Nvidia: PS4 specs are low end CPU and mid range GPU

[chyyran]

Notepad.

Notepad doesn't have autosaves and cloud access

Also, Notepad++.

I'm glad that this chit-chat is still going, it's quite amusing.

I see that people are still happily chanting away about the PC Master Race being superior and hell, for all intents and purposes, a PC is superior if you can afford a High End one. Most of the bread eaters have Mid End ones though and with the OS on-top of the hardware, their capabilities are greatly limited.

All consoles in the history of ever had comparable or better performance than strong PC's for the first year or two since their release despite weaker hardware simply because on a console you don't have to bother with a number of "PC Woes" such as programming for a wide range of builds etc. - you have one piece of hardware for which you can optimize your software - on a PC, you have to prepare the software to work on a variety of builds "wasting"resources "just in case".

Moreover, consoles have another benefit and that benefit is simpicity - you pop the game in and it "just works". There are no hardware upgrades entailed(unless you require perhaptials like a camera or whatnot, but you can just plug them in).

For all intents and purposes, you get more "bang" for the buck - when you get a console you have 100% certainty that the software you buy for it is going to work just dandy regardless of your setup. With PC, it's not always so obvious.

PC's are like amphibian vehicles - they do a wide range of things. Consoles are streamline - they're made for the sole purpose of entertainment. You're entirely entitled to using an expensive swiss spork for all your spooning and forking needs but if someone just wants to eat a cup noodle, a fork alone is sufficient and it's likely to be much more cost-effective than your swiss wonder.

Mid-Ends still have greater graphical fidelity and choices than consoles. At least, as a reference point, I consider my i5-2500K @ 3.3GHz , HD7770 @ 1GHz and 16GB RAM mid-end, But yeah, I agree with everything else you wrote. That, and PCs are good for people who want to learn about the intricacies of building, maintaining, troubleshooting, and sometimes programming for a PC as well. It may not be simple, but it's more of an educational experience than consoles.

 

[the_randomizer]

Notepad doesn't have autosaves and cloud access

Also, Notepad++.


Mid-Ends still have greater graphical fidelity and choices than consoles. At least, as a reference point, I consider my i5-2500K @ 3.3GHz , HD7770 @ 1GHz and 16GB RAM mid-end, But yeah, I agree with everything else you wrote. That, and PCs are good for people who want to learn about the intricacies of building, maintaining, troubleshooting, and sometimes programming for a PC as well. It may not be simple, but it's more of an educational experience than consoles.

Syncing/auto saves are for those who have non-crappy reliable internet connections; notepad + FTW

 

[chyyran]

Syncing/auto saves are for those who have non-crappy reliable internet connections; notepad + FTW

I find Google Docs wonderful for when I'm working on an essay. I can do some at home on my desktop, my laptop, anywhere at school, my phone in the car for those times where you desperately need to finish.

It's wonderful.

Even when coding, I make sure my IDE autosaves and I push to github often, so I can continue anywhere, and not loose any data.

 

[the_randomizer]

I find Google Docs wonderful for when I'm working on an essay. I can do some at home on my desktop, my laptop, anywhere at school, my phone in the car for those times where you desperately need to finish.

It's wonderful.

Even when coding, I make sure my IDE autosaves and I push to github often, so I can continue anywhere, and not loose any data.

It's wonderful if you have a good connection. My apartment complex's ISP and connection suck donkey balls; my docs never sync properly and I'm forced to use other means. At my university, it works great what with the 100 mbps connection and all.

 

[narutofan777]

Surely it is blindingly obvious that pc's will always have the advantage.. I thought everyone knew that?

Why is Nvida statin' the obvious?

 

[Foxi4]

Mid-Ends still have greater graphical fidelity and choices than consoles. At least, as a reference point, I consider my i5-2500K @ 3.3GHz , HD7770 @ 1GHz and 16GB RAM mid-end, But yeah, I agree with everything else you wrote.

Bet you $100 your Mid-End wouldn't run the software showcased on the presentation and that's my whole point.

 

[Bladexdsl]

Well I'm sticking to the console sub-race cause I actually really like the console exclusives.

exclusives huh you might get maybe a dozen games that are exclusives and the rest are multiplat with 95% of the time a PC version that's how it was last gen and it will be exactly the same this gen. the days of needing to own every console to play every game are over.

 

[Minox]

Ok, surely I can't be the only one not giving a fuck about whether a console or a PC is better?


I use a PC by choice. Not because it's superior in any kind of way, but because I personally do not have any interest in owning a new console. Both consoles and PCs have their merits, and in this case the merits of a PC just happened to suit me as a person better. That however does not in any kind of way invalidate a console's merits.

 

[Guild McCommunist]

exclusives huh you might get maybe a dozen games that are exclusives and the rest are multiplat with 95% of the time a PC version that's how it was last gen and it will be exactly the same this gen. the days of needing to own every console to play every game are over.

Minus the much more than a dozen console exclusives.

Also if I end up posting this like five thousand times then it's not my fault, the site's still a bit wonky.

