REAL first working 3DS ds flashcard

[deathking]

Please stop trying to crack the 3DS mode!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So we can get some proper 3DS games instead of all the crap we get on the DS

nonsense if this was true then the ds would of not get any games after flash carts got made

 

[minilion]

Nintendo Anti-Piracy protection=EPIC FAIL

There's only so much they can do with DS mode. Even though it's within a new unit, it's still essentially 5 year old, widely compromised technology and there's only so much they can do if retail DS games are going to continue to run on both the 3DS and DS systems.

Exactly. DS-mode flashcards have a 100% clean ROM inside, with just one slight modification: some exploit code in the NitroFS. When booting a DS-mode game, the Nintendo firmware for DSi and 3DS checks for *KNOWN* cart addresses where flashcard makers have changed the data for their exploit. It turns out that the R4iDSN and iEvolution are just using cart addresses which are not check by the firmware *YET*. Infact, this is not a 'hack' at all. Though it's very likely that future Nintendo firmware updates will check these new cart addresses.

Now with that said, DSi mode and 3DS mode is totally different. This is where the new copy protection comes into play, and most likely the focus of Nintendo. DSi games are protected with an RSA signature in the header, AND an embedded hashtable to verify the ALL data contents of a game completely on the fly.
Because all data contents are verified, this means games cannot be PATCHED like ALL cards currently do (except iEvolution, but it has no savegame chip emulation). This puts a tremendous challenge for the hardware of a flashcard, because all flashcards use microSD which is TOO SLOW to emulate a DSi/DS ROM with NO PATCHING (and probably too slow for 3DS ROM too). Sadly, I think no current flashcard out there has the right combination of hardware components to emulate a DS/DSi/3DS ROM properly.

Furthermore, DSi mode had a new set of blowfish keys for the cart encryption, which so far only Team Cyclops has shown to have acquired. And god knows how long that took for them, probably through sniffing the TWL RAM chip.
Without a doubt, 3DS will feature a new set of blowfish keys aswell, and with the 3DS showing an epoxy layer over the RAM chip, and no easy access vias for the RAM chip, it just becomes almost impossible to sniff the 3DS RAM chip for these keys.

All in all, I think it will take a VERY long time before a 3DS-mode flashcard comes out.

Just my 2 cents so far.

 

[klim28]

This is pretty good. For me, I don't want flashcarts running 3DS mode. DS mode is all I need.

 

[Izham]

Well, I for one am glad they're able to crack it. The ds mode that is. I'm sure it'll take some time to crack the 3ds mode but yeah, I'm actually hoping that it doesn't get cracked since it's still new and all

 

[Toni Plutonij]

I just hope Nintendo doesn't fix this for the Europe release!

I'd be perfectly happy with the DS mode on the 3DS..looks like I'll be getting 3DS sooner then I thought!

 

[shakirmoledina]

me too... but i am thinking whether i should get a 3ds just for one or two games AND a DS cart or... cuz there are many games tht i have tht i havent finished for the DS before it broke
then later on, we will have another cart above this one to be played for the 3ds... unless YWG does something with the r4 firmware and makes an amazing breakthrough which would force me to buy a 3ds

minilion thts some nice explanation but u broke my heart though i think the intensity of 3ds hacking will be more than tht of DS (we need teamoverflow for this again)

 

[boktor666]

ITS A TRAP.

No srsly, this is a trap. The first two working flashcards, and it's already on the biggest flashcard community of the world. Don't you think it's strange that these cards are working, while they claimed to have big ass AP on their system. Mabey they are, at the moment, looking at the news of these cards and already are producing counter measures.

Good thing though that iCyclo is already working without the update. Seems that the DS bootstrap is the same as the dsi.

 

[Bladexdsl]

Don't you think it's strange that these cards are working, while they claimed to have big ass AP on their system.

it's only DS mode 3ds mode is still untouched. 3ds mode is where the big BAD AP is

 

[AndroidDem0man]

Kind of off topic here,

If i bought one of these cards and lets say, played new super mario bros, would i be able to use the control stick?
I'm probably pretty stupid for asking that. but i just dont get it at all

 

[moodswinger]

ITS A TRAP.

