PS4 NOT backward compatible with PS3

[Guild McCommunist]

Because... yknow... there is apparently no difference between ps3 and ps2 games, or between ps2 and ps1 games apparently.

Um, they're all played on discs so they're obviously the fucking same.

Get your facts straight.

 

[xerodragon21]

Alright, so if they made the system $599 and gave it PS3 support, would you be happy?

It seems like no one here understands like... how shit works.

If I could sell my ps3 for $150-250 then sure it actually would. And to the person above that also quoted me, the ONLY reason I bought a ps3 was my friend sold it to me super cheap, the biggest annoyance if you will is they removed its BC and turned around and put ps1 and ps2 games on the psn... Yes let me buy a game I already own again just because you failed to make a system BC OR at least have the ability to play roms

 

[Guild McCommunist]

If I could sell my ps3 for $150-250 then sure it actually would. And to the person above that also quoted me, the ONLY reason I bought a ps3 was my friend sold it to me super cheap, the biggest annoyance if you will is they removed its BC and turned around and put ps1 and ps2 games on the psn... Yes let me buy a game I already own again just because you failed to make a system BC OR at least have the ability to play roms

I think it's pretty logical to realize that, with trade in, you'd pay the same as just keeping your PS3 and non-backwards compatible PS4. So why not just have it be slightly more inconvenient so Sony can sell it at a broader pricepoint that isn't so terrible that it'll dead on arrival like the PS3?

Sony doesn't cater to you. Sony caters to millions of people, most of which don't want to pay $599 for a new console, regardless of BC.

 

[xerodragon21]

Because... yknow... there is apparently no difference between ps3 and ps2 games, or between ps2 and ps1 games apparently.
Do people seriously not think when before they talk out their ass?
We get it, you dont wanna rebuy games.
THEN
YOU
DONT
HAVE
TO.
If your really going to sit there and say "HAY, THERE AINT MUCH DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PS3 AND PS2, ILL STAY WIFF MA PS2," you must literally have no eyes, and no perception of gaming.
To say you wont buy this freaking beast of a new console, that will have the ability to play games even better then a ps3, and A MILLION times better then a ps2&1, then I'm just going to laugh as you lay in the waste of the old gen while I enjoy the shit out of this new gen.

K that's nice, I'm not saying they aren't different I am however questioning why something so "beastly" isn't capable of playing an older version of that consoles games but a PC can play EVERYTHING except current gen and that's only bc to my knowledge no ones tried to make an emulator. I'm pretty damn sure that a PC esp top of the line blows ANY system out of the water

 

[Gahars]

K that's nice, I'm not saying they aren't different I am however questioning why something so "beastly" isn't capable of playing an older version of that consoles games but a PC can play EVERYTHING except current gen and that's only bc to my knowledge no ones tried to make an emulator. I'm pretty damn sure that a PC esp top of the line blows ANY system out of the water

Oh my god, I can't take it anymore. You are killing my brain.

 

[Guild McCommunist]

K that's nice, I'm not saying they aren't different I am however questioning why something so "beastly" isn't capable of playing an older version of that consoles games but a PC can play EVERYTHING except current gen and that's only bc to my knowledge no ones tried to make an emulator. I'm pretty damn sure that a PC esp top of the line blows ANY system out of the water

Who said the PS4 won't play PS1 or PS2 games?

And no shit a top of the line PC blows any gaming system out of the water. A top of the line PC also costs like $1000+. It's just really stupid to go "WELL MY PC CAN DO IT BETTER" because no shit it can. People buy consoles for a different reason. Usually for the streamlined approach, unique features, and exclusive games.

 

[mysticwaterfall]

Guild, I would have thought you'd realized by now people are delusional. They want the PS4 to play every PS game ever made for free and have it cost nothing after they trade in. They also want ps4 games to all be priced like phone games and have unlimited free DLC. In short, they believe Sony is a greedy bastard and they are somehow entitled to free stuff.

 

[Rydian]

K that's nice, I'm not saying they aren't different I am however questioning why something so "beastly" isn't capable of playing an older version of that consoles games but a PC can play EVERYTHING except current gen and that's only bc to my knowledge no ones tried to make an emulator. I'm pretty damn sure that a PC esp top of the line blows ANY system out of the water

You do realize that the PS3 is "current-gen", and is the thing that PCs won't play, and also the thing that the PS4 won't play, right?

 

[xerodragon21]

Guild, I would have thought you'd realized by now people are delusional. They want the PS4 to play every PS game ever made for free and have it cost nothing after they trade in. They also want ps4 games to all be priced like phone games and have unlimited free DLC. In short, they believe Sony is a greedy bastard and they are somehow entitled to free stuff.

Nope not expecting free stuff, however am I confused why something so "beastly" can't do what it's predecessors could without extra hardware. I mentioned the pc because if u put the price of a ps3 and ps4 together I could build a pretty damn good one capable of running anything currently, hell my pc I built 3/4 years ago still can. But I digress unless there is a really good game that I just have to have I probably don't see a reason to get a ps4 and since I mostly play RPGs which are pretty much a dying genre I don't have much interest in it. Oh... And back to the vita for a sec... Read some reviews both of the system and its horrendous wannabe mainstream games if u don't wanna beleive Sony dropped the ball.

 

[xerodragon21]

You do realize that the PS3 is "current-gen", and is the thing that PCs won't play, and also the thing that the PS4 won't play, right?

Yep quite aware, I have a ps3 for my ps3 games and a pc for everything else. So as I said unless something fantastic comes out for the ps4 and even in that case I prolly can't justify spending $500(?) to play one game or a couple(the extra hundred is taking into account the possible new price of ps4 games) even the ps3 took quite awhile to get a decent game lineup so I'm not saying it won't happen... But if the vita is anything of an example to how they will release games for this too then I'm not holding my breath. I mean ps3 had a blueray player to justify buying it but what does the ps4 have that you would call new other than its standalone console itself?

