Hacking Possible first 3DS homebrew or fake?

[AlanJohn]

Can you please put those big images into a spoiler?
On-topic: I don't think that its "homebrew"
More like a hack.
If real: YEAH!!! PARTY TIME!!!
If fake: meh

 

[TankedThomas]

Well that was eventfully disappointing.

Is it possible that if you put in a clean flash cart with updatable firmware (clean as in not having any firmware flashed to the chip, like when you buy them brand new), that the 3DS would register it but record it as a bunch of question marks? Or would it not come up at all? The only flash cart I have is an R4 Ultra (which the 3DS registers but gives that lovely error upon trying to boot it, although it's still recorded in the software library), so I can't checked myself.

 

[sonofskywalker3]

this to me looks like 2-3 photos and 5 minutes of photoshop.

-another world

So you're saying that you can, in 5 minutes, using photoshop, make a convincing fake of the system log screen displaying in 3D? Cause I'd really like to see that. I see no evidence that the system log picture was faked, and the fact that it's displaying in 3D is the biggest evidence for that. The distortion on the Activity Log screen shows that it was most likely displaying in 3D when the picture was taken, and consistent distortion like that is incredibly hard to fake. It would take a master photoshopper ages to change out the actual text, and still keep the lines perfect. Anyone who things otherwise has never used photoshop. If it is a faked picture it is an AMAZING job, and my hat's off to the perpetrator.

That being said, I have no idea how that entry in the system log did get there. It could be a type of flashcard, it could be real homebrew, or it could be caused by some system error like the BSOD or pulling the cart out while loading or something stupid like that, but it was certainly NOT photoshopped.

 

[Jono1250]

this to me looks like 2-3 photos and 5 minutes of photoshop.

-another world

So you're saying that you can, in 5 minutes, using photoshop, make a convincing fake of the system log screen displaying in 3D? Cause I'd really like to see that. I see no evidence that the system log picture was faked, and the fact that it's displaying in 3D is the biggest evidence for that. The distortion on the Activity Log screen shows that it was most likely displaying in 3D when the picture was taken, and consistent distortion like that is incredibly hard to fake. It would take a master photoshopper ages to change out the actual text, and still keep the lines perfect. Anyone who things otherwise has never used photoshop. If it is a faked picture it is an AMAZING job, and my hat's off to the perpetrator.

That being said, I have no idea how that entry in the system log did get there. It could be a type of flashcard, it could be real homebrew, or it could be caused by some system error like the BSOD or pulling the cart out while loading or something stupid like that, but it was certainly NOT photoshopped.

True, but you could argue that the uploader edited a system log screen, made it a 3D image, then put that image onto the 3DS, rather than
taking a picture of the DS then editing that. I personally am not sure if this is real or fake.

 

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[RNorthex]

simple, if the guy doesn't post a video about it, then it's fake
i'm sure that many-many ppl flamed her/him saying that it's fake and she/he can gtho
so just to prove it and protect e-respect, there's no way he wouldn't upload a video about it if it was real

 

[Jono1250]

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whats your point?

 

[Snailface]

this to me looks like 2-3 photos and 5 minutes of photoshop.

-another world

So you're saying that you can, in 5 minutes, using photoshop, make a convincing fake of the system log screen displaying in 3D? Cause I'd really like to see that. I see no evidence that the system log picture was faked, and the fact that it's displaying in 3D is the biggest evidence for that. (1)The distortion on the Activity Log screen shows that it was most likely displaying in 3D when the picture was taken, and consistent distortion like that is incredibly hard to fake. It would take a (2)master photoshopper ages to change out the actual text, and still keep the lines perfect. Anyone who things otherwise has never used photoshop. If it is a faked picture it is an AMAZING job, and my hat's off to the perpetrator.

That being said, I have no idea how that entry in the system log did get there. It could be a type of flashcard, it could be real homebrew, or it could be caused by some system error like the BSOD or pulling the cart out while loading or something stupid like that, but it was certainly NOT photoshopped.

1.The 3ds will try to apply the 3d effect even when you import a homemade 2d jpeg to the photo channel (if you have the 3d on).
2.If I had an actual direct feed capture of the activity log screen even I could easily edit in those mysterious changes that you saw (???'s etc) The question is: where did he find a clean image like that? (my guess: dev kit screen grab or google image search)

 

[GEMISIS]

Just thought I'd put my bit of info on here.

