Hacking R4i "games-engine"version

[Porobu]

All with the name R4i... Is FAKE, CLONE
Is NOT real

 

[Schizoanalysis]

I'm not going to go in too deeply about the pitfalls of buying clones, but such activity can only have a detrimental affect on the 'original' manufacturers continued development and ongoing support for the original product. Not only does it devalue their product, but it also gives the 'clonemakers' a undeserved share of a market when they have made no real outlay to get into.


...did you stop to think that playing roms devalues the ORIGINAL game cards from Nintendo? And that playing roms has a detrimental effect on the ORIGINAL manufacturers of the game... and continued development of new games could, thus, also stop if people continue to play these CLONED games... All flashcard manufacturers have an undeserved share of the market, as the bulk of their profit does come from piracy...


If one gets too precious about originality... going back to the ORIGINAL game card is the only logical option...


I have multiple flashcards -- I don't see the problem with trying different types... they are cheap afterall... My first card was a "REAL" R4, I sold it, and I don't have problem buying a CLONE R4 if it is cheap enough and offers something novel...



QUOTE(Porobu @ Mar 6 2010, 09:39 AM) All with the name R4i... Is FAKE, CLONE
Is NOT real

Yes, we all know that all R4i cards are clones... it seems redundant (if not somewhat arrogant) to mention such a blindingly obvious fact...

 

[Dark^'^Knigh]

...did you stop to think that playing roms devalues the ORIGINAL game cards from Nintendo? And that playing roms has a detrimental effect on the ORIGINAL manufacturers of the game... and continued development of new games could, thus, also stop if people continue to play these CLONED games... All flashcard manufacturers have an undeserved share of the market, as the bulk of their profit does come from piracy...

Yes, I understand the broader impact of flashcarts, but that was NOT what this discussion was about. It was a fake/clone vs. 'original' flashcart discussion

We can all extrapolate almost any argument into "the bigger picture" - well done to you! I'm not going to argue with you, because your comments are accurate in the quote, it was just irrelevant to my posted reply directed to hundshamer.
If you want to have a one-way discussion of how flashcarts & piracy affect game development & Ninty's continued profit growth & prosperity, start a thread (you would love to have that side of a classroom debate).

 

[hundshamer]

Abridged quote from Wiki:
...computers used to be referred to as PC clones, or IBM clones since they almost exactly duplicated all the significant features of the PC architecture, facilitated by various manufacturers' ability to legally reverse engineer the BIOS through clean room design. Many early IBM PC compatibles used the same computer bus as the original PC and AT models The term "IBM PC compatible" is now a historical description only since IBM has withdrawn from personal computer sales.
Descendants of the IBM PC compatibles make up the majority of microcomputers on the market today...

I don't see how its a bad analogy. Maybe because they aren't actually clones anymore but the decendants of those clones, but the same seems to have happened to the original R4. Clones came out for much cheaper pushing the originals out of the race.

Moving forward, my main point is why care so much that its a clone? We have moved on from the IBM compatible "clones" to just a PC computer. Why can't we move from it's an R4 clone to it's just another cart?

 

[Krestent]

Abridged quote from Wiki:
...computers used to be referred to as PC clones, or IBM clones since they almost exactly duplicated all the significant features of the PC architecture, facilitated by various manufacturers' ability to legally reverse engineer the BIOS through clean room design. Many early IBM PC compatibles used the same computer bus as the original PC and AT models The term "IBM PC compatible" is now a historical description only since IBM has withdrawn from personal computer sales.
Descendants of the IBM PC compatibles make up the majority of microcomputers on the market today...

I don't see how its a bad analogy. Maybe because they aren't actually clones anymore but the decendants of those clones, but the same seems to have happened to the original R4. Clones came out for much cheaper pushing the originals out of the race.

Moving forward, my main point is why care so much that its a clone? We have moved on from the IBM compatible "clones" to just a PC computer. Why can't we move from it's an R4 clone to it's just another cart?

Did any of those computer manufacturers use the same brand as the original?

 

[hundshamer]

No. This cart isn't called an R4. It's called an R4i-SDHC. If you take IBM and IBMC technically they are different names. Granted IBMC has nothing to do with computers, but they are different brands. I'm done arguing. My point is I have this cart and I am happy with it, clone or not.

 

[Dark^'^Knigh]

The thing is if you had crawled away and kept low for a while, your stupid non-sensical analogy (and subsequent two contributing baseless posts) would have been long forgotten.

I'm sorry, major fail "cloneboy" - and for the record, for the last time: it was a terrible, terrible analogy!

 

[hundshamer]

O.K. Look. I have an opinion. It differs from yours. You call it a bad analogy but don't say why. I am listening and am more opened minded than you may believe. As you called it earlier a discussion. There is no need for the name calling. We can continue this as a discussion if you wish. Calling it a terrible analogy over and over does not win an arguement. Neither does calling people names. However, if you actually put some valid points up for discussion you may be able to sway my or anyone else who share my opinion.

You don't like clones because they copied the original without permission to the point of the originals demise. I get and respect that. Although different situations you can't help but at least see the similarities. IBM put out the PC and it was cloned. It depreciated the value of the IBM PC until it no longer exists. R4 was made and it was cloned until it no longer exists.

As far as cloneboy. Yes I own this clone and am happy with it as it does what it claims and cost me $5 USD. I also have an M3i that was $25 and in my eyes have very similar functions. I am happy with it as well. I use the M3i and I gave the R4 to my kid. Why give the kid an M3i when all he will do is break it like his first R4 (I swear my kids can find a way to break anything). It was just a cheap alternative that I am happy with.

 

[Hyper3D]

Great, I hope my R4i that I won from the Christmas competition isn't fake.

 

[House Spider]

It is, there is no real R4i. The only official R4 is the R4 Revolution. If its not that name its fake so yes it is fake.