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Romney vs. Obama

Discussion in 'World News, Current Events & Politics' started by NeoSupaMario, Aug 25, 2012.

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  1. Barack Obama

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  1. Hanafuda

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    What's the source for this? The image you linked is on imageshack, but did it originate with a legit news service? Cuz I really, really don't like seeing something like that, and I think it's a very small minority of Americans these days who will tolerate such racist horseshit as that (despite what some assume, 99.999% of conservative/republican/tea party people are not also members of the klan). Anyway, I'd like to know at what event this guy was wearing this thing, and if there's any more to the story.
     
  2. Gahars

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    Here's one news site; they mention that this is from a campaign event in Lancaster, Ohio.
     
  3. Lacius

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    "Not all Republicans are racists, but racists are more than likely to be Republicans." It's hard to argue that the efforts to paint Obama as foreign, lying about welfare work requirements, calling him the "Food Stamp President," etc. don't have racist undertones.

    Also, you don't have to be part of the KKK to be racist:

     
  4. Jakob95

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    Depends on what you look at. Go to other websites like those white supremacist websites and you will see them post pictures of black people posting tweets like " I'll [censored] a white girl if Romney gets elected" "I'll shoot a white guy", and other stuff like that. Plus most of all black people will vote for Obama cause he's black, while there are more liberal white people I think that will vote for Obama then there are more conservative black people that will vote for Romney.
     
  5. Gahars

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    Do you have anything to back that up? Like, can you prove that they're voting for Obama only because he's black, and not for any other reasons (like, say, these voters have been a consistently loyal voting block for the Democrats since about the Great Depression, they approve of his performance, and/or they disagree with the Republican platform)?

    Because that seems like a hell of a projection to make.
     
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  6. Lilith Valentine

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    That's not really a reliable source of information. A white supremacist site will find the worst of the worst of tweets, facebook updates, quote, anything to work in their favor, they will even make stuff up and edit thing to work their way.
    In reality the amount of people who are voting for Obama, aren't voting based on his race and it's actually a very small percentage that are concerned about his race. This really being true on both ends of the spectrum. The truth of the matter is, it's the ones who speak the loudest that are heard and in all honestly, people often record or listen to these people because they did something to get attention, like wear a racist shirt or vote based on race. The simple reason these people are noticed and brought up is often to increase views for a News channel, Youtube channel, or because they made themselves noticeable and someone is exploiting that noticeably.
     
  7. Jakob95

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    Yeah I know the whole point of posting that was its the same for liberal websites as well instead they put the race card towards the whites.
     
  8. Hanafuda

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    LOL That dude with half his lower teeth missing is mentally ill or something. But if you're willing to be selective when choosing who to interview, it's not hard to find racists.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBhzJnJIilI

    Anyway, as for the guy in the t-shirt about the 'white' house ... yeah fuck that guy. But if you've got common sense then you know it's not fair to judge a whole group by one jerk who shows up looking to stir things up. (Considering the obvious bad optics, it does make me wonder whose side the guy is really on - but unless/until someone proves otherwise it's fair to assume he's the bigot he appears to be.) Both sides do it of course - the "Obamaphone" video for example.

    As for calling Obama "the food stamp president" - well, how else do you get across to people the significance of the fact that the number of food stamp recipients has about doubled in the last 3 1/2 yrs and keeps on increasing despite the so-called 'recovery' ?? (http://www.trivisonno.com/wp-content/uploads/Food-Stamps-Monthly2.jpg) But 'food stamps' doesn't have a racial connotation to me - it's mostly white trash scammers at Wal-Mart that I think of when I think about food stamps. As someone already discussed above, they're not hard to spot. You'll probably think I'm generalizing but seriously - go out to WalMart on a Saturday afternoon and watch the people with poor personal hygiene buy cartloads of brand-name snacks, drinks, meats, cheeses, cakes, you name it, with food stamps. Oftentimes another member of the family will go through the line separately to buy beer and cigarettes, which can be easily afforded since they didn't have to buy the food. On the other hand my wife and I make about $135k combined and a lot of what we purchase is "great value" products, because that's what we can afford.
     
  9. Lilith Valentine

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    I don't think this really has anything to do with being Liberal or Conservative. Most likely anyone using race like that is only using it to draw more attention towards themselves for some other purposes. Racism is a very touchy subject and right now can be a goldmine for views/attention, which most likely is what these people want.
     
  10. Hanafuda

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    Interesting article on the latest topic:

    DO BLACK PEOPLE SUPPORT OBAMA BECAUSE HE'S BLACK?

    http://hosted.ap.org...-10-13-14-08-26


    The article is fairly objective in considering the question, but in the end avoids plainly stating the answer it clearly showed to be true. The answer is yes, most do. The article answers another question, which is: isn't that racist? Again, the answer is Yes, but for some reason we're supposed to see it as benign and excusable.


    edit: I edited the font size on the headline - I copied/pasted directly from the article page and it was too big.
     
  11. Lacius

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    It's possible to talk about food stamps without not-so-subtly implying that Obama is giving away free stuff to black people and that's why they vote for him; that's also presumably what Romney was alluding to when he said, "I'll never convince them [the 47%/Obama supporters] they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives."

    I should point out that there's less reluctance to get food stamps due to the recession, policies enacted by Bush, and economic recovery policies enacted by Obama. And as I've already mentioned, food stamps are one of the best forms of economic stimulus.
     
