stick with evolution vs. creationism.

 

[ball2012003]

Creation. Evolution just doesn't make any sense. A sea creature becomes a land creature, how the fuck is that possible, if according to science, evolution takes thousands of years, so how the hell is that sea creature gonna be on land for all that time to evolve if it needs to breath by water.