Hacking Proof TX used code stolen from #reswitched

[gene0915]

......Here's the thing: free (as in GPL free) source code isn't the buffet you can eat from without giving anything back. You need to share your changes. That is how those licenses work. TX isn't obeying them. Therefore, TX breaks copyright. Not obeying those licenses is therefore not only illegal in pretty much any modern country, it's also highly disrespectful to anyone who wants to work on Free software.

Do you REALLY, REALLY think T-X gives a flying F*CK about violating a GPL license? Do you? I get where you and the other "respectable" Switch hacking groups are coming from. People are pissed that their open source software was MAYBE incorporated into an evil backup loader (first world problems) but ultimately, nobody outside Toilet Flow Overfail/ReSwitched/neckbeard group/ cares. NOBODY!

No one is going to drag a single member of T-X in court and T-X isn't going to release their source code. Crying on GBATemp is accomplishing what exactly? If you want to fight fire with fire, hack their code, remove the DRM and make it available to everyone and move on with your life.

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That makes me think: How big are the chances, TX decided to pay some people something like 100 bucks to promote/defend them online? To TX $100 is less than nothing, especially if this shilling is gonna bring them a few more buyers. To someone who has to pirate, because he can't afford to pay for the games, $100 gotta be a lot.

As you said, they defend it, like their lives depend on it. Of course, it could be post purchase rationalization, but I really can imagine them being literal shills.

I love SX OS! It allows me to play all the backups in the world! Works perfectly! If Atmosphere would have been released before SX OS (and forked to allow backup loading), there would be no reason to purchase anything from T-X and I would be just as happy.

End result, T-X has released a dongle (that makes loading payloads ultra easy) and a CFW that allows backup loading. They are reaping the benefits of getting their product to market first. If my Switch gets bricked by their code (I'm too stupid to debug their software on it..... I just wanna play backups), I'm going to be mega freaking pissed at them and will never do business with them again and bad mouth them every chance I get. But, there's only been a SINGLE case of SX OS bricking a console and it was because the guy was trying to disassemble it.

I think the next race will be eShop/DLC backups. If Atmosphere (after its' forked) allows the loading of eShop titles/DLC, I might start using it and dump SX OS. If SX OS beats them to the punch, I'll stick with T-X. Not a fan boy, just like using the product that gives me what I want.

 

[Deleted User]

I'd just like to thank everyone in this thread for being very respectful towards each other and setting some amazing standards for the community. Keep it up.

 

[whoIsAndrej]

Dude, think... how can it be real?

Dude, I regularly buy stuff on aliexpress, and write with the sellers. I'm not even exagerating, they write exactly like ping long. The screenshots I've seen, could definitely have been written by someone on their team.

And before you say it: Offcourse their PR/sales person can speak better english. Most chinese can't though. Just like most people in russia can't speak english.

 

[kamesenin888]

Dude, I regularly buy stuff on aliexpress, and write with the sellers. I'm not even exagerating, they write exactly like ping long. The screenshots I've seen, could definitely have been written by someone on their team.

And before you say it: Offcourse their PR/sales person can speak better english. Most chinese can't though. Just like most people in russia can't speak english.

and thats why everyone is making fun of the PR of TX because he only says please dont steal from us, we work very hard, you want to play now, pay now and you see the emails of TX in a perfect english

 

[xiaNaix]

Dude, I regularly buy stuff on aliexpress, and write with the sellers. I'm not even exagerating, they write exactly like ping long. The screenshots I've seen, could definitely have been written by someone on their team.

And before you say it: Offcourse their PR/sales person can speak better english. Most chinese can't though. Just like most people in russia can't speak english.

Team Xecuter does have members from various parts of the world but "Ping Long" is not one of them. It's nothing more than a blatant and unfunny troll attempt.

 

[ByteBite]

I'd just like to thank everyone in this thread for being very respectful towards each other and setting some amazing standards for the community. Keep it up.

On the plus side, this gives people a great opportunity to pad out their ignore lists.

 

[softwareengineer]

TX did one unique thing, which are a few kernel patches to bypass signature checks. That at the moment poses the hold up for putting it into Atmosphere.