 

[mysticwaterfall]

So... If you don't want a ps4 don't buy one. No one is forcing you too.

 

[Sicklyboy]

I'm throwing out so many likes here to people that aren't Peps or xerodragon21.

ITT Peps made a new account and continues to argue that sony is wrong and should magically keep their price the same.

[...]I have a ps3 for my ps3 games and a pc for everything else.[...]

Then where lies the problem? Get a PS4 for the PS4 games and continue your legacy of PS3 for PS3 games and PC for everything else.

 

[Foxi4]

K that's nice, I'm not saying they aren't different I am however questioning why something so "beastly" isn't capable of playing an older version of that consoles games but a PC can play EVERYTHING except current gen and that's only bc to my knowledge no ones tried to make an emulator. I'm pretty damn sure that a PC esp top of the line blows ANY system out of the water

It's a matter of differences between architectures. We cannot emulate the PS3 at full speed at this point, no matter how beastly a PC is, and seeing that the PS4 uses the same x86 architecture, it cannot emulate it either. Hardware-based Backwards Compatibility would be the only option, but for that, they'd have to put the CELL processor in the PS4, ramping up the costs.

The only way to achieve Backwards Compatibility without "adding" anything to the machine is continuing the same processor line like the Gamecube, Wii and WiiU have. In all the other cases, you're just increasing costs.

Similarily, you can't really be upset that an electric train isn't able to "support" steam - we switched from using steam to using electricity because hey - electricity is better on all accounts. The engine was swapped to a completely different one so "compatibility" with steam isn't really an option unless you want to create some odd and expensive contraption.

 

[retKHAAAN]

If I could sell my ps3 for $150-250 then sure it actually would. And to the person above that also quoted me, the ONLY reason I bought a ps3 was my friend sold it to me super cheap, the biggest annoyance if you will is they removed its BC and turned around and put ps1 and ps2 games on the psn... Yes let me buy a game I already own again just because you failed to make a system BC OR at least have the ability to play roms

Except...they didn't fail to make the PS3 backwards compatible... It was backwards compatible until it was apparent that a) it wasn't a huge selling point, and b) they could remove it and bring the MSRP down making it more available to a broader audience.

Availability > Bells&Whistles

Xbox 360 won my console war this gen because it was cheaper and I don't like burning cash for no reason whatsoever. Consoles have exclusives, but they are pretty evenly matched quality-wise so exclusives will never be a selling point for me. And sure, I pay for Xbox LIVE. But I always get it for less than $3 a month and it is worth it in my opinion. If Sony comes in cheaper this gen, then that's too bad because they lost their opportunity to get my money when they let me create a gamertag and buy a bunch of shit from Xbox LIVE. My Xbox is now the hub of my living room (just as Microsoft intended it to be) and I likely won't even be upgrading to a new console for a few years. I'll never pay more than $300 for a videogame console...

 

[xerodragon21]

This is my biggest point here... Telling me a ps4 can't play its predecessors is like a pc that can play d3 but not runescape or a blueray player that can't play DVD/CDR's just because its older. I really should have just talked about this first but I got caught up in a needless rant sorry. Someone finally did say something about the architecture but I still don't see why something newer can't run something older and its not all a "they are disks so wtf) however the fact it is does bring some questions since its not a matter of the system can't read the disk of older games

 

[Guild McCommunist]

This is my biggest point here... Telling me a ps4 can't play its predecessors is like a pc that can play d3 but not runescape or a blueray player that can't play DVD/CDR's just because its older. I really should have just talked about this first but I got caught up in a needless rant sorry. Someone finally did say something about the architecture but I still don't see why something newer can't run something older and its not all a "they are disks so wtf) however the fact it is does bring some questions since its not a matter of the system can't read the disk of older games

So you clearly just don't understand how hardware works.

Well that explains everything.

 

[mysticwaterfall]

The only question is why you're still arguing about this.

 

[the_randomizer]

This is my biggest point here... Telling me a ps4 can't play its predecessors is like a pc that can play d3 but not runescape or a blueray player that can't play DVD/CDR's just because its older. I really should have just talked about this first but I got caught up in a needless rant sorry. Someone finally did say something about the architecture but I still don't see why something newer can't run something older and its not all a "they are disks so wtf) however the fact it is does bring some questions since its not a matter of the system can't read the disk of older games

You really have no idea on how backwards compatibility works, do you?

PS4 CPU - x86 Architecture, the same architecture PCs use (Intel and AMD), easy to program
PS3 CPU - IBM Cell PPC architecture, a proprietary, hard-to-program language

The two architectures have no way of communicating with each other natively. Developers must find a way to write a program that allows the languages to communicate....this is way in over your head isn't it? Let me know when you take computer science classes.

 

[DSGamer64]

This isn't big enough news to warrant its own USN thread separate of what is already being discussed in the front page PS4 thread. Besides there will be a way to stream ps1, ps2 and ps3 games to the ps4, the exact details about it have yet to be announced though. So moved.

Sounds like a terribly bad idea. Who is going to want to stream those insanely large games that came from Blu Ray discs? Sony fans are better off just keeping their PS3's.

 

[Guild McCommunist]

Sounds like a terribly bad idea. Who is going to want to stream those insanely large games that came from Blu Ray discs? Sony fans are better off just keeping their PS3's.

Because OnLive doesn't already stream large PC games?

EDIT: And technically size shouldn't matter. The games are essentially loaded and processed at a separate location. You just get sent a video feed of what's being processed and you send back inputs from your controller.