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Roe V Wade has been repealed

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No Dave, it's not even about that. The Supreme Court's job is to apply the US Constitution to real life, and part of that is acknowledging when the Constitution is silent on an issue. It is silent on abortion. It is not an issue that is within the Federal government's Constitutional authority. The purpose of the Constitution is to grant only LIMITED powers to the Federal government. The rest belongs to the States. That's the deal.

Whether for better or worse, the Constitution does guarantee the right to keep and bear arms, and it's in the Bill of RIghts right after the 1st amendment right to free speech, religion, and free press. That's also the deal, like it or not. If it does its job correctly, the Court cannot ignore that anymore than it can make up rights out of thin air.




No, the 2nd amendment contains a prefatory clause, and an operative clause. The prefatory clause is merely an introduction, i.e. because a well-regulated militia is necessary to the security of a free state .... then the operative clause says what the amendment actually guarantees, i.e. the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. You could toss the prefatory clause in the garbage, and the operative clause would still be there as the actual thing the amendment says. The right belongs to "the people," not a militia.

Also "well regulated" in 1770's usage does not mean "subject to lots of regulations." It means in good working order, or properly equipped. A "well regulated" watch or clock was one that was tuned properly to keep good time. A "well regulated militia" is one that doesn't need weapons provided to it when people of a community unite to defend themselves in a time of emergency. That could be the British are coming, or an Indian raid on the frontier, or when a natural disaster such as a hurricane occurs, or if there is looting and rioting. Some of those possibilities are quite unlikely in modern times, but not all. That's why the US Code still identitifies all able-bodied males between 17 and 45 as members of the militia. That's why the "Rooftop Koreans" were able to defend themselves and their families, when LAPD abandoned them in the midst of the Rodney King riots.

This is absolutely right. If they want a right to abortion, pass a constitutional amendment. But they won't, because they know they'd never get the votes for it. Roe V Wade is and always has been a sham decision that usurps power to oligarchs that bypass the legislature.

Even if the left was to rig the system and expand the court so it becomes a weapon to wield federal power, noone in their right mind would ever listen to what they have to say again lol.
 

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Congrats. The correct reading of the 2nd amendment is responsible for countless deaths, including children you lot supposedly care so fucking much about. Maybe the issue isn't how to read it correctly, but how to change it so there aren't more school shootings than there are days.


By all means. Pass a constitutional amendment. But until then, the citizenry has the right to keep and bear arms that shall not be infringed.
 

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No, it's not. Just because you don't get your way all the time doesn't mean the system suddenly doesn't work for you.
Ironic that the right used to cry about "activist judges" until they were blue in the face, cried about not rushing in Supreme Court Justice nominations in election years, and how both sides need to find compromise while they were in the minority... only to ignore that rhetoric completely when they got a chance to one-side their unpopular agenda. Fascists love lying~

No Dave, it's not even about that. The Supreme Court's job is to apply the US Constitution to real life, and part of that is acknowledging when the Constitution is silent on an issue. It is silent on abortion. It is not an issue that is within the Federal government's Constitutional authority. The purpose of the Constitution is to grant only LIMITED powers to the Federal government. The rest belongs to the States. That's the deal.

Whether for better or worse, the Constitution does guarantee the right to keep and bear arms, and it's in the Bill of RIghts right after the 1st amendment right to free speech, religion, and free press. That's also the deal, like it or not. If it does its job correctly, the Court cannot ignore that anymore than it can make up rights out of thin air.
You... do know all laws were made up out of "thin air" as it were, right? The constitution isn't a tablet passed down from a divine being from a mountain top after smoking some bush. Folks make them up, sometimes by the will of a consensus! In this instance, its the will of a small group of corrupt theocratic fascists representing the dumbest fraction of the populous of a country as well as exploitative wealthy elites who profit on the ignorance of the dumbest fraction of said country in a very un-democratic move.
No, the 2nd amendment contains a prefatory clause, and an operative clause. The prefatory clause is merely an introduction, i.e. because a well-regulated militia is necessary to the security of a free state .... then the operative clause says what the amendment actually guarantees, i.e. the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. You could toss the prefatory clause in the garbage, and the operative clause would still be there as the actual thing the amendment says. The right belongs to "the people," not a militia.

Also "well regulated" in 1770's usage does not mean "subject to lots of regulations." It means in good working order, or properly equipped. A "well regulated" watch or clock was one that was tuned properly to keep good time. A "well regulated militia" is one that doesn't need weapons provided to it when people of a community unite to defend themselves in a time of emergency. That could be the British are coming, or an Indian raid on the frontier, or when a natural disaster such as a hurricane occurs, or if there is looting and rioting. Some of those possibilities are quite unlikely in modern times, but not all. That's why the US Code still identitifies all able-bodied males between 17 and 45 as members of the militia. That's why the "Rooftop Koreans" were able to defend themselves and their families, when LAPD abandoned them in the midst of the Rodney King riots.
That is some impressive mental gymnastics there, comrade! Let's bring up the second amendment now and see how this applies! Bare with me here, I know it is long winded and all, but...

