digitydogs said:This was probably already mentioned but it seems that and starfall patched that were enabled when preloader is installed remain in effect after preloader, i'm wondering if this may be part of the reason we are having issues getting the region free disc channel loading. Even though they apply patches differently i wonder what would happen if we ran menupatcher and then installed preloader while menuloaders patches where applied, i doubt it would carry over but you never know. Re-installing the system menu without starfall, to ensure there arn't any prior patches, then testing the menu load theory, i'll either end up with a clean menu under preloader or a menu patched version. ill report back when done
I've already tried this. The patches for menu loader do not stay in place becasue they are tempory patches unlike starfall's. I've been doing comrehensive testing all morning and found no combination that will work with preloader. Preloader just plain breaks all the menu patcher/menu loader/rebooter uils. Starfall however doesn't. And aren't they both written by Credier? Obvioiusly it's because the menu patcher/menu loader/rebooter are applied after system menu is loaded. Here is the discrepency that you can focus on......
Menu Loader is capable of loading into the Wii before System Menu and correctly working. The sequence is such...
1. Starfall boot to recovery mode
2. Twilight Princess Original Loads & Execute TP Hack
3. Menu Loader loads from SD root
4. Manually Set Menu Loader Region and other Options.
5. Select Launch from Menu Loader
6. System Menu Loads
At this point Wii displays both PAL & NTSC 1:1 backups from Disc Channel and can run them from there
At no time until the last step of this process was System Menu loaded. If you try to do this procedure replacing Menu Loader with either a Rebooter or Menu Patcher it does not work. (at least it didn't for me).
So it seems to me the key is in the Menu Loaders method of Region Patching to obtain Out Of Region compatability. Since the combination of CIOSCORP and Starfall alone give full support for In Region Backups.
This is the only combination of applicatoins that I have found that can boot up to System Menu supporting Both PAL and NTSC regions, without having to load a patcher manually after system menu is loaded. Unfortunately it requires a Starfall Recovery Mode boot (easy enough) and TP Hack to execute. It does however show that patches can be loaded ahead of system menu and result in all region support.
Funny things about all this mess is..... We can already play all our In-Region backups just like originals and can region patch anything new that we burn to make them work like originals, so all this right now is just to make a few out of region games we want to play show up natively in Disc Channel. And to tell you the truth, I haven't played an out of Region game in months.
For this simple reason I'm pretty sure everybody is just doing this right now for the challenge and learning.
EDIT: Oops... posted this in wrong thread sorta. Thought i was in the System Menu thread. But since both threads have a smililar goal it sorta Applies.