I have seen nary a line of Atmospheres source code, I haven't digged into it. I'm just someone who gives a fuck about software licenses being followed and showing a mocum of respect to fellow, often even more competent than me, developers. None of that I see expressed in your post, you read exactly like the average TX defender trying to slap me down with the mighty TX doing all the hard work and we should thank them and so on and on.

Here's the thing: free (as in GPL free) source code isn't the buffet you can eat from without giving anything back. You need to share your changes. That is how those licenses work. TX isn't obeying them. Therefore, TX breaks copyright. Not obeying those licenses is therefore not only illegal in pretty much any modern country, it's also highly disrespectful to anyone who wants to work on Free software.

Yes Ev1l0rd, that's exactly why I go with GPL copyleft instead of a basic do anything you want license. It's a matter of respect and integrity! If you use some free software / open source code that you didn't write, but like and decided to use, then returning your modifications and changes back is like saying thank you for your hard work and letting us use your code and as our thank you the improvements we've made are given back! It only makes sense... Ignoring that is like a big middle finger fuck you, 'yea we used your code but we don't appreciate it at all and we'll take anyone else's code too without any regard to why free software is so awesome because we're breaking that and don't give a shit about free software or the community that makes it happen'. It's benefiting from something but acting like your so above us, despite having to use our code... lol

From the moment that I saw that SX was using the album method to load their backup loader, similarly to our public method of using the album to load our homebrew loader, I speculated at that point that they just used our publicly available code and slightly changed it to load backups instead of homebrew. I however gave them the benefit of the doubt that they were merely just using the same method but their own code.

Seeing the homebrew loader code and strings and even the easter egg just confirms that they didn't even bother to just use the method but their own code to do it, they just took it and used it like it was their own.

Despite not wanting to use their product, I could of still respected them as a group in the scene doing their own thing, but now knowing this I can't seeing as they don't even respect the free software and open source community and all the ways they benefit from it. If they can't respect free software, free as in freedom something you would expect them to stand for, then they don't deserve any respect. Furthermore they should just stop using all free software, don't run linux or use any free software tools, just use win10 and send microsoft all their personal data! lol

So I say fuck em!

No man!!! the devs will cry like the dude that writes a lot said up there, its like our devs are babies and this makes them cry, TX MUST GIVE THE SOURCE CODE OR ELSE!!! or else well nothing will happen, because they are a piracy group and dont care about the gpl, but THEY MUST DO IT!!! Its so fun reading about the people that we must morally do bla bla bla, and now we have 2 devs trying to crack a piracy tool for "research" I really hope that the "research" improves atmosphere in some way, because we will have probably a magic backup loader that looks like tx but its open source lol thanks hekxys and neawehrt(cry baby) for working that we have piracy free for all, we will never forget our piracy enabler devs

Listen asshole, no ones saying they have to give the source... The license itself on the code they used is what requires it, if you knew anything about free software this would be common sense to you. You're saying nothing will happen, sure legally likely no pursuit will happen, but something already has happened. Their scene cred has been ruined, and no free software respecting person will want to work with them.

Anyway there's no need (except under the GPL) for them to release the source code anyway, as if they did, it would just be a slightly modified homebrew loader! lol Get it right, they're just using our publicly available code, there's nothing they could contribute to the free software community, as they've made clear they only exist because we do!

So is your attitude anyway to thank or be appreciative for what was made possible for you?

If TX at least gave some credits to homebrew launcher and atmosphere but no instead they are very shady in everything.
Just look at the "trailers" of TX which are very amateur (I can't forget those nails!), the brick code and about stealing code without even say a thanks to atmosphere people, how can you guys be so blind and defend them?
I could never trust my console to such a "Team"!
Sure they made the very first backup launcher and they have the right to sell it but what about the rest?

Yes exactly! If they wanted to be genuine and respected and maintain their scene cred that's what any respectable group would've done. It's okay to admit that you don't know everything and that you used free software to help you achieve what you were building, but to act like they did it all themselves and shit on the free software community, when we would find out anyway. Lol did they really think they're DRM was uncrackable? They had to know that it would be exposed that we would find out they used public code without credit and without respecting the copyleft license, I guess they just hoped it wouldn't be so soon.

