Own dumps will still get banned?

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  1. gutoblauth
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    If I dump my cartridges and install them on the SD/NAND as a digital copy (or inject the physical "id" on the digital), would be possible or even safe to play with Official FW? Is there a way to do it?

    I still have not hacked my Switch, and I see people saying that any hack/homebrew will certainly get you a ban anytime soon, unless you do the NAND backup/restore stuff.
    Also saw something about report/logs that is possible to delete them via homebrew, so Nintendo can't track your activities to ban you. Does this really work?
     
  2. Reecey

    Reecey Mario 64 (favorite game of all time)

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    If you’re using a dump of your own with the certificate it came with then no you won’t get banned you can play it, update it as normal there is no difference as far as Nintendo knowing of course if you sold the physical and someone bought and played it for example and it flagged Nintendo they would just ban the certificate to the game which would make it unplayable unless you went ahead and injected another random certificate in to it. You cannot play the backup on ofw because there is no method to play it but on cfw with sxos you can without any worries.
     
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  3. Gnarmagon

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    you will get most likely banned! because the files are not 100% legit (you can't replicate for example the rsa signature in the header)
     
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  4. Reecey

    Reecey Mario 64 (favorite game of all time)

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    What are you on about do you even know? The header is the certificate and if that is dumped then it’s exactly the same as using the original. All Nintendo are interested in is making sure the title key “certificate” fits the game nothing more obviously is it’s replicated on another system then like I say they would just ban the certificate.
     
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  5. Gnarmagon

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    um yeah....http://switchbrew.org/index.php/NCA_Format#Header
    http://switchbrew.org/index.php/Gamecard_Format
    please look at the header table and google the difference between hashes and rsa signatures ;)

    Edit: yes the dumped XCI is identical but converting it would destroy the header signature
     
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  6. Reecey

    Reecey Mario 64 (favorite game of all time)

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  7. Gnarmagon

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    see the edit...(and what do you do with those xci files ? use them with this SX shit ? (that would be a safe ban) and tbh nintendo doesn't currently verify the rsa signature but I think they'll do it with 6.0
     
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  8. Whole lotta love

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    probably not, but some people have reportedly been banned for using homebrew and their own dumps.

    i've personally been using my own dumps with SX Pro (make sure you keep the header on the rip) and haven't been banned, and i know a few others are in the same boat but you never know what Nintendo will start to look for/start caring about.
     
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  9. Reecey

    Reecey Mario 64 (favorite game of all time)

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    I tend not to believe those that have reported a ban on an owned dump it would be impossible for Nintendo to issue a ban on that certificate if you still own the game outright. They could find themselves in some serious litigation if they carried those actions out without any concrete evidence to back it up with also I’m sure there is more to these reports than what is actually been told. I’ve also been using my owns dumps for months now without any problems.
     
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  10. V-Temp

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    If you install them as digital copies, as opposed to load XCIs, it will absolutely be detectable as you'd be forging NSP tickets and the ticketblob. These would not work in OFW, you'd need to load in a payload and inject patches in order to boot. In order to load them in as XCIs you'd have to use SX OS which on its own has a good probability to get you banned, defeating the whole point of 'playing it safe'.

    If you don't want to get banned, don't hack it.
     
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    "sold the physical and someone bought" I'm gonna be honest and say that this is exactly what I tought to do, but would not be a nice thing to do.
    The current idea would be to be used physical copy certificate for me and a couple of friends to use as if my friend would be lending me his Mario Odyssey for exemple.

    You haven't been banned, but are you playing those dumps online? What are you procedures to feel safe using SX?
    This keeps confusing me. I see people saying that got banned doing "legal" stuff or just running HB, but then shows up people like you that still haven't been banned, makeing me doubt the banned ones did legit thing

    So playing NSP games with XCI certs it's not safe? (Wii U was like this right?). Playing XCI files as they "supposed" to be loaded, like using the SX, makes it safer instead?
     
