[RELEASE] Luma Updater

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  1. Jayro

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    Will you eventually add back nightly build support, now that most people are on Luma 8.1.1 or 9.0?
     
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    I have no plans to. But I'll think about it.
     
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    I'd love it to make a comeback, because updating nightlies now requires a PC and is very tedious.
     
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    Yeah, I get it. It's just that the hourlies/nightlies left a bad taste in my mouth after the v7.1 to v8.0 update. I'll think about it.
     
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    Thanks, and amazing work by the way! :yay3ds:
     
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    I mean, there's a reason as to why they're nightlies and not stable releases.
     
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    Well, even the stable releases caused issues because people didn't read/know to update to b9s v1.2 and then claimed that the app bricked their device.
     
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    I thought that was the whole reason they were removed; instability. Why have them if they can potentially cause more issues for regular users than they solve compared to stable releases? IMO if you want nightlies you should download them manually. At least then if you found them yourself you're probably seasoned enough to know to use your backup if something goes wrong versus making a new thread "Luma updater bricked my console!"
     
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    Well, that's an issue with those people and nobody else.
     
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    Not quite. Updating manually to every single nightly if you're into that sort of thing is tedious. Hell, the whole reason why I even bothered writing updaters in the past was to prevent myself from having to transfer the files manually. If you don't want nightlies, don't use them. I wouldn't have removed the option. At most, I'd have hidden it and make it show up or not through a config file.
     
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    Should I do a compromise instead? Give out a special version of the app only to those who want to download the hourlies and not provide the download link to the public to prevent noobs from getting a hold of it and using it?
     
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    Eh, wouldn't it be simpler to check for the existence of some file and enable or disable the option depending on that? That's what I used to do with Corbenik Updater.
     
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    Right.... They SHOULD be tedious to download because they aren't stable. If a new commit had a new feature you are impatient for, you should definitely have to find it/compile it yourself to avoid the blame game from noobs. That's all I'm saying. To most people around here causation = correlation so they can literally restore a bad NAND dump, Press "b" after booting and claim their "B" button bricked their console. I still think nightlies should be reserved for people that would know how to compile them if they weren't already supplied. I mean when the nightly versions have bugs what's the solution; use the stable one. Honestly to each their own but through observation on here it's evident people don't know what to do when something goes wrong, even if they have a backup. IMO it's just easier to avoid that situation entirely.
     
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    They *shouldn't* be tedious to download and use. That makes it annoying even for people who are knowledgeable enough to use them and troubleshoot their own issues. There's no real point to doing so. Again, just block the option unless you add a file or an option in a config. Pretty sure that solves the problem of people without the knowledge thinking they bricked by installing a nightly.
     
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    It probably would and it would probably be a setting in lumaupdater.cfg. But since I forked the project, I had reports that issues were appearing in lumaupdater.cfg and I could never have the time to figure them out.
     
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    True that would more or less solve the issue anyway. I'm not hating on nightlies i just hate when noobs use them, something is broken, and they come here bitching that XX bricked their console.
     
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    Maybe have the nightlies locked behind a textwall of warnings with the 5 d-pad arrows button combo to "continue at your own risk". Then have it install the nightly, backing up their stable build first.
     
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    Meh, I still think uniform stability should trump ease of access in any program development.
     
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    You could take the lazy way out and add another file lul
     
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    Well she did say she didn't have time to look into it. If you guys are good with C why not open a pull request, add the commit yourself and help her out a bit if it's that easy? Teamwork and all. I've got the time, just not the knowledge or else I'd do it myself and help both of you guys :(
     
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