Really it's not much to ask, it's not a restrictive copyright that says you pretty much can't do anything... It's a copyleft! It flips that whole concept on its head and says you're free to do what you want as long as you pass on that freedom for your derivative software!

So they don't like copyright, they don't like copyleft, they're burning all their bridges, they have no friends in any community.

Or nothing will happen

Or what's already happened has happened... Scene cred is worth more than nothing, and they've destroyed that at least in my mind. NeoSlyde, do you use any free software, and do you appreciate what that software does for you? If so how can you be okay with this, how can you attempt to justify it? If you don't care about people respecting free software, then you should stop using all of it that you do (even the software you use without realizing it which is free software), because if it weren't for people having the integrity and genuineness of upholding free software licenses, none of that which you use would even exist.

Man i've been in various scenes since the early 2000s and i really hate people like the sx os team on like a weirdly moral level, charging for stuff you pirated always eats at me, like if they made all the code themselves then whatever your code charge if you want (code now charge now) it's the same reason i fucking hate people that charge for pdfs of college textbooks, like you stole this shit now just hit ctrl c and ctrl v and post that shit on mediafire like a real pirate, trying to turn a profit on a file you stole to begin with is the very worst form of capitalism imo

Yes totally agree especially the last sentence. And I do find it hilarious those that are defending TX as if their software has a right not to be cracked, but everything else is fair game... Hey what don't they get? If you're a person that despises DRM in all it's forms, then you want DRM removed from anything you use, there is no excluding one particular thing from that... What the magical software that bypasses DRM, it's DRM must remain in place and have to be tolerated? LOL No... If you're truly against DRM then you should be all for removing it anywhere it exists! Seriously TX users, wouldn't you want a DRM free version of the software even if you pay / paid for it? With the online drm activation removed? What about the people with no internet? Care to think of them? With the brick code removed? With it analyzed to ensure it's safe?

DRM is no good plain and simple, and it deserves to be removed from any software that puts it in place!

Do you REALLY, REALLY think T-X gives a flying F*CK about violating a GPL license? Do you? I get where you and the other "respectable" Switch hacking groups are coming from. People are pissed that their open source software was MAYBE incorporated into an evil backup loader (first world problems) but ultimately, nobody outside Toilet Flow Overfail/ReSwitched/neckbeard group/ cares. NOBODY!

No one is going to drag a single member of T-X in court and T-X isn't going to release their source code. Crying on GBATemp is accomplishing what exactly? If you want to fight fire with fire, hack their code, remove the DRM and make it available to everyone and move on with your life.

Well maybe they should... Do they care about their reputation? Do you think disregarding free software licenses is a good look? You seem to think this won't hurt them, but we'll remember, we won't forget. And it's not about free software being incorporated into a backup loader (has nothing to do with it), it's about free software being incorporated without giving credit and without respecting the terms of the license agreement for using that software... Doesn't matter anyway now, since we know where the credit is truly due! lol.

As for removing their DRM it's already being done, but who would want to use even the DRM free version of it knowing it's just a copycat of what we already have the source code for!

I think a bigger impact would be for us to modify the code that we've got thanks to the hard work of the community, similarly to the modifications they did to the same code, to release a publicly available and free software backup loader! I think that would be an even bigger fuck you right back at them! There's more from where that came from!

So we just need to modify the homebrew loader into a backup loader like they've done, incorporating the hactool code to decrypt xcis and then load into memory the decrypted code and start a thread at the entry point!