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

The structure of the singular sentence is a bit awkward nowaday, and the terminology is a bit archaic, but the meaning is quite clear. A Militia is stated as necessary to the security of a free state according to this. A Militia is a group of citizens acting as an ARMY in the place of an actual standing military. It can be made up of anybody, and thusly anybody (who was recognized as a full citizen, sorry women and minorities) can join and they should have the ability to be armed UPON ENTERING INTO A MILITIA AND NOT BEFORE. Following so far? Cool.

Even when this concept was being practiced, militias were wildly insufficient and the first President was quite frustrated with the concept. Militia men were undisciplined, not fit enough to perform military duties adequately, and took too long to rally against an external threat. This lead to all kinds of issues, and by the late 1700s, it fell to the states to "regulate" their militias as their active military force.

Flash forward to 1812 and militias getting rocked lead to the forming of a standing federal ARMY. Militias were phased out and the only government recognized militias became things like the National Guard. The militia act of 1903 does add the option for State Defense Forces, but our absolutely staggering national defense budget for our standing military tells the tale of what the country thinks of militias pretty well at this point.

Where does this all lead to regarding the right to bare arms? Simple... WE ARE NO LONGER ARMING CITIZENS TO PERFORM FEDERAL OR EVEN STATE DUTIES AND DEFENSE AT THE DROP OF A HAT! We have a standing military now, and if you want to join the military in order to secure your right to a firearm, join the club! Us vets LOVE well trained men and women who serve their country! Want a firearm but want to stay in your community? Go and SERVE with the guard, or local law enforcement. What do they all have in common? They are REGULATED in the sense that everyone gets what they realistically need in materials and training for their tasks in service to their country. You don't get all the ammo you can eat, you don't get whatever firearms you want just because you want them, and you're evaluated to see if you're viable to have a firearm and then trained in their use and maintenance and safety.

Jesus, it shouldn't be this hard to understand... if folks in the military and law enforcement have to go through long winded processes to procure their firearms and wield them, why should the second amendment mean anything less for civilians who aren't in a militia or similar service capacity? Also, selective service does not mean you've served nor that you're part of a militia. You're just accepting that you can be tapped to become active.
 
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Congrats. The correct reading of the 2nd amendment is responsible for countless deaths, including children you lot supposedly care so fucking much about. Maybe the issue isn't how to read it correctly, but how to change it so there aren't regularly more school shootings than there are days.
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We get it, you care more about guns than people.

Your strawman responses aren't convincing anyone.

99% of us legal gun owners aren't using them to aimlessly murder people, they use them to protect themselves and others that they love. Whether it be from criminals that wish to do harm or a federal government that wishes to infringe on their rights, the people have the right to fend off against evil.
 
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Let's switch places guys and girls
Most people who are against abortion are men, am i right?
So, instead of illegalising abortion, lets make mandatory that if the woman doesn't want baby, the man goes chop chop
 

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No Dave, it's not even about that. The Supreme Court's job is to apply the US Constitution to real life, and part of that is acknowledging when the Constitution is silent on an issue. It is silent on abortion. It is not an issue that is within the Federal government's Constitutional authority. The purpose of the Constitution is to grant only LIMITED powers to the Federal government. The rest belongs to the States. That's the deal.

Whether for better or worse, the Constitution does guarantee the right to keep and bear arms, and it's in the Bill of RIghts right after the 1st amendment right to free speech, religion, and free press. That's also the deal, like it or not. If it does its job correctly, the Court cannot ignore that anymore than it can make up rights out of thin air.




No, the 2nd amendment contains a prefatory clause, and an operative clause. The prefatory clause is merely an introduction, i.e. because a well-regulated militia is necessary to the security of a free state .... then the operative clause says what the amendment actually guarantees, i.e. the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. You could toss the prefatory clause in the garbage, and the operative clause would still be there as the actual thing the amendment says. The right belongs to "the people," not a militia.