No srsly, this is a trap. The first two working flashcards, and it's already on the biggest flashcard community of the world. Don't you think it's strange that these cards are working, while they claimed to have big ass AP on their system. Mabey they are, at the moment, looking at the news of these cards and already are producing counter measures.

Good thing though that iCyclo is already working without the update. Seems that the DS bootstrap is the same as the dsi.

Well, it is possible that they only applied the AP on the 3DS mode.

 

[Stevetry]

all we need is good old Ds mode to play the already huge ds game library for 3ds games buy them people

 

[BlueStar]

Kind of off topic here,

If i bought one of these cards and lets say, played new super mario bros, would i be able to use the control stick?
I'm probably pretty stupid for asking that. but i just dont get it at all

As far as I remember, you can use the cotnrol stick in DS mode, but obviously it only works in a digital, 8 way fashion rather than analogue. ie you're not going to be able to push it a little in one direction to make Mario move slowly.

 

[indask8]

And I don't think Nintendo will spend thousand of $$$$ in protecting games from an old and soon to be abandoned system.

They'll certainly issue one/two updates to tell the devs "Hey look you can continue developing shovelware on NDS we're protecting your back" but that will be it.

 

[boktor666]

ITS A TRAP.

No srsly, this is a trap. The first two working flashcards, and it's already on the biggest flashcard community of the world. Don't you think it's strange that these cards are working, while they claimed to have big ass AP on their system. Mabey they are, at the moment, looking at the news of these cards and already are producing counter measures.

Good thing though that iCyclo is already working without the update. Seems that the DS bootstrap is the same as the dsi.

Well, it is possible that they only applied the AP on the 3DS mode.

I dun think so matey. Why would they care less for their older games. It's still made by companies, and they still want to see money for it. I think it's just to test the community of hackers, and then block the cards.

 

[moodswinger]

ITS A TRAP.

No srsly, this is a trap. The first two working flashcards, and it's already on the biggest flashcard community of the world. Don't you think it's strange that these cards are working, while they claimed to have big ass AP on their system. Mabey they are, at the moment, looking at the news of these cards and already are producing counter measures.

Good thing though that iCyclo is already working without the update. Seems that the DS bootstrap is the same as the dsi.

Well, it is possible that they only applied the AP on the 3DS mode.

I dun think so matey. Why would they care less for their older games. It's still made by companies, and they still want to see money for it. I think it's just to test the community of hackers, and then block the cards.

They didn't make much of a test... Cyclo worked without any updates.

 

[Bladexdsl]

all we need is good old Ds mode to play the already huge ds game library for 3ds games buy them people

i will when some decent ones come up not the shite i have seen so far

 

[GH0ST]

That's a great confirmation and It looks like DSi mode is working at least on one bootstrap... ( not confirmed)

It will help reversing the 3DS further, it is time to dig around wifi mode.

 

[boktor666]

ITS A TRAP.

No srsly, this is a trap. The first two working flashcards, and it's already on the biggest flashcard community of the world. Don't you think it's strange that these cards are working, while they claimed to have big ass AP on their system. Mabey they are, at the moment, looking at the news of these cards and already are producing counter measures.

Good thing though that iCyclo is already working without the update. Seems that the DS bootstrap is the same as the dsi.

Well, it is possible that they only applied the AP on the 3DS mode.

I dun think so matey. Why would they care less for their older games. It's still made by companies, and they still want to see money for it. I think it's just to test the community of hackers, and then block the cards.

They didn't make much of a test... Cyclo worked without any updates.

exactly.

Thats the point. (you know where I'm going?)

 

[iceBaer]

Wait, people think 3DS mode will be hacked that easily just because the good ol' DS mode is already freed for the 3DS?
You could have been sure from the start, that atleast DSmode would be possible for flashcarts. But the 3DS mode isn't hacked yet, and I doubt it will be that soon.
DS security =/= 3DS security
DS security was just as similiar as an update of the DSi, so really not a big deal.

Anyway, I hope Acekard2i will work soon too, but I hope 3DS mode will be fine at least for a year or better forever, since quality games > free games

 

[ProtoKun7]

This is certainly a nice surprise.

I still haven't got an iEvo, but still, very pleasant indeed.