 

[Samus20XX]

Or nothing will happen

of course one of the biggest tx shills would say this lmao

 

[kamesenin888]

Yes Ev1l0rd, that's exactly why I go with GPL copyleft instead of a basic do anything you want license. It's a matter of respect and integrity! If you use some free software / open source code that you didn't write, but like and decided to use, then returning your modifications and changes back is like saying thank you for your hard work and letting us use your code and as our thank you the improvements we've made are given back! It only makes sense... Ignoring that is like a big middle finger fuck you, 'yea we used your code but we don't appreciate it at all and we'll take anyone else's code too without any regard to why free software is so awesome because we're breaking that and don't give a shit about free software or the community that makes it happen'. It's benefiting from something but acting like your so above us, despite having to use our code... lol

From the moment that I saw that SX was using the album method to load their backup loader, similarly to our public method of using the album to load our homebrew loader, I speculated at that point that they just used our publicly available code and slightly changed it to load backups instead of homebrew. I however gave them the benefit of the doubt that they were merely just using the same method but their own code.

Seeing the homebrew loader code and strings and even the easter egg just confirms that they didn't even bother to just use the method but their own code to do it, they just took it and used it like it was their own.

Despite not wanting to use their product, I could of still respected them as a group in the scene doing their own thing, but now knowing this I can't seeing as they don't even respect the free software and open source community and all the ways they benefit from it. If they can't respect free software, free as in freedom something you would expect them to stand for, then they don't deserve any respect. Furthermore they should just stop using all free software, don't run linux or use any free software tools, just use win10 and send microsoft all their personal data! lol

So I say fuck em!



Listen asshole, no ones saying they have to give the source... The license itself on the code they used is what requires it, if you knew anything about free software this would be common sense to you. You're saying nothing will happen, sure legally likely no pursuit will happen, but something already has happened. Their scene cred has been ruined, and no free software respecting person will want to work with them.

Anyway there's no need (except under the GPL) for them to release the source code anyway, as if they did, it would just be a slightly modified homebrew loader! lol Get it right, they're just using our publicly available code, there's nothing they could contribute to the free software community, as they've made clear they only exist because we do!

So is your attitude anyway to thank or be appreciative for what was made possible for you?



Yes exactly! If they wanted to be genuine and respected and maintain their scene cred that's what any respectable group would've done. It's okay to admit that you don't know everything and that you used free software to help you achieve what you were building, but to act like they did it all themselves and shit on the free software community, when we would find out anyway. Lol did they really think they're DRM was uncrackable? They had to know that it would be exposed that we would find out they used public code without credit and without respecting the copyleft license, I guess they just hoped it wouldn't be so soon.

Really it's not much to ask, it's not a restrictive copyright that says you pretty much can't do anything... It's a copyleft! It flips that whole concept on its head and says you're free to do what you want as long as you pass on that freedom for your derivative software!

So they don't like copyright, they don't like copyleft, they're burning all their bridges, they have no friends in any community.



Or what's already happened has happened... Scene cred is worth more than nothing, and they've destroyed that at least in my mind. NeoSlyde, do you use any free software, and do you appreciate what that software does for you? If so how can you be okay with this, how can you attempt to justify it? If you don't care about people respecting free software, then you should stop using all of it that you do (even the software you use without realizing it which is free software), because if it weren't for people having the integrity and genuineness of upholding free software licenses, none of that which you use would even exist.



Yes totally agree especially the last sentence. And I do find it hilarious those that are defending TX as if their software has a right not to be cracked, but everything else is fair game... Hey what don't they get? If you're a person that despises DRM in all it's forms, then you want DRM removed from anything you use, there is no excluding one particular thing from that... What the magical software that bypasses DRM, it's DRM must remain in place and have to be tolerated? LOL No... If you're truly against DRM then you should be all for removing it anywhere it exists! Seriously TX users, wouldn't you want a DRM free version of the software even if you pay / paid for it? With the online drm activation removed? What about the people with no internet? Care to think of them? With the brick code removed? With it analyzed to ensure it's safe?

DRM is no good plain and simple, and it deserves to be removed from any software that puts it in place!



Well maybe they should... Do they care about their reputation? Do you think disregarding free software licenses is a good look? You seem to think this won't hurt them, but we'll remember, we won't forget. And it's not about free software being incorporated into a backup loader (has nothing to do with it), it's about free software being incorporated without giving credit and without respecting the terms of the license agreement for using that software... Doesn't matter anyway now, since we know where the credit is truly due! lol.

