Hacking Proof that burning at 2x is teh fail

[MarcoZ]

It's the exact same thing as burning an Audio CD. I burned one at 16x. Do you think my CD deck will need to be able to read them at 16x? No. Again, people need to get it though them that the slower speeds = better quality is just a myth.

That's from where my theory comes. I had some (old, but not all of 'em) CD Decks and burning it @ 52x with a 52x CD did not work. Only 4x and slower worked. Might be a myth but it worked fine back then. I don't know if this changes with DVDs.
EDIT: Did not work = CDs with jumpy tracks, or unreadable tracks etc

 

[yuyuyup]

burned all my wii games 16x, only hiccup I've come across is DQ: Swords froze w/ error during opening FMV, ejected/reinserted disc, worked fine. Also perhaps it can be attributed to minor and brief choppiness in a few SSBB fmvs for me.

 

[Kamiyama]

It's the exact same thing as burning an Audio CD. I burned one at 16x. Do you think my CD deck will need to be able to read them at 16x? No. Again, people need to get it though them that the slower speeds = better quality is just a myth.

That's from where my theory comes. I had some (old, but not all of 'em) CD Decks and burning it @ 52x with a 52x CD did not work. Only 4x and slower worked. Might be a myth but it worked fine back then.

Call the Mythbusters!!

 

[jalaneme]

in this day and age you no longer need to burn at 2.4x speed anymore, why do it?

 

[Richy Freeway]

I've never burnt a Wii single layer game at less than 18x. The couple of copies of SSBB I've burnt have been done at whatever the top rated speed of the discs was. 8x I think.

 

[Dirtie]

As it has been mentioned, it all depends on your media/burner/pc combo.

For example, burning faster is likely to give you a lot more problems if the drive and/or software buffer cannot keep up with the burn speed. Or if your drive controller is in PIO mode in which case the drive will burn at an inconsistent speed (and likely a whole lot slower than you want it to).

Apart from factors like these, generally you just find a sweet spot that works for you. It's recommended to start at the rated speed of the media and work your way (usually down) from there.

When I was making backups for my modded Gamecube, my burner (BenQ DW1640) seemed to write best at 8x for most of the media I used. 4x burns ended up slightly worse, giving DREs every now and then (12x burns were a bit inconsistent but generally better than my 4x burns), and at 2.4x I usually ended up with a disc that couldn't be recognized at all.
The Wii is a lot more forgiving thankfully, and burning at 8x still gives me the best results - ie. the laser doesn't stress out like it occasionally does with 2.4x burns on the same media.
I've confirmed these results by doing quality scans as well, so it's not just my imagination.

Another couple of tips:
-Turn off variable power control (called different things on different drives, on BenQ is WOPC) if possible. This can make the drive slow down and speed up mid-burn, which results in dips in the burning speed curve - discs with a nice speed curve tend to like the Wii a lot more (this isn't the only factor of course but it certainly helps).
-A lot of modern drives 'learn' the media by developing an optimum write strategy the first time you burn a disc with a particular media identification code. So if your first disc with a particular media wasn't so great, try one or two more to see if they are better.

 

[Astudz]

Apperantly:

1 - The gyroscopic phenomenon of disk rotation at high speed make the CD movement more stable (same as a spinning top, the faster itgoes, the more stable it is).

2 - The power of the laser is stronger when you burn at fast speed, so the hole burned on the CD are cleaner.

3 - Burning at fast speed can avoid some mistakes or unprecisions of the laser. It's just as you'd better record at fast speed with a audio track recorder.

 

[baosen]

Most dvd-rs are designed to be burned at their maximum speed.

Mostly I burn them with half of the speed they are made for. (So if it's a 16x DVD, I burn it on 8x)

 

[GH0ST]

Well, so I should buy another DVD Drive

Maybe some Pioneer / Plextor no ?

As long as you can burn at x16 without problem there is no reason to change

My old Nec is just fine for me ... like unbreakable so far ( i drop a lot of drives these last ten years ... ) ... Sadly my only experience with Plextor was an expensive PX-708A who died after 12 months ... perhaps i was just unlucky... I could buy three Nec drives for the same price. Pioneer DVR-112D and Pioneer DVR-115 had excellent reviews but i don't have one. Some LG drives are reported working fine for Wii but some others are really bad ... Some Samsung are great too but my next choice would be a low cost Nec again i guess ... i'm not a burning whore anymore

Some quotes ( site is down righ now ) from Sorak05 ( mod @ cyclopsDS forums ... I trust this guy )

QUOTEAS FOR BURNERS THEMSELVES...... It's hard to say what the best is.... the general consensus is that the PIONEER and PLEXTOR, and select LG DRIVES are the best for burning..... but any burner should work... as long as the MEDIA IS VERY GOOD...

 

[jalaneme]

Mostly I burn them with half of the speed they are made for. (So if it's a 16x DVD, I burn it on 8x)

that what i do too.

 

[Shuny]

Well, so I should buy another DVD Drive

Maybe some Pioneer / Plextor no ?

As long as you can burn at x16 without problem there is no reason to change

Maybe I can burn at 16x but I don't want my Wii lens to die

Also I would like to use SSBB DL version and I'll need a recent burner to make a proper copy

 

[GH0ST]

I guess you don't need advices

... but you can check CycloWiz General Discussion eventually ... actually down but you can grab the Sticky: How to burn Super Smash Bros Brawl DVD9 Backup, and probably other DVD9 Backups too by SoraK05 from cache or http://nintendo-scene.com/918

Again excellent media is recommended and slow speed helps also ...

 

[Dirtie]

slow speed helps also ...

Only in certain instances

That's what this topic is all about.

 

[SpikeyBryan]

yeah, I agree, 2x is mad weak

 

[rldowling03]

I always burn all my Wii Backups at 2x Speed and run Verify after it.

 

[djtaz]

This has been discussed on quite a lot of threads - most drives will burn at max speed with no issues - testing on a PC is pointless as the wii DVD reader isnt as good as a PC drive.
Its a matter of trial and error with most - ive modded quite a few wii's and games that work on one wont on another and its purely due to the dvd drive in them as its the same game i use to test everything.

speeds vary from person to person based on their wii , their burner and their discs.

none is better than the other , its just a matter of finding what works for you.

 

[thawkins1]

I have never got a backup to load that was burned at 2x. So it is fail to me, but different wii dvd drives and burners it's different.

 

[Logan]

I personally think that drives have come on a long way now and the requirement to burn at lower speeds is not there any more. They are much better at doing what they do. I've proved to myself that with my setup, whether I burn at 2.4x or 16x, it makes no difference.

 

[Bladexdsl]

i always burn at 8x with verbatim discs never 1 problem

 

[kimikal27]

just as DJtaz said, if it works for you stick to it