potential Switch2 software exploit confirmed?

[twatsandwich]

If anyone really does succeed in a full exploit chain, I just hope they make piracy as difficult to achieve as possible. This community could really do with a cleanout

 

[Dat0_]

10% is an insane estimate. I'd be surprised if it were 1%. I feel like people actively in this space very often overestimate just how popular it is. We are very much the minority lol

So true

 

[XRed_CubeX]

If anyone really does succeed in a full exploit chain, I just hope they make piracy as difficult to achieve as possible. This community could really do with a cleanout

I am ready to refine my soldering skills, I wait patiently in the meantime that my skills improve

 

[TomSwitch]

Wait for the serial number database like Switch 1.

 

[[Truth]]

10% is an insane estimate. I'd be surprised if it were 1%. I feel like people actively in this space very often overestimate just how popular it is. We are very much the minority lol

It must be bad enough to make them react to it.
No reason to spend money for fighting piracy if there is no financial gain for them.
Nintendo is a publicly traded business after all.

I guess the big piracy numbers for Switch come from people using emulators, not hacked consoles.

 

[Sayora]

they have been saying wont be software exploit now saying low firmware might be good what does that mean

It doesn't really mean anything. Just that there may be undiscovered exploits on lower firmware that have been patched on the latest firmware. That's true for basically every modern console.

 

[FernandoRocker]

 

[SciresM]

This thread is stupid. I mostly do not expect an exploit chain.

I made that comment because some research testing has suggested that 20.0.0 may have even more mitigations implemented that 19.0.0 might not (specifically, it may have stronger CFI in sysmodules, which would render huge classes of bugs unexploitable).

This hasn't even been fully confirmed via research testing, it's speculative, and 19.0.0 might have the strong CFI 20.0.0 seems to have too, we just don't know yet.

20.0.0 might not even have it, it's just inferences being drawn from various crashes.

Please don't open threads about off-the-cuff comments I make, it's only going to lead to misinformation being spread.

 

[XRed_CubeX]

This thread is stupid. I mostly do not expect an exploit chain.

I made that comment because some research testing has suggested that 20.0.0 may have even more mitigations implemented that 19.0.0 might not (specifically, it may have stronger CFI in sysmodules, which would render huge classes of bugs unexploitable).

This hasn't even been fully confirmed via research testing, it's speculative, and 19.0.0 might have the strong CFI 20.0.0 seems to have too, we just don't know yet.

20.0.0 might not even have it, it's just inferences being drawn from various crashes.

Please don't open threads about off-the-cuff comments I make, it's only going to lead to misinformation being spread.

But look, I am of the opinion that around here they should not foment hype or repost your or other dev's posts, if there is something really useful, I guess you will tell us more explicitly

 

[rabeezdahedgehog]

This thread is stupid. I mostly do not expect an exploit chain.

What do you expect when you say stuff like "mostly" and youre not 100% sure firmware doesnt matter youre creating speculation by even saying that cmon

 

[emmauss]

What do you expect when you say stuff like "mostly" and youre not 100% sure firmware doesnt matter youre creating speculation by even saying that cmon

He knows his stuff better than you. And as a software dev, we do not say "never" when there's a possibility of something happening, even if that possibility is extremely unlikely. He also doesn't want people to use his words as base for any rumour or speculation, because he then has to correct people as they contact him without warning

 

[Jayro]

I hope they will release those at least after the end first year of the SW2 or way later next year, because so far, no much game to play.
Nice to see that the scene never stop to move on, despite all the "unhackable noise" that we have encountered here.
Stay low folks.

Switch piracy is running rampant, but that hasn't stopped the Switch getting amazing games.

 

[poisoned_soap]

What do you expect when you say stuff like "mostly" and youre not 100% sure firmware doesnt matter

Any amount of critical thought?

Firmware could matter when each succeeding update can patch out a potential entry point that the previous update had.

Instead of thinking that, you took the screenshot without context, titled this post "potential Switch2 software exploit confirmed?," and brought this stupid conversation up again.

 

[Hippocampus_Hamster]

Switch piracy is running rampant, but that hasn't stopped the Switch getting amazing games.

The Switch line has had many similarities to the PSP/Vita in this manner.

The first one was hacked early in its run and never shook off that stigma. So for the next version/iteration, they seriously over-engineered the security to make it nigh-unhackable at the start (although savvy modders eventually found a way around the Vita's security). We'll have to wait and see if this strategy holds water or if, like the PS Vita, either Nintendo or a third-party developer flounders and leaves an opening for modders to get a foothold on the console.

Also, I wouldn't call it "running rampant", more "easier than usual". Remember: companies like Nintendo love to overemphasize how much of a hit they actually take from copyright infringement (let's call it what it is) because it makes the problem seem way more troublesome than it actually is, and generates fake sympathy in the public at large for a company that jacked up the price of their new console to just under that of five-year-old competitors and has created the next step in completely digitizing console games and removing physical media from the equation entirely (ie - Game Key Cards). At this point Nintendo are honestly more interested in separating everyone from their money than making legitimately good games. And yet they are still somehow slightly less-horrible than their competitors has been as of late...

 

[kuro0628neko]

I wonder if there will be an exploit in the far future with the Japanese language S2 over the international version. The firmware can't be all too different, but it's a thought.

 

[TomSwitch]

I wonder if there will be an exploit in the far future with the Japanese language S2 over the international version. The firmware can't be all too different, but it's a thought.

Nintendo should enable the Japanese international version of the console for maximum profit. Don't forget the tourist money that will bring to Japan too. Make it Japan exclusive.

 

[SuffahBish]

It must be bad enough to make them react to it.
No reason to spend money for fighting piracy if there is no financial gain for them.
Nintendo is a publicly traded business after all.

I guess the big piracy numbers for Switch come from people using emulators, not hacked consoles.

They were probably reacting moreso to emulators than actual on device piracy. Getting an unpatched Switch v1 or a modchip installed in a later model actually has a high barrier of entry. Assuming your computer is fast enough to run them downloading all the ROMs, keys, and firmwares is fairly easy.

 

[Maq47]

Someone says the word "possibly".

The Switch 2 community:

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Well, considering that this 'word' came from the creator of Atmosphere himself, I'd say the hype is justified. If SciresM/Michael/Antares won't keep a lid on it, it's practically guaranteed.

 

[FernandoRocker]

Well, considering that this 'word' came from the creator of Atmosphere himself, I'd say the hype is justified. If SciresM/Michael/Antares won't keep a lid on it, it's practically guaranteed.

Did you read his reply?

 

[Maq47]

Did you read his reply?

I just did. I didn't see there was a second page... So, this was simply taken out of context completely. Figures. NOTHING TO SEE HERE FOLKS, CARRY ON!