  12. Draxzelex

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    Here's your answer OP. You will get banned regardless if you own the games or not. Wanna know why? You don't get banned for piracy, you get banned for hacking your console because it is a violation of their Terms of Service. Nintendo couldn't care less where the dumps came from. Should they care is a different matter entirely. But the point is that playing your own dumps of games via a hacked console is as much a risk of getting banned as playing dumps you don't own. For starters, they cannot verify if you own any .XCI games so it makes sense to ban anyone using these should they have the evidence. .NSP is easier but requires more effort on their part as that would have to a manual review process across millions of Nintendo Accounts.

    tl;dr Nintendo bans users for hacking not piracy. Piracy is just easier to detect on a hacked console versus homebrew.
     
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  13. Adran_Marit

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    Simple put: You hacked your switch you have a high chance of getting banned, even if they are your own dumps.

    Edit: :ninja:'d
     
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  14. godreborn

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    yeah, when I got banned on the ps3, they sent me an email that said "unauthorized or pirated material has been detected on this system." I'm pretty sure that they detected multiman on my system since I had no games after an hdd crash.

    I didn't even know it was possible to dump your own games. I thought only BBB could. I did download each game I owned for the day when I do hack a system, probably not the one I own now. I might as well buy one already banned for half the price and without the headache of trying not to get banned. it just takes one slip up for that to happen. maybe that happened to me with the ps3, I don't know, but it's frustrating to say the least. I don't want to lose sleep over this constant worry. :)
     
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  15. V-Temp

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    Not the same product, different headers/keys. NSPs have to be installed to the ticketblob with valid tickets which come from a bought product download, installing them from pirated copies does none of these things and has to be forged and installed (or deleted, but then you have a title installed with no ticket in the ticketblob). A cart dump does not produce a valid ticket because a cart does not have a ticket to install, it has a header of its own.

    But then using SX OS itself isn't safe. So in order to do the "safe thing" you have to use an unsafe method.

    The actual answer is to not do it.
     
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  16. Whole lotta love

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    I just rip my own games and play online just fine. I have that new stealth mode on now, but I have been playing since SX Pro came out with wifi on 24/7 in SX mode. I'm pretty confident I will be banned eventually but I haven't been yet.

    But as Draxz says, simply using homebrew of any kind is a violation of Nintendo ToS.

    Much like with investments, don't put in anything you're unwilling to lose. In other words, if you can't afford to buy another switch/lose the ability to go online, then don't use homebrew.

    I don't think you can put XCI certs into nsp files but I don't know. I've never used an NSP before. But yea, using an XCI with a legitimate cert that isn't being used by others is the safest way to play backups on your Switch. That doesn't mean it's safe though.
     
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  17. DollyWhipDoll

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    NONE of it's 'safer'. Period. The only "safe" way to keep from getting banned is not to hack your Switch.

    Don't listen to any crap anything on here tells you about not getting banned. Don't waste your time asking about any 'procedures' or any other nonsense because you never know who's lying on this board to get a buck out of you.

    When XCIs dropped there were {and are} bans happening left and right, now that the free way is out, 'they' are pushing a campaign to call those safer.

    Bottom line, if you want to spend money, buy dongle for $6-$20 {search the board} and tip your favorite dev on this board a few dollars out of that $30 or so you'd save buying that other dongle.

    Here's a converter https://gbatemp.net/threads/official-4nxci-a-tool-for-converting-xci-to-nsp.515341/

    If you don't want to risk a ban, do NOT hack.


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  18. Adran_Marit

    Adran_Marit Walküre's Hacker

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    You run CFW you have a ban chance, simple as that, doesn't matter if it's legit backups or otherwise
     
  19. DollyWhipDoll

    DollyWhipDoll You're on ignore.

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    Precisely.

    All the bullcrap campaigning about what's 'safer' now that Adubbz, The4N, Rei and the other devs have everything out for free is getting old.

    Really no telling who to trust on this board, especially when certain things are said to have been around for years.
     
  20. Adran_Marit

    Adran_Marit Walküre's Hacker

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    It's been a thing since well, since I can remember doing cfw stuff, there was always a ban risk
     
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