Hacking Riivolution for backups

[chaosdarkneo]

I've used the search function, and I do know that it wasn't possible some time ago... However, is it possible now?

But I'm in need of something like this, as my brother recently broke my Super Mario Galaxy 2 disk, which I was using in conjunction with Riivolution for this project here:

http://supermariogalaxy2-5.com/index.cgi

Now that I don't have an original disk, I can't use Riivolution, and thus, can't do anything for the project...

I was lucky enough to make a backup of my disk, of course, and stick it on my 500GB hard drive...

Is it possible, or has it been done already?
Is there any way to have Riivolution work for backups?

Or am I simply out of luck?

Thanks in advance...

 

[Wiip™]

No, it does not.
http://wiibrew.org/wiki/Riivolution

 

[megazig]

Nintendo will probably replace your disc for you. you can usually contact them and they can replace broken discs

 

[tj_cool]

According to their site you have to buy a new copy.

If the game is published by Nintendo and it was purchased more than 90 days ago, or you do not have a proof of purchase, we cannot offer a warranty repair. (This also includes games that were purchased used or that are physically damaged.) We recommend purchasing a replacement copy of the game at a retailer.

But regardless you're going to need a new disc if you want to use Riivolution.

 

[diddy81]

your going to need to buy a new disc
but until you do you could try replacing the files in a iso to test on your usb loader or in dolphin

 

[megazig]

According to their site you have to buy a new copy.

If the game is published by Nintendo and it was purchased more than 90 days ago, or you do not have a proof of purchase, we cannot offer a warranty repair. (This also includes games that were purchased used or that are physically damaged.) We recommend purchasing a replacement copy of the game at a retailer.

But regardless you're going to need a new disc if you want to use Riivolution.

this is a broken policy

 

[XFlak]

how so?

 

[megazig]

broken media should be replaceable. and to prevent piracy it should be able to be done without time restrictions if there's proof of purchase

 

[mvgc3]

But it's not that hard to keep discs in good condition. If a disc gets broken it's the owner's fault, or rather not the company's. chaosdarkneo said his brother broke the disc, which was either malicious, or a result of improper handling (left on the floor or something). It's not Nintendo's responsibility to replace it.

 

[VashTS]

but the cost of the disc is literally around a penny or two for the company. if proof of purchase is provided, a replacement would not hurt the company that severely.

an example, i bought a microsoft keyboard and mouse a while back, probably over a year ago, and the mouse wheel kept stopping and wouldn't work again until i pulled the battery. i called them and you know what they did? they sent me a brand new keyboard and mouse, without asking for the original POS back. so now i got a free keyboard and mouse (and it was a better model). not many people break their discs and when asked they should send a new one. hell even make the person pay for shipping.

that being said, riivolution sucks. the devs go out of their way to block pirates. i boycott and protest riivolution. i know Newer Super mario bros is going to use it, but i guess i won't be playing it if thats the only method. i like the devs behind it, but blocking piracy is a joke. using the software on a wii is unauthorized by nintendo as is.

 

[Taleweaver]

broken media should be replaceable. and to prevent piracy it should be able to be done without time restrictions if there's proof of purchase

No it shouldn't. Nintendo isn't responsible for how you (or anyone near you) treat their games. Their only duty is to make sure the disc itself is in good condition when you buy it.

Piracy is never an argument in this, and it's even absurd to mention it. It's like threatening to rob a bank if they don't lower their loan conditions.



EDIT: @VashTS: did riivolution had any update since I last checked, then? I know that at first, the reason riivolution didn't work on backups was because their hacks were simply interfering with cIOS and the developers didn't go out of their way to cater for non-standard IOS'es (which, face it, change far more often than IOS'es). The attitude pirates gave them not exactly encouraged them to do so either, but afaik, they didn't go anywhere to actively block pirates (aside from not releasing the source code, that is).

 

[OneUp]

If you wanted to use a burned backup of the game you could trick riivolution into thinking it was a normal game if you installed one of those full cIOS mods that replaces every IOS. However, I don't think there is a current version and that method is generally seen as unsafe etc.

I haven't actually explored XNEEK, but it might also be able to trick riivolution into thinking a real game was loaded in the drive (even from usb).

It would be neat if Nintendo offered a replacement disk, even if it cost the user a bit of money, but still be cheaper than buying another copy. My Mario Party 8 disk and Mario Kart Wii disk somehow got damaged to where they either won't load, or freeze in game. Luckily I backed up a friend's copies and can play it, but not with riivolution.

 

[SifJar]

broken media should be replaceable. and to prevent piracy it should be able to be done without time restrictions if there's proof of purchase

Nintendo can't be responsible for replacing every Wii disc anyone breaks. That would cost them a clean fortune. I can see where you're coming from, but if you buy something, it's up to you to look after it and keep it in good condition.

 

[Taleweaver]

If you wanted to use a burned backup of the game you could trick riivolution into thinking it was a normal game if you installed one of those full cIOS mods that replaces every IOS. However, I don't think there is a current version and that method is generally seen as unsafe etc.

I haven't actually explored XNEEK, but it might also be able to trick riivolution into thinking a real game was loaded in the drive (even from usb).

Hmm...don't take it the wrong way, but I think vou have no idea what you're talking about. The whole reason riivolution doesn't work with backups is because it doesn't work with non-standard IOS'es. Installing more cIOS'es won't suddenly change that simple fact.

Neek is the exact same thing: it doesn't use original IOS'es* so riivolution won't work on them.




*though I have to admit I'm not sure how they are different

 

[SifJar]

If you wanted to use a burned backup of the game you could trick riivolution into thinking it was a normal game if you installed one of those full cIOS mods that replaces every IOS. However, I don't think there is a current version and that method is generally seen as unsafe etc.

I haven't actually explored XNEEK, but it might also be able to trick riivolution into thinking a real game was loaded in the drive (even from usb).

Hmm...don't take it the wrong way, but I think vou have no idea what you're talking about. The whole reason riivolution doesn't work with backups is because it doesn't work with non-standard IOS'es. Installing more cIOS'es won't suddenly change that simple fact.

Neek is the exact same thing: it doesn't use original IOS'es* so riivolution won't work on them.




*though I have to admit I'm not sure how they are different

With *NEEK, some modules are replaced (most notably, DI - this is what allows backups. I think also ES and some other stuff though) by *NEEK, so only parts of the official IOS are running. Or something like that.

 

[terminal_illness]

2 words mod chip

 

[PsyBlade]

But it's not that hard to keep discs in good condition. If a disc gets broken it's the owner's fault, or rather not the company's. chaosdarkneo said his brother broke the disc, which was either malicious, or a result of improper handling (left on the floor or something). It's not Nintendo's responsibility to replace it.

It is Nintendos fault for not allowing it to be handled properly.
Because proper handling of ANY data that is worth something includes making a backup.

 

[SifJar]

2 words mod chip

Riivolution blocks (yes, actively blocks) at least some modchips (mildly impressive in that that is something Nintendo haven't managed to achieve with software).

 

[terminal_illness]

my wiikey2 is not blocked.

 

[SifJar]

Congrats. But like I said, some are.