 

[emigre]

exclusives huh you might get maybe a dozen games that are exclusives and the rest are multiplat with 95% of the time a PC version that's how it was last gen and it will be exactly the same this gen. the days of needing to own every console to play every game are over.

Half the games I own for my PS3 are console exclusives...

 

[LockeCole_101629]

people rant about anything
people fuss about over everything

this kind of thing why news is so excited.
it's not the news, it's people reaction.

few years from now (if this forum is still exist) all of you would be so embarrassed looking at your own post.

 

[Guild McCommunist]

Half the games I own for my PS3 are console exclusives...

Half of zero equals...?

 

[emigre]

Half of zero equals...?

Fuck off Guild McPCMASTERRACEISt!!!

 

[Gahars]

The way I see it, PC is the inherently better platform - but they're not always the best choice. It's the difference between a chainsaw and a hacksaw - sure, that chainsaw's always going to cut better, but it isn't always the appropriate tool to use.

Consoles have a low barrier of entry price wise (While a gaming PC may pay off in the long run, paying upfront can still be difficult), and they're easy to manage. A console owner doesn't have to worry about graphics card compatibility, upgrading, settings, etc. They can just slap their game into the game machine and have a grand old time. They're very convenient, and for a lot of people, that's enough.

So can we stop arguing this already?

 

[emigre]

So can we stop arguing this already?

No.

 

[DSGamer64]

Keep in mind that every PC games ever cost like $5 bucks, console games cost like $60. You pay more for the hardware with PCs but much less for the software.

PC games average from 5 dollars up to 60 depending on the game. Some games that are released on the PC later, like Resident Evil 6 and Crysis 2 Maximum Edition for instance, are sold at a lower price, both those games were 39.99 at release. At least when it comes to content, you see a lot of stuff that you won't find on consoles as well because of the openness that is the PC platform and services like Steam allowing people to easily get their new games on the market.

The thing I hate the most on gaming forum is all those kiddies that come upon the realization (one at the time) that gaming consoles are just easy to pick-up cheap piece of hardware that are meant to create an efficient gaming environment to get some gaming going and not the holy grail TeraFLOPs crunching machine they thought it was.

console are:
fun to play with
affordable
easy to get some gaming going
provides lot gaming experience we'll remember in the years to come.

but they're also a compromise between available tech and a price point which will give them a good market penetration, in order to generate profit.

I don't see how anyone can deem a console as affordable at a 700 dollar price point like the PS3 was here in Canada at launch. That was an absurd amount of money at the time and still is a lot. People can say "oh they are cheap" all they want now, but we are talking about systems that have been out for several years now, of course they are cheap NOW! If they were as expensive today as they were at release people wouldn't be buying the damn things.

 

[heartgold]

Bet you $100 your Mid-End wouldn't run the software showcased on the presentation and that's my whole point.

Eh seriously? What was so special that couldn't be done on today's PC? I saw nothing spectacular in the graphics field and res, framerate seems to not so godly outstanding. The killzone game was rendering at 1080P/30FPS.

 

[marcus134]

I don't see how anyone can deem a console as affordable at a 700 dollar price point like the PS3 was here in Canada at launch.

And that also prevented Sony from keeping up with Microsoft market penetration.

 

[chyyran]

Bet you $100 your Mid-End wouldn't run the software showcased on the presentation and that's my whole point.

There are a whole bunch of variables that would allow or not allow my Mid-End to run the software. Including what language it's coded in, how the effects are handled, how optimized the the game is, what resolution you intend to run it in, what framerate is considered acceptable, overclocking of my CPU/GPU/RAM, what OS I have installed on my PC, and more. It's likely that, my mid-end would be able to at least run some, perhaps not much though, of the software showcased at an acceptable framerate.

 

[Foxi4]

There are a whole bunch of variables that would allow or not allow my Mid-End to run the software. Including what language it's coded in, how the effects are handled, how optimized the the game is, what resolution you intend to run it in, what framerate is considered acceptable, overclocking of my CPU/GPU/RAM, what OS I have installed on my PC, and more. It's likely that, my mid-end would be able to at least run some, perhaps not much though, of the software showcased at an acceptable framerate.

By "run" I meant "run at a comparable performance" since that's the whole point. I can "game on Ultra" too except why would I do that at 2FPS?

 

[chyyran]

By "run" I meant "run at a comparable performance" since that's the whole point. I can "game on Ultra" too except why would I do that at 2FPS?

By "run at an acceptable framerate", I meant at about, or at a slightly lower than the same visual quality at around 24 to 30 fps. As well, something I haven't mentioned before, you have to consider the ever changing definition of "Mid-End", "High-End", and "Low-End" PCs.

In a few years when the PS4 (hopefully) picks up steam, Mid-Ends could have surpassed the PS4 in comparable performance anyways. That's the beauty of a PC, you can always upgrade yours, whereas in a console, you don't need to deal with upgrading your console. It all depends on what floats your boat, do you want to deal with the intricacies of maintaining a PC every so often for an advantage, or do you want to buy a nice, cheaper, "batteries included" device that will allow you to stay relevant for the next 5-7 years? Of course, the best choice is both, so you catch most, if not all exclusives, but that's beside the point.