Also "well regulated" in 1770's usage does not mean "subject to lots of regulations." It means in good working order, or properly equipped. A "well regulated" watch or clock was one that was tuned properly to keep good time. A "well regulated militia" is one that doesn't need weapons provided to it when people of a community unite to defend themselves in a time of emergency. That could be the British are coming, or an Indian raid on the frontier, or when a natural disaster such as a hurricane occurs, or if there is looting and rioting. Some of those possibilities are quite unlikely in modern times, but not all. That's why the US Code still identitifies all able-bodied males between 17 and 45 as members of the militia. That's why the "Rooftop Koreans" were able to defend themselves and their families, when LAPD abandoned them in the midst of the Rodney King riots.
this is beautifully written it does not get more clear than this
 
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99% of us legal gun owners aren't using them to aimlessly murder people, they use them to protect themselves and others that they love. Whether it be from criminals that wish to do harm or a federal government that wishes to infringe on their rights, the people have the right to fend off against evil.
Great, that excuses all the murdered children then right?

It's just embarrassing for the right wing shitheads when abortion and gun debates are mixed in the same thread, because it's suddnely screamingly obvious how hypocritical the "pro life" bullshit is.
 
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is not what? Responsible for the deaths? Because the deaths don't happen anywhere else that doesn't have your precious gun amendment. We had one (1) school shooting in this country ever, and people decided it was pretty obvious the guns needed to go. Becuase lives are more important than your precious bang bang sticks.
 

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Your strawman responses aren't convincing anyone.

99% of us legal gun owners aren't using them to aimlessly murder people, they use them to protect themselves and others that they love. Whether it be from criminals that wish to do harm or a federal government that wishes to infringe on their rights, the people have the right to fend off against evil.
you don't seem to understand that they already infriged the rights of women, do you think they'll stay at that step?
 
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Let's switch places guys and girls
Most people who are against abortion are men, am i right?
So, instead of illegalising abortion, lets make mandatory that if the woman doesn't want baby, the man goes chop chop
I like this notion, but let us be generous. Vasectomy procedures are reversible, have more benign and less serious side effects than an abortion or even most forms of birth control, and are even covered to a huge degree by most insurance plans! They're comparatively inexpensive to boot~

Pony up, fellas. If you aren't having a family any time soon and want to argue abortions are bad, get a snip and then pretend like you're taking this seriously :lol:
 

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you don't seem to understand that they already infriged the rights of women, do you think they'll stay at that step?
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"they" being the justice(s) who made the leaked statement. Their objectives are clear.

If you gun nuts don't use your guns to prevent these rights being taken away, you are 100% full of shit and may not speak on the subject again.
 

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Great, that excuses all the murdered children then right?

It's just embarrassing for the right wing shitheads when abortion and gun debates are mixed in the same thread, because it's suddnely screamingly obvious how hypocritical the "pro life" bullshit is.


I'm sorry you are being so disingenuous. Everybody and there mother recognizes how tragic the uvalde school shooting was. But it's pretty damn telling from the way the left reacts to these tragedies just where their heads are. If they wanted to they could easily have drafted up a bill that renovates each and every school to single point of entry, multiple exit facilities like airports, upped security, etc and it would have bipartisan support. The government can protect federal buildings and airports, and can send billions to fund some stupid war across the ocean, but can't invest in protecting our students from bad guys. Instead their solutions always go to how can we take rights away from legal, responsible gun owners. Then when they don't get their way, they decide to not do anything and wait for the next school shooting so they can spark more outrage.

No, being pro life and being pro 2nd amendment aren't mutually exclusive. I can hate children being murdered whilst also recognizing that I have the right to protect my loved ones from harm.
 

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I'm sorry you are being so disingenuous. Everybody and there mother recognizes how tragic the uvalde school shooting was. But it's pretty damn telling from the way the left reacts to these tragedies just where their heads are. If they wanted to they could easily have drafted up a bill that renovates each and every school to single point of entry, multiple exit facilities like airports, upped security, etc and it would have bipartisan support. The government can protect federal buildings and airports, and can send billions to fund some stupid war across the ocean, but can't invest in protecting our students from bad guys. Instead their solutions always go to how can we take rights away from legal, responsible gun owners. Then when they don't get their way, they decide to not do anything and wait for the next school shooting so they can spark more outrage.

No, being pro life and being pro 2nd amendment aren't mutually exclusive. I can hate children being murdered whilst also recognizing that I have the right to protect my loved ones from harm.
Eagerly awaiting your response to my above post.
 

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Time Zones are crazy

In Australia it's 03.17am

In Japan its 02.17 am

In America its 1942 where minorities and women are still controlled by old white men.
who would have though that canadians had a better mentality than muricans... wait... i totally did for years :tpi:
 
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Congrats. The correct reading of the 2nd amendment is responsible for countless deaths, including children you lot supposedly care so fucking much about. Maybe the issue isn't how to read it correctly, but how to change it so there aren't regularly more school shootings than there are days.
Rights are not contingent on other people following the law in their exercise of said rights.
 

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Rights are not contingent on other people following the law in their exercise of said rights.
what you guys don't understand in most peoples opinion is that we aren't against the gun wearing right. We are against the very easy acces to guns
 
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