As for removing their DRM it's already being done, but who would want to use even the DRM free version of it knowing it's just a copycat of what we already have the source code for!

I think a bigger impact would be for us to modify the code that we've got thanks to the hard work of the community, similarly to the modifications they did to the same code, to release a publicly available and free software backup loader! I think that would be an even bigger fuck you right back at them! There's more from where that came from!

So we just need to modify the homebrew loader into a backup loader like they've done, incorporating the hactool code to decrypt xcis and then load into memory the decrypted code and start a thread at the entry point!

Yes their reputation as a piracy creating tools group, they are going down!!!! you are so much full of "truth" and "hope" to everyone that care about you want to say jajajjaa, you are so funny, the homebrew community is against TX even before it was known about the code, the ones that love them, pirates, they care about gpl? no sorry, I only want backups, the open source devs are too scared to create a backup loader so they crack the one TX and steal it, thats the way, hekxys and cry baby will be able to release to the public thats what we need, who cares about emulators and shit like that, we need piracy, piracy is what moves the money and sales of TX OS, atmosphere is as it is, is mostly cute, TX OS doing far less that what atmosphere will do is far atractive because of piracy.

 

[hipmp5]

So we just need to modify the homebrew loader into a backup loader like they've done, incorporating the hactool code to decrypt xcis and then load into memory the decrypted code and start a thread at the entry point!

I wish i had time to learn to code on switch hardware(already have some experience with C,C#,C++ and Python) and it sounds easy on the paper but don't forget about redirect every gamecard read to SD instead, that part sounds very difficult if you ask me.
By the way true pirates should be against TX because we are paying for something that should be free (by any means!).
"Do What You Want, Cause A Pirate Is Free... You Are A Pirate"

 

[gene0915]

Well maybe they should... Do they care about their reputation? Do you think disregarding free software licenses is a good look? You seem to think this won't hurt them, but we'll remember, we won't forget. And it's not about free software being incorporated into a backup loader (has nothing to do with it), it's about free software being incorporated without giving credit and without respecting the terms of the license agreement for using that software... Doesn't matter anyway now, since we know where the credit is truly due! lol.

Their reputation is releasing a backup loader that is ultra easy to use, for immediate release and works. This won't hurt them. Even if it does, they have plenty of money to stuff in their wounds. Everyone remembers the Gateway brick code but people continue to flock to the SX OS because of my opening sentence above. Nobody cares about muh morals except you "piracy is evil" folks. The rest of us DO NOT CARE about your ethics. We simply want a working backup loader. Trying to get everyone to see the world through your eyes is a waste of time. There's no convincing people one way or the other. (This applies to piracy, abortion, gun control, etc., etc., etc. Folks develop a moral compass as they mature and certain, core beliefs are set in stone and nothing will persuade them from deviating from that path.) My moral compass broke long ago so yeah.

Besides, it doesn't matter what I think and I'm sure T-X doesn't give two sh*ts what you think about their business model. If you don't believe me, go post on their forums and cry and moan about what they're doing and how you think it is wrong.

As for removing their DRM it's already being done, but who would want to use even the DRM free version of it knowing it's just a copycat of what we already have the source code for!

..... and yet nobody on your side of the fence has bothered to release a backup loader............which is all anyone wants. But I know, I know..........you're anti-piracy and this is about making T-X abide by the GPL license.

I think a bigger impact would be for us to modify the code that we've got thanks to the hard work of the community, similarly to the modifications they did to the same code, to release a publicly available and free software backup loader! I think that would be an even bigger fuck you right back at them! There's more from where that came from!

I totally agree. You want to stick it to them, release a backup loader that is just as compatible and works just as good. If you have two competing products and they accomplish the same thing and one costs money and the other is free, people will naturally pick the free option.

So we just need to modify the homebrew loader into a backup loader like they've done, incorporating the hactool code to decrypt xcis and then load into memory the decrypted code and start a thread at the entry point!

Again, sounds easy yet nobody has done it yet. Weird eh?

