Hacking System Menu questions/thoughts

[Jizmo]

Ok, this autoboot discussion got me thinking a little.

Is it possible that the System Menu contains the region checking code? If it does then is it possible that once we're booted up to just Load an alternate System Menu (the PAL/NTSC) choice. Or what about taking the Disc Channel and cloning it and making a second Disc Channel, then when you insert the disc, the disc will pop up in whichever of the two channels matches it's region.

All pure speculation of course. And all depending on system menu being the determining factor.

EDIT: kinda thought that over a little more and since the Disc Channel is part of System Menu (correct me if I'm wrong) you couldn't have 2 disc channels because you can't load 2 system menus at once.

Not asking anyone to try this because it sounds like suicide, but has anyone ever tried installing an Out Of Region system menu wad on their system? Will System menu 3.2E instll on a 3.2U? Or has anybody read in a thread about someone trying this and posing their results? Sound like an Idea to me but also sound like a SURE BRICK if it doesn't work.

 

[Jizmo]

Hahahahaha..... I did a search for "Install Wrong System Menu" and 7 of the first 8 links were this thread!

Kinda like being give a number to call to ask a question. So you dial the number on your cell phone and 3 seconds later your desk phone rings.

 

[srath]

To create an autoboot DVD with a desired .dol, you just:

1)Modify the pink gay fish .iso (Backup Disk 1.31) opening it with trucha signer and change the main.dol with the desired .dol
2)Modify the Autoboot .iso from hackmii same method as above

...!!!

Always says error decrypting data when I try to open it

 

[Skarface05]

Well has anyone looked into the code of the menu patcher yet? to see if we can incorparate that into a CIOS or something?

I have tried autoboot menupatcher dol with preloader = code dump
i have tried install dol through with preloader and then run dol = code dump
i have tried to load installed dol - thinks about it and then goes to you guess it = code dump

( DOL in question for the above is MenuPatcher )

Any Ideas?

Would love to take this further still

 

[FRanatic]

Sorry, a bit off-topic, but how do I create wads from the FS dump ?
Dumping it was peanuts, finding the actual IOS' was a bit of a search, but I think I found them.

Now to only create some wads from the dump...
Any takers ?
Thanks.

PS:
This is a truely nice learning experience for me as it comes to the Wii's internals. Very interesting to say the least !

 

[seb77]

Anyone as taken a look into this title of the flash dump ?

00000001-00000100 ---> BC: Unknown purpose -- Used to start GC games (Loads MIOS?)

If we could do/patch a BC to be a cBC maybe we could load a gc backup or multiple gc backups from a DVD-R .

I found the BC info on the wiibrew wiki.

 

[Jizmo]

Sorry, a bit off-topic, but how do I create wads from the FS dump ?
Dumping it was peanuts, finding the actual IOS' was a bit of a search, but I think I found them.

Now to only create some wads from the dump...
Any takers ?
Thanks.

PS:
This is a truely nice learning experience for me as it comes to the Wii's internals. Very interesting to say the least !

I think a whole lot of people have gained a whole lot of knowledge in the past week. I think I've learned more about how Wii works this week than in the past year.
I think a lot of people are reaching that point where "everything starts to come toghether" all at once as far as having an internal Wii flowchart in your mind.

Now the Point of this post.

I'm starting to write a Turorial but I don't have the information I need for the Requirements section. What I'm not certain of is what the success/compatability rate is for Sstem Menu 3.3 and 3.4 Can somebody chime in who has experimented with this and the System Menus other than 3.2 ?

 

[FRanatic]

I was just thinking (probably like the rest of you lot) how to encounter the region issue.

So as I figure it, the region is determined on the disc. All the sysmenu does is check the region and if it matches it loads the game.
The way gamma deals with this is ignoring the result of the check or skipping it all together. So a patch is made in IOS 249 to accomplish this.
So patching (yes more patching) all the needed game IOS' with this patch from IOS 249 would launch out of region games.

or

If we could add a patch to the sysmem IOS to redirect out of region games to IOS 249 we would be set.

All I did here was an educated guess based on common sense. Hope this helps people who can actually implement this.

