Hardware Official 3DS Technical Discussion

[VMM]

Why are you comparing the jump from the PS2->PS3 to the jump from the PSP->3DS. I wasn't arguing that it was that large.

All I was saying was that the 3DS isn't exactly similar to the PSP and is a significant amount more powerful. It might not be a generational gap but it's still sizeable (and is certainly no Gamecube->Wii).

@xwatchmanx compared these, and that's why I showed screenshots comparing both

Metal Gear Solid 4 wasn't an early PS3 game. It was released 2 years into its lifespan. I'm talking about EARLY current gen games compared to late last gen games.

Precisely. Another great example is early 360 and PS3 games, which didn't show much improvement over original XBox games. The difference was noticeable, but not that large.

A) You're the one who brought it up again. If you don't want to argue about it again, don't bring it up, genius. And in a different thread, too. Really?

B) And that's where the disagreement begins. You're not just saying that co-op isn't meant for versus, or even arguing that the developers didn't design certain co-op elements with certain versus elements in mind (which is not only ridiculous, but completely false, look up reviews of NSMB Wii, and you'll see that most people agree with me), but you're basically saying that anyone who does so is being stupid or retarded. If you have nothing better to do than insult people for playing a game differently from the way you do, then you really need to get a life.

C) And that's the last thing I'll say on this stupid debate that you've pointlessly brought up again IN A DIFFERENT THREAD.

You're the one who brought it up again:

Meh, he's jumping all over the place in a blind and vain effort to avoid admitting he's wrong, as usual. How much you want to bet he posts a reply that says something like, "I don't know why you're so angry about this or taking me seriously. In fact, I'm just laughing about this the whole time," as usual?

A & B) That part of the post wasn't even about you, it was for @Zantiago

C) That was just to show a sentence of @Zantiago, that topic about versus on co-op has nothing to do with this topic.

I am a massive noob but...

I'm a bit surprised that the 3DS can produce much better graphics than PSP, even if it has a lower resolution screen (400x240 VS 480x272)

Biohazard, DOA, Monster Hunter and Theathrhythm look good to amazing.

Yeah, see the magic here is that the 3DS uses an AMAZING lighting engine (one thats even up there with the Vita's) and also has some form of AA, things like that factor how good the games look alot more then res.


@[member='VMM']


Ahem, hello fellow GBAtemp members, this is what I like to call:

Someone whos taking the Internet WAAAAAYYYY too serious.

Why have I come to this conclusion you ask? Well theres the fact that the quoted post (the second one) was from another topic that not only have virtually nothing to do with the current discussion but it itself was an offtopic argument for the topic it was posted in. Pretty bad right? It gets worse, see that ranting hes doing about me "Doing it wrong" is based on a opinion that apparently, im not allowed to play games how I would like to.

That all sound flimsy and stupid to you yet? Well, for some reason THIS suddenly validates every point he made while arguing with Soulx.

Now if you dont mind, ill finish this post by fixing an error I made earlier.

@[member='VMM']

REALLY? Did you seriously start a argument about whether the 3DS is more powerful then the PSP and then compare the gap to the Vita, then post bland unimpressive screens and compare them to full detail close up shots in an arguement with Soulx, then get butthurt over the fact your entire argument didnt even accomplish anything and try to cover the fact by digging up an old argument to make me seem stupid in return. To quote an old friend, "Your grasping at the straws here"

Without a doubt you arent only stupid, but you also take these conversations way too seriously and seem to have a bit of a "god complex" when it comes to whether your right or wrong and matter thats are simply opinions.

Offtopic: XD, Soo many quotes I messed up the post but you get the message right?

Read the other parts of this post and you'll have a 80% of response to your arguments.

You criticize my screenshots but didn't post a single screenshot.
You say I post bland and unimpressive screenshots but all those screenshots are valid screenshots, in-game screenshots.

Try showing some screenshots comparisons before criticizing the ones made by another.