I'd remain highly skeptical on this altogether. I personally do not believe the 3DS homebrew will have anything for the next year or two. Couple of reasons as to why. One: the 3DS is supposed to have an ARM11 Processor ( http://3dbrew.org/wiki/Hardware ). This was rumored, and I believe was uncovered in the tear down process. If that is the case, there is a very high chance that it protects against buffer overflows. This has been the most common exploit in Nintendo's systems since the Wii homebrew scene started (maybe before then as well, but I'm not sure). The Twilight hack, Super Smash Bros. Level hack, even that DSi Sudoku hack, they all used this, so naturally they are probably aware and trying to prevent that (as evident with the sudoku hack being removed and actually patched). Also, if you go to http://www.arm.com/products/processors/cla...arm11/index.php , you can see that the ARM11 processor supports "TrustZone for hardware-enforced security, and tightly coupled memories for real-time applications.", aka, the possibility of preventning a buffer overflow. Now Nintendo might be using a "customized" version of it that doesn't use that. I can't verify that it does use it. But the fact that it's possible, and that it seems to be an ARM11 processor makes it seem more likely. The fact that the save games can still be edited fairly easily, and that an average jpeg image can be loaded also seems odd. And if this is the case, 3DS homebrew is most likely a while away. Everything on the 3DS is run in 3DS mode it seems, which means that this protection would always be in place. The DS games seem to be running through some sort of emulator. If you take a game such as Super Mario 64 DS, shut it so it goes into sleep mode and makes the sleep mode noise. Wait a few seconds before opening it, and it will make another. When you press the home button on the 3DS, notice how it brings up a menu. Wait a few seconds again, and then return to the game. It should make the exact same noise. If that's the case, then I'm not sure how else they could do that other than by doing something software wise to force sleep mode. If that is true, then sure, you could overflow a DS game as well, but not only would you be in DS mode, you would still be forced to find another way around the buffer overflows.

Unfortunately, it doesn't seem like 3DS homebrew is very close. Now granted, all of that could be wrong, so don't take my word on it. But I do think Nintendo may have finally learned. If that's the case, this is going to be a tough battle to get homebrew back on it.

 

[sonofskywalker3]

True, but you could argue that the uploader edited a system log screen, made it a 3D image, then put that image onto the 3DS, rather than
taking a picture of the DS then editing that. I personally am not sure if this is real or fake.

I will agree that making a 2D image into a 3D one is a possibility since I don't know for sure if it can be done or not, or how hard it would be if possible. I think it would be difficult to line things up right with there being all the text on the screen however. I will argue that is not the case for this image because without the ability to take a screenshot of the system log screen there's no way I'll believe someone was able to get a picture that perfect of it, and to make that picture (taken with a camera pointing at the 3ds screen) able to be resized to the perfect resolution without any skewing, once edited and coverted to 3D. Again, this is a task that would be nearly impossible, even for a master photo editor. If screenshots were possible I'd say that your idea would be an excellent theory.

No I still believe that the picture is undoctored and shows exactly what was on the 3DS screen when it was taken, I simply don't know what caused those ??????? to be on his screen when he took the picture. If someone can show me a convincing image of a 3D picture of the activity screen on the top screen, with the gallery showing on the bottom I'll believe it's possible, but for now I don't think anyone could fake that system log screen.

The hello world screen however has been handily faked by several posters on this thread, so I'm still about 50/50 in my belief. Only time will tell.

 

[doyama]

Really the point is, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Unless you can provide such evidence your claim is worthless. A single picture proves nothing especially in this day and age. Until some reputable team like Team Twiizers comes out with some technical breakdown of what is going on, all such claims should be met with extreme prejudice.

 

[chyyran]

I call fake. The security can't be cracked that quickly, Nintendo isn't stupid.

 

[sonofskywalker3]

1.The 3ds will try to apply the 3d effect even when you import a homemade 2d jpeg to the photo channel (if you have the 3d on).
2.If I had an actual direct feed capture of the activity log screen even I could easily edit in those mysterious changes that you saw (???'s etc) The question is: where did he find a clean image like that? (my guess: dev kit screen grab or google image search)

1. I see what you mean about the 3D distortion on a 2D image, thanks for pointing that out.
2. I did stipulate in my 2'nd post that the picture would be much easier to fake if a screenshot were available. Google image search for me was a bust, all showed many titles, but I can't say it's not buried somewhere in the 20,000+ I didn't look at, or using different search terms. I maintain that if the activity log picture is a fake it is well done, and not the work of a few minutes, but you guys have had some good ideas I didn't originally consider.

 

[WiiUBricker]

Nintendo isn't stupid.

Yes, Nintento is so smart, it uses XOR keys in its 3DS cartridges

 

[chyyran]

Nintendo isn't stupid.

Yes, Nintento is so smart, it uses XOR keys in its 3DS cartridges

Lol, that part was pretty stupid, but think about it, there's no way that the 3DS' security could've been circumvented that quickly.

 

[MFDC12]

Nintendo isn't stupid.

Yes, Nintento is so smart, it uses XOR keys in its 3DS cartridges

gamesave security isnt even in the same league as system security, though. im sure nintendo base the whole system security with a xor for the whole system's security... but it does make you think why they did that in the first place with gamesaves.

 

[WiiUBricker]

Nintendo isn't stupid.

Yes, Nintento is so smart, it uses XOR keys in its 3DS cartridges

gamesave security isnt even in the same league as system security, though. im sure nintendo base the whole system security with a xor for the whole system's security... but it does make you think why they did that in the first place with gamesaves.

But it enables the possibility of savegame hacks/exploits.

 

[spinal_cord]

My version of this fake...

 

[SanGor]

why is the stupid thread still open?

LOCK IT!

 

[tvararu]

My version of this fake...

Edit out the ??????s in the original picture into a credible GBAtemp (don't bother with the icon to the left) and it's debunked.