Hacking Nintendo's Next Attempts?

[thesund0g]

Maybe they'll do what Sony did from the PSP to the PS3. That thing's resisted most everything thrown at it so far.

Yeah, if I recall, it's something to do with the hypervisor locking out the gpu acceleration, etc when running unsigned code. Good design.

 

[thesund0g]

Game Developing Studios could start using multiple .dol files, like the case of Call Of Duty 3...Not saying that this would solve all nintendo's problems, but it would shy people away from USB Loading...(but steer towards disc backups!) lol

I think that if there were more multi-dol games, there'd be more demand for a fix -- thus it wouldn't be a problem for long.

 

[cwstjdenobs]

Maybe they'll do what Sony did from the PSP to the PS3. That thing's resisted most everything thrown at it so far.

Yeah, if I recall, it's something to do with the hypervisor locking out the gpu acceleration, etc when running unsigned code. Good design.

I think the design was good, but it's more the fact hardly anyone owns a PS3, those who do tend to have modded 360's as well, there's only 3 decent games you can't play on the 360/PC, and blue-ray burners and media are still very expensive, so no-oners bothered putting a sustained, determined effort into it yet. Maybe now more people are getting them that will change.

 

[smf]

If they are adamant, they can find a way to hinder our fun. I would suspect that one of the things we would have to look forward to would be a behind the scenes "upgrade" that will limit the use of the USB ports. This can be done in software on a driver level. Probably create some sort of signing scheme to give USB port access. At least this is one of the things I would have done to protect my assets.

They did do this, but their house of cards tumbled with the twiizer attack. If they had encrypted the ram in Wii mode then there wouldn't have been a way in.
Because the keys are available to decrypt anything in an update, they can't add anything secret.
They fixed their mistake with the DSi and thats holding up well.

There are two things they could try to take control again:

1. encrypt the system menu with another scheme and make it seek out more things (unauthorised channels/IOS/boot2). While it would be possible to hack it, the time it would take would be much longer. They may be able to hide some checks in the code for the system menu being patched, which on a specific date could brick everybodies Wii or corrupt your wbfs partition/files.

2. change how IOS loading works so you can't run custom code on starlet at all. If they structured the update so it's all or nothing then that would make it very hard to get back in (i.e. a new boot2 and all new IOS's that verify signatures before they will execute a new IOS). They'd have to make sure they audited all their code, so that there was no chance of another exploit. We'd know exactly what they were doing but like the boot1 with trucha fixed, once updated there would be nothing we could do about it (at least through software).

If they did both at the same time and put out a good game that required it which couldn't be patched to run on the old firmware, then that would cause the most impact.

Starlet is effectively a hypervisor, just not a very good one. 360 & PS3 show the effectiveness of a decent one. They both have had less serious problems, but they patched them so long ago now that they may as well have never existed.

 

[jazvdb]

Well as we all know by now, Nintendo's brilliant 4.2 update was still no match for all those coders/hackers......

What do you think Nintendo will do next?
More updates?
Maybe even cutting off USB ports on newer Wiis!?

Added:
......The attempt on anti piracy-ing New Super Mario Bros.

Who knows...

 

[longtom1]

more encryption of the main.dol files and more IOS reloading more than likely

 

[jazvdb]

hmm i just wanna bump this topic for fun

 

[Knyaz Vladimir]

Completing IOS0 that will make sure that no unauthorized code will get passed, patch every IOS to see IOS0 and will read the code, all online-capable games will read the code of IOS0, every official channel will get an update when you read the channel to analyze IOS0, and IOS0 is encrypted to be the size of a Dual-Layer Disc, with an automatic patcher for every IOS that is improper. Oh, and every channel that does not read IOS0 will be deleted and the space will still be taken up. Let's see... oh, and IOS0 is entirely unhackable and Nintendo will start releasing something that makes the Wii run on a whole new system after version 5.0X, which will update all 256 IOSs (even the scrapped ones) and will remove BootMii, boot2, every channel on your SD card, all unofficial channels on your Wii, will make sure that the IOS versions are ones made by Nintendo and will cause your Wii to have glitched graphics, engine, audio, and controls until you send it to Nintendo if version 5.0X finds a problem. And it reupdates using IOS0 every 24 hours, even offline. IOS0 is epic that way.

Either that, or the Wii is going to be another failed piece of garbage, we're not getting Star Fox or F-Zero on it and Nintendo doesn't like it either. So, let us celebrate Nintendo Revolution Y20-10X!

I think like that. It's not perfect, but great. We just need it to be better and Nintendo will fail. Or we can do a code similar to that and Nintendo can't do anything about it since they don't have IOS0, that IOS of hackers! (That took me about 15 minutes to create and type up)

 

[Hells Guardian]

Maybe they'll do what Sony did from the PSP to the PS3. That thing's resisted most everything thrown at it so far.

Thats gotta be the most retarded statement I've seen so far........ First off the PS3 is easy to run homebrew on. They give you the ability from the fucking get go. You can install a secondary OS for fuck sake mate. Secondly there has already been instances of people able to install modified system files and run homebrew games on the systems. The only real hacking attempts that haven't been too successful is piracy. So what you have to pay for games OMG what the hell are you going to do? how about getting a damn job and buying the shit for yourselves. My god why is it that this forum is so over run by absolute idiots that all seem to think that hacking means stealing?

 

[Knyaz Vladimir]

Agreed. Only sometimes, not always. Hacking is not stealing. So freaking what!? They just want you to do what they want. We hack for that.

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