You call me stupid because I disagree with you,
I call you stupid after that showing mistakes you've made,
then I have "God Complex" and "Take the things way too serious",
fuck logic

LOL

Even NSMB2 looks better then Mortal Combat.

No, and it's Mortal Kombat, genius.

 

[Deleted member 194275]

 

[Deleted_171835]

You guys are taking this way too personally. I (and a couple others) have already proved that the 3DS is significantly more powerful than the PSP. End of discussion.

Here's an actual from-PSP screenshot of Tekken 6.

Remember that a lot of teaser or ad images for games are NOT taken right off the system (especially when dealing with portables) and are often touched-up. Notice the lack of anti-aliasing.

You're right but it's worth noting that the 3DS does use anti-aliasing in multiple games (including Street Fighter I think).

 

[Rydian]

Was referring to the Tekken 6 image that was posted above, where you can see anti-aliasing and shadow blending, effects that don't seem to exist in the actual game.

 

[The Milkman]

I am a massive noob but...

I'm a bit surprised that the 3DS can produce much better graphics than PSP, even if it has a lower resolution screen (400x240 VS 480x272)

Biohazard, DOA, Monster Hunter and Theathrhythm look good to amazing.

Yeah, see the magic here is that the 3DS uses an AMAZING lighting engine (one thats even up there with the Vita's) and also has some form of AA, things like that factor how good the games look alot more then res.


@[member='VMM']


Ahem, hello fellow GBAtemp members, this is what I like to call:

Someone whos taking the Internet WAAAAAYYYY too serious.

Why have I come to this conclusion you ask? Well theres the fact that the quoted post (the second one) was from another topic that not only have virtually nothing to do with the current discussion but it itself was an offtopic argument for the topic it was posted in. Pretty bad right? It gets worse, see that ranting hes doing about me "Doing it wrong" is based on a opinion that apparently, im not allowed to play games how I would like to.

That all sound flimsy and stupid to you yet? Well, for some reason THIS suddenly validates every point he made while arguing with Soulx.

Now if you dont mind, ill finish this post by fixing an error I made earlier.

@[member='VMM']

REALLY? Did you seriously start a argument about whether the 3DS is more powerful then the PSP and then compare the gap to the Vita, then post bland unimpressive screens and compare them to full detail close up shots in an arguement with Soulx, then get butthurt over the fact your entire argument didnt even accomplish anything and try to cover the fact by digging up an old argument to make me seem stupid in return. To quote an old friend, "Your grasping at the straws here"

Without a doubt you arent only stupid, but you also take these conversations way too seriously and seem to have a bit of a "god complex" when it comes to whether your right or wrong and matter thats are simply opinions.

Offtopic: XD, Soo many quotes I messed up the post but you get the message right?

Read the other parts of this post and you'll have a 80% of response to your arguments.

What argument? You did stupid things, I called you stupid.

You criticize my screenshots but didn't post a single screenshot.
You say I post bland and unimpressive screenshots but all those screenshots are valid screenshots, in-game screenshots.

Whats going to look better? A red car that's been washed, or a red car that's been left in a bog for a few years?
Your screenshots of MH Tri G were of things like expanses of still water, your shots of Portable were of high detail armor close ups. Here's a crazy idea, USE A CLOSE UP SHOT OF THE SAME ARMOR FOR BOTH GAMES.

Try showing some screenshots comparisons before criticizing the ones made by another.

Ok, then try developing your own video game before you start critiquing other games. Or your own movie, or book, or comic, art piece.

You call me stupid because I disagree with you,

Nope, I called you stupid because you did stupid things. If watchman had been saying something stupid I would have also said he was stupid, same with myself, if I say something stupid I expect Soulx to rush out of no where to point it out.

I call you stupid after that showing mistakes you've made,
then I have "God Complex" and "Take the things way too serious"

The fact your sitting here actually trying to convince someone who you will probably never meet in your life pretty much proves my point.