 

[kamesenin888]

I wish i had time to learn to code on switch hardware(already have some experience with C,C#,C++ and Python) and it sounds easy on the paper but don't forget about redirect every gamecard read to SD instead, that part sounds very difficult if you ask me.
By the way true pirates should be against TX because we are paying for something that should be free (by any means!).
"Do What You Want, Cause A Pirate Is Free... You Are A Pirate"

Well between pirates there is trading, its like buying a sword, you wont kill the blacksmith that provides the blade, there is a free one that is made of manure, and you get offered one of stolen steel for a price but is very good and sharp, so you have to spend something to get something or be cheap and get shit, 2/3 of a game to get easy all the games you want, is a good investment, also I invested in the dongle so its better that way I got my good sword for piracy all the way

 

[ExploitJunkie]

Whats this??? No honor among thieves??? Lets start a 27+ page thread and attack each other over justifying morals lol ..seriously that's funny. Well done OP I had a good laugh.

 

[Soluble]

Whats this??? No honor among thieves??? Lets start a 27+ page thread and attack each other over justifying morals lol ..seriously that's funny. Well done OP I had a good laugh.

A bit repetitive eh. Only difference is some posts are like small books, but they're still saying the same thing

 

[kamesenin888]

they say, dont copy that floppy!!!!!!!!!!



or die!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[gene0915]

Yes their reputation as a piracy creating tools group, they are going down!!!! you are so much full of "truth" and "hope" to everyone that care about you want to say jajajjaa, you are so funny, the homebrew community is against TX even before it was known about the code, the ones that love them, pirates, they care about gpl? no sorry, I only want backups, the open source devs are too scared to create a backup loader so they crack the one TX and steal it, thats the way, hekxys and cry baby will be able to release to the public thats what we need, who cares about emulators and shit like that, we need piracy, piracy is what moves the money and sales of TX OS, atmosphere is as it is, is mostly cute, TX OS doing far less that what atmosphere will do is far atractive because of piracy.

Right on the money! Sure, there's probably a handful of people that truly want a mobile emulator platform (guess they never bought a Vita or 3DS!?!) but all this talk about emulators (and the ILLEGAL ROMS that go with them) is laughable. People want a Wii/Wii U type backup loader that is easy to use and works. And they want it now.

I get sooooooooooooooo sick and tired of these e-peen douches teasing backup loaders but taking some moral high ground against piracy and not releasing anything. I'd bet $1,000 ALL of those hypocrites have downloaded an illegal MP3 or watched a pirated movie in their life without batting an eye. But they think that releasing a stripped down app that only allows homebrew, and no piracy, will have Nintendo at their doorstep with a job offer. Hilarious!

There is more than one forum post of people getting banned from only running homebrew apps and not just the evil SX OS. To Nintendo, ANY AND ALL MODIFICATIONS ARE BAN WORTHY! From using SX OS to play illegal backups online to using a homebrew Atari 2600 emulator to play ROMS. They'll ban you just the same for either or both.

 

[ExploitJunkie]

A bit repetitive eh. Only difference is some posts are like small books, but they're still saying the same thing

No the difference is these are my own words and my own expressed opinions regardless of what any one else gotta say about it , real talk.

 

[Deleted-401606]

https://twitter.com/hexkyz/status/1012149398929735681

Mike Heskin‏ @hexkyz


Sneak peak of TX's enterprise-ready filesystem layer totally developed from scratch! But why does it look so familiar? "embeddedfs:/titles/%016lx/exefs/main.npdm"

Chinese copying other people's work? Never in a million years,they have way too much integrity to ever do such a thing.

 

[ExploitJunkie]

Sneak peak of TX's enterprise-ready filesystem layer totally developed from scratch! But why does it look so familiar? "embeddedfs:/titles/%016lx/exefs/main.npdm"

Embedding a bricking code by locking the eMMC if the software is tampered with is just genius though. If they did "steal" it they sure did improve it beyond just locking the eMMC. Something can be learned from all of this moving forward. Although just my 2 cents, either in agreement or not I could give 2 shits.

 

[Deleted member 420418]

that’s very bad, hopefully they don’t do it again.