  12. JoostinOnline

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    I've met plenty of people who aren't black support Obama because he's black.
     
  13. leic7

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    What exactly are you trying to say? That food stamp recipients are actually financially well of? That their standard of living is actually better than those making $135k? What's the dollar equivalence of the food stamps, anyway?
     
  14. Lacius

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    Ignoring for a second that the article didn't "clearly show" that "most" black people vote for Obama solely because of skin color, I think you missed the point of the article:

    Basically, it's not racism if it has less to do with race and more to do with policy and animosity from the other side. I refer you back to Gahars' point about being a loyal voting block for the Democratic Party.
     
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  15. Hanafuda

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    That all depends on whether you agree with Sherilynn Ifill. It's just her opinion but it is used to close the article as if that is the conclusion that was reached. That's just crafty journalism. Interestingly enough, she is the cousin of Gwenn Ifill, one of the debate moderators in the 2008 election who denied any conflict of interest in moderating the debate while her book, "The Breakthrough : Politics and Race in the Age of Obama" was written, printed, and waiting to be released on Obama's inauguration day. Sherilynn Ifill has also published a book called, "The Relevance of Nooses and Lynching in the Age of Obama." Why go to this person to refute the proposition that Scott-Miller's tweet to Stacey Dash ("You get a lil money and you forget that you're black and a woman. Two things Romney hates.") was racist???

    I just think political correctness has hurt our ability to be honest with ourselves. That black people would want to see the first black president get re-elected, regardless of his record or competence, is completely understandable. The root of the emotion for feeling that way isn't much different than that guy with the "white" house t-shirt, but I think it's just a truth of human nature we're not going to evolve beyond for a long, long time. Why do you think gangs tend to assemble along racial lines? It's an issue of trust.
     
  16. Lemmy Koopa

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    I can imagine some republicans being against Obama for both policies and race.
     
  17. Hanafuda

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    Not sure what you mean by the 'dollar equivalence' ... if you mean how much buying power does being on food stamps give you? ... I believe a family of 4 that qualifies can get 500-600 dollars a month in food stamps, depending on income. AFAIK, the food stamps can only be used for FOOD - so that 500-600 bucks is actually quite a bit to have available. My family of four does not spend that much on groceries a month if you eliminate non-food items. With non-food items included (TP, paper towels, deodorant, soap, toothpaste, cleaning products, etc) our budget probably is about 600. But since the folks on food stamps have to spend that 500-600 bucks on food only, most don't skimp and it's plain to see in the checkout line. But, a lot of people on food stamps where I live still do go cheap, because they can trade the food stamps for cash, or drugs.


    Basically, it's 6000 to 7200 dollars of tax free income a year for a family of four. There are some people who truly need this help. I am not in any way opposed to the program, but only to how it is administered. There are a lot of people who are receiving food stamps now who are lying to qualify, and nothing is done to check or stop it. You want food stamps? You can probably get them.
     
  18. Gahars

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    Do you have proof to back up either claim?
     
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  19. BlueStar

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    You're really saying most black voters are only voting for Obama because he's black? You don't think their political views have anything to do with it, or that it's based on that fact that people like Al Gore, who stood on a similar platform but was white got 90% of the black vote? You think if the policies were exactly the same but the republican candidate was black and the democrat one white that most, ie more than 50% of these voters would have switched their vote and voted republican?

    How many Romney voters do you think are voting for him because he's white? How many Mormon voters are voting for him because he's Mormon?
     
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  20. Hanafuda

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    They catch a few, but it's a small percentage of the whole and they know it. I work in state government and I've seen how 'fraud' enforcement with entitlement programs usually works, which is when some private citizen (who usually knows the person who lied to get benefits) finds out about the fraud, they report it. When that happens, the government agency acts. But typically, little effort goes into actively auditing for fraud. Nothing like what people imagine. Remember the woman who had won a million bucks in the lottery but someone found out she was still getting food stamps? (she died recently - winning the lottery is bad for your health) The only reason she got caught is someone ratted her out to a TV station.

    It's not hard to find stories about food stamp fraud. About 15% of households nationwide are receiving food stamps now, and in some states like Michigan it's about 25% of all households.

    http://www.wsoctv.com/news/news/special-reports/9-investigates-food-stamp-fraud-costly-taxpayers/nN5kQ/


    http://www.abc2news.com/dpp/news/local_news/investigations/millions-commit-food-stamp-fraud-every-year


    Here's a story about Universities encouraging their students to apply for foodstamps/EBT cards regardless of their socioeconomic background, i.e. don't tell the government your parent's make six figures, just claim you're poor.

    http://dailycaller.com/2010/03/27/universities-encourage-students-to-enroll-in-food-stamp-program/


    Here's an interesting forum discussion/poll where 16% of those responding admitted to lying to get food stamps, and some give explanations for how to work it.
    http://forum.baby-gaga.com/about2217294-1.html

    Here's a story where lots of state employees in Connecticut got caught committing food stamp fraud by misreporting their income on a special program after Hurricane Irene. Unfortunately for them, there actually was an audit (this would never happen where I live). And they were fired.
    http://articles.courant.com/2011-12-06/news/hc-ed-state-food-fraud-20111206_1_federal-disaster-aid-state-employees-low-income

    But wait! Thanks to the union, they got their jobs back!
    http://articles.courant.com/2012-06-13/news/hc-dsnap-jobs-back-0614-20120613_1_d-snap-program-food-stamp-susan-r-meredith
     
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