LOL

Even NSMB2 looks better then Mortal Combat.

No, and it's Mortal Kombat, genius.

Really? That doesn't scream "taking it too serious" to you?

I'm going to sit back and wait for you to reply saying how your actually laughing about it in real life now.

 

[VMM]

No, and it's Mortal Kombat, genius.

Really? That doesn't scream "taking it too serious" to you?

I'm going to sit back and wait for you to reply saying how your actually laughing about it in real life now.

If I'm taking this too seriously that's my problem, not yours.
I wasn't the one who started with personal offense.
You made a mistake and the most reasonable thing you should do is recognize
instead of changing the topic of the discussion.

What argument? You did stupid things, I called you stupid.


Nope, I called you stupid because you did stupid things. If watchman had been saying something stupid I would have also said he was stupid, same with myself, if I say something stupid I expect Soulx to rush out of no where to point it out.

You did nothing but call me stupid, I showed valid screenshots and valid comparisons.

The fact your sitting here actually trying to convince someone who you will probably never meet in your life pretty much proves my point.

Aren't you doing the same thing?!

@VMM

REALLY? Did you seriously start a argument about whether the 3DS is more powerful then the PSP and then compare the gap to the Vita, then post bland unimpressive screens and compare them to full detail close up shots in an arguement with Soulx.

You must be stupid.

I used valid screenshots, and showed arguments, instead of others stupid.
I never questioned if 3DS was more powerful than PSP.

You misunderstood the whole point of my posts.
From what you showed, you know nothing about what you're talking,
you're just on a blind effort to defend Nintendo and then satisfying your fanatism

Whats going to look better? A red car that's been washed, or a red car that's been left in a bog for a few years?
Your screenshots of MH Tri G were of things like expanses of still water, your shots of Portable were of high detail armor close ups. Here's a crazy idea, USE A CLOSE UP SHOT OF THE SAME ARMOR FOR BOTH GAMES.
Try showing some screenshots comparisons before criticizing the ones made by another.

We're not talking about cars, this was a poor and illogical comparison.
If I showed a screenshot of a highly detailed armor on PSP's MH, it proves that PSP is up to these graphics.
If you think this is a unfair comparison try showing two screenshots to prove your point,
my screenshots were valid, if you have nothing to show to prove I'm wrong then you should not criticize me.

Ok, then try developing your own video game before you start critiquing other games. Or your own movie, or book, or comic, art piece.

That's a huge fallacious argument.
This is the type of argument that 8 year-old kids use when they know they're wrong.
Grow up kid!

 

[Deleted_171835]

We're not talking about cars, this was a poor and illogical comparison.
If I showed a screenshot of a highly detailed armor on PSP's MH, it proves that PSP is up to these graphics.
If you think this is a unfair comparison try showing two screenshots to prove your point,
my screenshots were valid, if you have nothing to show to prove I'm wrong then you should not criticize me.

It doesn't prove nothing if the rest of the environment looks much shittier with the game having worse performance (framerate). One good looking model doesn't make the game look similar.

Are the comments by people that own the game, videos, the feature-set of the 3DS's GPU and screenshots not enough for you?

I'm beginning to doubt you have ever used a PSP or even played that Monster Hunter game.

 

[VMM]

It doesn't prove nothing if the rest of the environment looks much shittier with the game having worse performance (framerate). One good looking model doesn't make the game look similar.

Are the comments by people that own the game, videos, the feature-set of the 3DS's GPU and screenshots not enough for you?

I'm beginning to doubt you have ever used a PSP or even played that Monster Hunter game.

Similar isn't the same as equal.
3DS Monster Hunter has better graphics, and I'm sure we already had this conversation.
What I'm just saying the whole time is that this difference isn't a huge difference,
it's a poor gap from PSP to 3DS considering there were 7 years of difference between the release of them.

Considering that the gap between both isn't that big I say they are similar,
but this is just a opinion, or better saying, a concept.

