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Hacking Selling Modded Wii U's

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Hard to find Wii U systems nowdayas, as it is, at least up here in Canada. I've taken notice over the past 2 months that all the Walmarts have empty shelves where the systems would be stored, and EB Games stock check online show 0 stock of new and used systems across the entire country. I see 2nd hand systems sell easily for $400.

I'm glad I picked up spare console-only for a $100 back in Feb.
 
I don't see the problem, they are charging for the SERVICE, some people are pretty much stupid and cant do the hacking themselves, so why is it wrong that someone invested time and sold THAT TIME to other people who doesn't want or cant do it?
 
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Really nothing new here to be honest. This sort of thing has existed probably back in the CFW psp days where ppl would sell them fully hacked same goes to the PS3 Jailbreaking and Xbox 360 Jtags.
But at the end of the day you are still technically selling a console you "own"
 
Indeed, and the money is not shared with any of the devs. This is why so many user agreements prohibit "commercial" use without a fair share because let's face it, the devs deserve something and not the guy who just downloads and runs the software. Yet devs are the evil ones if they use any clauses like this. Is donating back to devs such a crime? Rather the opposite. You literally never get donations back for development so why even bother with all the unappreciation and shadiness :glare:
 
Well the way I see it its the ppl who are selling hacked consoles with downloaded games is what we should be more upset about. I'm not saying the devs don't deserve alittle top dollar, but donations are an optional choice.
It wouldn't be a donation if we are forced to give them something in return, if you feel the need to donate then donate, but remember thats just 1 way of showing appreciations. Giving credit, Praising, Testing, and construction suggestions are examples
 
If you are really committed with the cause, you can do things to stop this from happening, for example:

1. Sell the modded consoles a bit cheaper than those guys and donate all the profit to the developers.
2. Sell the modded consoles at retail price or slightly higher to cover your work and a bit for donations and sell them on the same site as those guys.
3. Teach the people how to do it themselves.

With those approaches you finish with the problem and you can contribute with the scene. This is part of the beauty of free/open source models.
 
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Well the way I see it its the ppl who are selling hacked consoles with downloaded games is what we should be more upset about. I'm not saying the devs don't deserve alittle top dollar, but donations are an optional choice.
It wouldn't be a donation if we are forced to give them something in return, if you feel the need to donate then donate, but remember thats just 1 way of showing appreciations. Giving credit, Praising, Testing, and construction suggestions are examples
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i can't donate as long as there's no legal reason to donate, it's the same law as for anti-terrorism that applies so no, and my clients don't want to learn anything, they want a modded console with the same garantee's as they had when they bought the console new in a normal shop. so all 3 options are no real options as long as there's no legal reason... if het or she also sells normal sd-cards that could be a way to contrebute... but not this way, and i'm not so sure if it's gonna be like that cause just like breaking securitie means helping hand in theft of authentecy (hope i wrote that correct)... those whore helping others to steal are likely not the ones that in anyway would pay for something they could get for free... those who crack a console so that it can load backubs, althouh it's incredable that you can get such a thing done, but it makes you just as much a criminal as the one who's stealing the games, selling products with your mod... you're still helping the real criminal... as for those making money over these mods, stop whining cause it is and you know it is a criminal act...
 
the only thing you have to pay for is the wiiu which is 50 to 60 dollars on ebay (unless you already have one) and 6 dollars for a ds vc game
 
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wiiu which is 50 to 60 dollars on ebay
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Can someone point me towards this crazy cheap eBay?