If all of the above is total BS then ignore my stupidity. Hell, you guys may even flame the crap out of me on this one

 

[20clarky08]

my friend wants me to go for Corp on his Wii hese running 3.4, i've got it running GammA using the IOS16 method..

do you suppose its possible to dump the NAND from 3.4 and patch it in this way as done with 3.2??

if anyone provides the files my mate has given me the green light lol...looks like we got another Wiinea Pig

 

[Joey Ravn]

I'm starting to write a Turorial but I don't have the information I need for the Requirements section. What I'm not certain of is what the success/compatability rate is for Sstem Menu 3.3 and 3.4 Can somebody chime in who has experimented with this and the System Menus other than 3.2 ?

Oh, thank God! I'm craving to try this, but there's so much information I don't know where I should begin

 

[20clarky08]

also sorry to "spammit" lol

but someone mentioned there was a Wad application that would just install all the wads in a given folder.

anyone know where this is...or was it a custom app some whipped up for themselves..?

couldnt this be part of the installation pack Jizmo?

 

[WiiPower]

I was just thinking (probably like the rest of you lot) how to encounter the region issue.

So as I figure it, the region is determined on the disc. All the sysmenu does is check the region and if it matches it loads the game.
The way gamma deals with this is ignoring the result of the check or skipping it all together. So a patch is made in IOS 249 to accomplish this.
So patching (yes more patching) all the needed game IOS' with this patch from IOS 249 would launch out of region games.

or

If we could add a patch to the sysmem IOS to redirect out of region games to IOS 249 we would be set.

All I did here was an educated guess based on common sense. Hope this helps people who can actually implement this.

If all of the above is total BS then ignore my stupidity. Hell, you guys may even flame the crap out of me on this one

Doesn't an import game (original!) work if you run it with Gecko OS with NO cIOS installed at all?

 

[Jizmo]

I was just thinking (probably like the rest of you lot) how to encounter the region issue.

So as I figure it, the region is determined on the disc. All the sysmenu does is check the region and if it matches it loads the game.
The way gamma deals with this is ignoring the result of the check or skipping it all together. So a patch is made in IOS 249 to accomplish this.
So patching (yes more patching) all the needed game IOS' with this patch from IOS 249 would launch out of region games.

or

If we could add a patch to the sysmem IOS to redirect out of region games to IOS 249 we would be set.

All I did here was an educated guess based on common sense. Hope this helps people who can actually implement this.

If all of the above is total BS then ignore my stupidity. Hell, you guys may even flame the crap out of me on this one

Ok, you just made me think of something. I believe the IOS30 in the CIOSCORP pack is official IOS30 with dip module 7 patched. I think that's all that's been done to it.

Has WiiGator's cIOS36r7 had any other modifications to it other than the dip modeul patched it?

If so, I'm thinking what would be the effect if we installed WiiGatorIOS36 (IOS249) as IOS30. I do understand that when we had our system menus pointing at IOS249 that the out of region games didn't show up. However I do know that in that configuration they showed up if I ran rebooter. They did not show up by running Menu Patcher.
Now that I've changed system menu pointing back to IOS30 (now cIOS30) rebooter code dumps.

So to Sum

Rebooter worked when system menu was pointing to IOS249. IOS30 was original Nintendo IOS30 at this time.
Rebooter does not work now with system menu pointing to cIOS30.

What I want to know, is rebooter patching IOS249, IOS30, or System Menu ?

And I can't quite determine which is the cause of Rebooter failing now....
1. Because IOS30 is now cIOS30.
or
2. Because other IOS have become cIOS?


I'm just thinking that rebooter has to be pointed at WiiGator's (or Waninkoko's) cIOS36R7 regardles of what IOS number it's installed at, and that there is something important missing from official IOS30d dip patched that is preventing rebooter from working. So doesn't it make sense that IOS249 installed as IOS30 might do the trick. I mean at least do the trick as far as making rebooter work with CIOSCORP and system menu pointing to IOS30.

Also note that the dfferences of WiiGator and Waninkoko CIOS are intwined into this. After all, menu patcher only works with Waninkoko's and doesn't work with WiiGators CIOS, and they are both Disc Channel backup displaying tools.

So can WiiGator's or Waninkoko's CIOS be broken down into it's file structure like we have on our SD cards... /00000001/00000024 .... made whatever change has to be done the injected back in as IOS30 using Multi-cIOS-Installer.

I'm just wondering this because I don't think anybody has either of those CIOS actually at IOS30.

IOS30 right now would for everybody be one of 3 things....