That said, In this case, there is no wrong side.
If you think this gap between PSP and 3DS istoo big to say they are similar,
it's your opinion and you have all the right to think that way

 

[Deleted_171835]

It doesn't prove nothing if the rest of the environment looks much shittier with the game having worse performance (framerate). One good looking model doesn't make the game look similar.

Are the comments by people that own the game, videos, the feature-set of the 3DS's GPU and screenshots not enough for you?

I'm beginning to doubt you have ever used a PSP or even played that Monster Hunter game.

Similar isn't the same as equal.
3DS Monster Hunter has better graphics, and I'm sure we already had this conversation.
What I'm just saying the whole time is that this difference isn't a huge difference,
it's a poor gap from PSP to 3DS considering there were 7 years of difference between the release of them.

Considering that the gap between both isn't that big I say they are similar,
but this is just a opinion, or better saying, a concept.

That said, In this case, there is no wrong side.
If you think this gap between PSP and 3DS istoo big to say they are similar,
it's your opinion and you have all the right to think that way

Fuck man, play the damn games instead of arguing this. If you played either one of them, you would see the difference.


Various people in this thread and across the internet have already said so. You're just being stubborn ignoring all the facts presented to you.

 

[RodrigoDavy]

This discussion about gaps has been going since page 2. I was reading the beggining of the topic, there was talks about AA, graphics effects, system hardware... It was a fun topic, now it is a boring discussion...

 

[DiscostewSM]

3DS is between the GC and Wii in terms of power and capabilities, and the PSP can't even reach the PS2 in that regard. That is all.

 

[Rydian]

The problem with "power" is that CPU power is not the same as graphical capabilities. Even outside of the whole "lower resolution means less power can make better graphics" thing I keep echoing...

 

[Coto]

I think both CPU & GPU must support each other (well it's like this anyway). But I mean, GPU's next to be squeezed (because devs decided a game will look nice), be it AA, or shaders particles, those must know "how to keep it up" from CPU. I've noticed people like Namco/Nintendo tend to build a game engine under the most deplorable situation (poor machine), and take up the best of it.

PSP is great, but I feel like it lacked proper "assisted effects" through hardware, but some games look nice anyway. 3DS can do it, and there is clearly a difference of "console generations". Why wasn't 3DS more powerful? I don't know, why didn't Wii either? but you have some nice games there.

 

[chris888222]

I've played MH Portable 2nd (forgot the English name but whatever) on the PSP 3000. Controls aside (I actually got used to the claw), the picture lacked AA, there was some sort of "clouding" effect too with whitish lines around the characters and mountains - in combat and other areas. (or is it just my eyes?) The graphics were still OK, but it had these problems.

Even in Portable 3rd, the whitish lines were still there. But since I played P3rd only for a while on the PSP, I can't make a clear judgement about it.

Then I played Tri G. None of these problems arise in 2D. Maybe some clouds in the port area but I have no idea if the game was designed to have that. In 3D, the lack of AA was obvious but still no sort of 'clouding effect' and character lines that were apparent on the PSP version.

I think the whitish lines were due to a lack of shaders. I have no idea but that is my guess.

 

[The Milkman]

No, and it's Mortal Kombat, genius.

Really? That doesn't scream "taking it too serious" to you?

I'm going to sit back and wait for you to reply saying how your actually laughing about it in real life now.

If I'm taking this too seriously that's my problem, not yours.
I wasn't the one who started with personal offense.
You made a mistake and the most reasonable thing you should do is recognize
instead of changing the topic of the discussion.

I'm not, its assholes like you who ruin the fun of posting and being free with your words, when someone who's taking too serious comes to discussions like these your over sensitivity ruins the fun of the debate when you start taking it too damn personally.

What argument? You did stupid things, I called you stupid.


Nope, I called you stupid because you did stupid things. If watchman had been saying something stupid I would have also said he was stupid, same with myself, if I say something stupid I expect Soulx to rush out of no where to point it out.