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i can't donate as long as there's no legal reason to donate, it's the same law as for anti-terrorism that applies so no, and my clients don't want to learn anything, they want a modded console with the same garantee's as they had when they bought the console new in a normal shop. so all 3 options are no real options as long as there's no legal reason... if het or she also sells normal sd-cards that could be a way to contrebute... but not this way, and i'm not so sure if it's gonna be like that cause just like breaking securitie means helping hand in theft of authentecy (hope i wrote that correct)... those whore helping others to steal are likely not the ones that in anyway would pay for something they could get for free... those who crack a console so that it can load backubs, althouh it's incredable that you can get such a thing done, but it makes you just as much a criminal as the one who's stealing the games, selling products with your mod... you're still helping the real criminal... as for those making money over these mods, stop whining cause it is and you know it is a criminal act...
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I agree hack software were released to the public for free use I believe some ppl have a good thoughtful heart, but are getting the wrong picture of why sellers sell hacked consoles. They aren't directly selling the hacks/taking credit from devs its mainly for those who dont have the time to do it themselves or don't have certain requirements to use the hack mainly console firmware compatibility. Its no different from a modding service if I were to buy a console thats hardmodded, why? B/c soldering internal chips is not a skill set that I have to do it myself.
Just so you know 3rd party software like homebrew isn't illegal even if you were to sell a console with it. The illegal part comes strictly from user base decisons
 
MasterJ360 said:
I agree hack software were released to the public for free use I believe some ppl have a good thoughtful heart, but are getting the wrong picture of why sellers sell hacked consoles. They aren't directly selling the hacks/taking credit from devs its mainly for those who dont have the time to do it themselves or don't have certain requirements to use the hack mainly console firmware compatibility. Its no different from a modding service if I were to buy a console thats hardmodded, why? B/c soldering internal chips is not a skill set that I have to do it myself.
Just so you know 3rd party software like homebrew isn't illegal even if you were to sell a console with it. The illegal part comes strictly from user base decisons
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Exactly this. People pay me $50 per Wii because of the convenience I have provided for them; An 8GB SD card full of emulators and ROMs, a USB Loader, and instructions on how to use a USB HDD for free games. They're paying me for doing the hard work for them, so they can just enjoy the finished product. It's not to rob devs of their hard work.
 
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On topic, selling modded systems is not really a legal question. In practice, the worst legal issues may be caused by these setups distributing binaries without source (GPL violation) or not including the license itself, and maaaybe attribution issues. Unless the developer has used a license that has a noncommercial clause (technically not an open source license) the selling of the software is a purely moral thing - it's legally in the clear.
That's not to say I think this is okay. If I release something for free, I want it distributed for free. Like it or not, there are people who will set up a little stand and flatly sell homebrew software - one specific case I remember is what was likely just USB Loader GX, branded as an R4 for the Wii, being sold at a physical stand. "Revolution in Wii Gaming!" the signs proclaimed. "R4 for Wii - load games from USB!" I didn't know much about homebrew at the time, and I clearly remember thinking "that looks neat - same place I got my TTDS from, does it work similarly?"
I had no idea, and if I was able I would have given them my money there and then, totally unaware I was paying for something Dimok made free.

I'd also like to point out a misconception displayed in this thread around backup loaders. People who develop backup loaders are not criminals. Such software has many legal uses - from homebrew to (shock) playing backups. That you made yourself. And aren't distributing. While loaders may enable piracy, it certainly doesn't shift the blame to the creator. I could make a knife. Such a knife may enable someone to commit murder - do I get sent to jail with them? Of course not!

In the end, I suppose I'd be much more okay with such services being sold if it was abundantly clear that the software is free and the user can set it all up free, while the service is paid. Sometimes it isn't obvious; and you get situations like the one I nearly fell for above.
 
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ITT: people implying that users of professional modding services would rather learn how to do it themselves or even donate to exploit/cfw/homebrew makers
 
If I'm asked about it I will point people to the tools/guides to use so they can do it themselves for free. If they are to lazy/scared/etc to do it themselves and request me to do the modding for them then I will charge them a fee for my time invested. I see nothing wrong with charging for my time since I did offer them a free solution.
 
there's already a problem when calling it a "modded" wiiu, it let think the customer you had to invest money in some mod chip/hardware when there no more need than spending 5min to install softwares, softwares that the devs do they best to make brick-proof
never heard about customers wanting to pay some extra for a rooted phone or jailbroken iphone
 

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