1. Official IOS30.

2. Official IOS30 with Dip Module Patch from CIOSCORP pack.

3. Official IOS30 Installed from Multi-cIOS-Installer with Dip Module Patch.

So I think none of us have a REAL CIOS36R7 installed at IOS30.


The more I think about the more it makes sense to me that we might need WiiGator's CIOS installed at IOS30.

 

[Jizmo]

I was just thinking (probably like the rest of you lot) how to encounter the region issue.

So as I figure it, the region is determined on the disc. All the sysmenu does is check the region and if it matches it loads the game.
The way gamma deals with this is ignoring the result of the check or skipping it all together. So a patch is made in IOS 249 to accomplish this.
So patching (yes more patching) all the needed game IOS' with this patch from IOS 249 would launch out of region games.

or

If we could add a patch to the sysmem IOS to redirect out of region games to IOS 249 we would be set.

All I did here was an educated guess based on common sense. Hope this helps people who can actually implement this.

If all of the above is total BS then ignore my stupidity. Hell, you guys may even flame the crap out of me on this one

Doesn't an import game (original!) work if you run it with Gecko OS with NO cIOS installed at all?

Meaning the Gecko/Rebooter/Menu Patcher is modifying the hooks between System Menu and IOS30? Aarrrfhhhh... where is WiiGator or Wanin to throw us a bone.

And Oh Yea... WiiPower..... wouldn't suprise me if you knew the answers to all of this and you're just sitting there laughing your ass off!!! hahahahaha

 

[Jizmo]

I'm starting to write a Turorial but I don't have the information I need for the Requirements section. What I'm not certain of is what the success/compatability rate is for Sstem Menu 3.3 and 3.4 Can somebody chime in who has experimented with this and the System Menus other than 3.2 ?

Oh, thank God! I'm craving to try this, but there's so much information I don't know where I should begin

Try Page 1 of the thread for starters. And disregard patching System Menu to IOS249.

 

[Omega Knight]

also sorry to "spammit" lol

but someone mentioned there was a Wad application that would just install all the wads in a given folder.

anyone know where this is...or was it a custom app some whipped up for themselves..?

couldnt this be part of the installation pack Jizmo?

Yeah, it's called wad installer it's wad manager's ancestor.

On a side note, couldn't we look at the wii freeloader apploader source to help us get region free? It's on the Wiibrew forums.

 

[Jizmo]

also sorry to "spammit" lol

but someone mentioned there was a Wad application that would just install all the wads in a given folder.

anyone know where this is...or was it a custom app some whipped up for themselves..?

couldnt this be part of the installation pack Jizmo?

It was WAD Installer. I don't remember if it was a .dol that I put on SD root and ran from TP Hack or if it was an Autoboot Disc that I ran from Recovery mode. But it scared the shit out of me. When it launched it started installing all the wads in my WAD folder (and my wad folder is massive) so i sat ther afraid to interrupt it and wondering how long until i had a brick. After a minute of thinking about what was happening I knew I had to interrupt it cause I new some danger would come soon, so i tried reset, didn't work. Then I pulled the power plug. I was lucky. Only had to reinstall a couple patches and I was OK.

Back to the question.

+---------------------------------+
| WAD Installer v2.1 by Waninkoko |
+---------------------------------+
| www.teknoconsolas.info |
+---------------------------------+


+-------------+
| HOW TO USE: |
+-------------+

1. Create a folder called "wad" in the root of the SD card.
2. Copy every WAD you want to install in the "wad" folder.
3. Run this application.

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run that baby when you think your running wad manager then try not to have a heart attack. I had downloaded as an autoboot iso of it (just found the discc) and there was no documentation with it so I thought I was gonna be presented with a menu.

 

[Snave2008]

Sorry to be an ass and reposting but if someone could just spare me a second just to say yay or nay but I haven't been able to install these wads from the cioscorp pack due to a ret -1035 error from wad manager. Do I need them or has this been the same for everyone?

DON'T INSTALL: - 9, 11, 13, 14, 15, 17, 20, 21, 22, 28

Thanks very much

 

[IronMask]

So whats stopping you?? Need a helmet?!

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[Maximillion]

Im am able to auto boot the menu loader with the region free patch using crediar's preloader, so then I would be able to load other region discs and they will load up in the disc channel.

I havent tested this this yet as i dont have any NTSC games but im pretty sure it should work?