You did nothing but call me stupid, I showed valid screenshots and valid comparisons.

You keep saying valid but at no point have you stated how they are valid.

The fact your sitting here actually trying to convince someone who you will probably never meet in your life pretty much proves my point.

Aren't you doing the same thing?!

To honest, I'm doing more for personal entertainment, I have nothing to prove to you or anyone else on the internet.

@VMM

REALLY? Did you seriously start a argument about whether the 3DS is more powerful then the PSP and then compare the gap to the Vita, then post bland unimpressive screens and compare them to full detail close up shots in an arguement with Soulx.

You must be stupid.

I used valid screenshots, and showed arguments, instead of others stupid.
I never questioned if 3DS was more powerful than PSP.

You misunderstood the whole point of my posts.
From what you showed, you know nothing about what you're talking,
you're just on a blind effort to defend Nintendo and then satisfying your fanatism

How the hell was I defending Nintendo? The 3DS is a goddamn 8th gen console, if its not a noticeable gap over the PSP then I doubt it would be selling. And even if I was, I could say that your just acting like a little Sony Fanboy.

Whats going to look better? A red car that's been washed, or a red car that's been left in a bog for a few years?
Your screenshots of MH Tri G were of things like expanses of still water, your shots of Portable were of high detail armor close ups. Here's a crazy idea, USE A CLOSE UP SHOT OF THE SAME ARMOR FOR BOTH GAMES.
Try showing some screenshots comparisons before criticizing the ones made by another.

We're not talking about cars, this was a poor and illogical comparison.

Your right there, I couldn't think of anything else though

If I showed a screenshot of a highly detailed armor on PSP's MH, it proves that PSP is up to these graphics.
If you think this is a unfair comparison try showing two screenshots to prove your point,
my screenshots were valid, if you have nothing to show to prove I'm wrong then you should not criticize me.

Like Soul said, ONE fucking model being detailed in a WHOLE game while everything else looks like shit doesn't mean the PSP could generate it all the time. Hell, if you played the Revlations demo the models have double the detail, and are smoother, and its not even using the 3DS's second core. So your own argument itself is invaild.

Ok, then try developing your own video game before you start critiquing other games. Or your own movie, or book, or comic, art piece.

That's a huge fallacious argument.
This is the type of argument that 8 year-old kids use when they know they're wrong.
Grow up kid!

So wait... I say I pretty much don't have to post something to be able to critique it... and I'm the 8 year old...

Not the guy who's getting butthurt over this whole conversation... yeah alright man...

I'm still waiting for that post about how your laughing in real life.

 

[JulietStMoon]

I'm still waiting for that post about how your laughing in real life.

Eh, let it go, dude. He's not gonna say it, now that he knows we're on to him.

Anyway, this isn't worth any of our time anymore. So I think we should back off.

 

[chris888222]

I heard from some places that the 3DS has a dual processor, and most places with dual core.

What's the main difference anyway?

 

[Gnargle]

Is this cretin still arguing that the 3DS isn't significantly more powerful than the PSP?
Wow.

 

[JulietStMoon]

I heard from some places that the 3DS has a dual processor, and most places with dual core.

What's the main difference anyway?

I think they're both just different terms for the same thing. I dont remember exactly what I've heard, but it's something like a dual core processor, with each core clockec at roughly 300 mhz or something like that.

 

[chris888222]

I heard from some places that the 3DS has a dual processor, and most places with dual core.

What's the main difference anyway?

I think they're both just different terms for the same thing. I dont remember exactly what I've heard, but it's something like a dual core processor, with each core clockec at roughly 300 mhz or something like that.

Many sources say its 268MHz dual core but can be overclocked.

Either way, the 3DS is definitely a powerful hardware. If not, it would not get these cross platform titles like Time Travelers. Although graphically inferior, it still has the power to drive.