1. Cyber Akuma

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    I see, so then the issue with not getting my 6.1 keys before I update to 6.2 would be that I would not be able to downgrade to 6.1 (though since that would lock me out of any 6.2 or later games, that would still be it's own issue) and not be able to install any CFW at all until someone manages... if they manage... to find a TSEC exploit?

    From what I understand though with how the efuse thing works, the official firmware is coded to make sure a certain set of efuses are not blown, and if the number blown is larger than the number not blown it will refuse to boot, right? I always assumed it was something in the CPU itself doing the check somehow, so if it's purely in the software, would someone be able to remove that check somehow in a CFW? Or are we not able to decrypt and re-encrypt/compile that part of the firmware that has the efuse check?

    And if a TSEC exploit is found, does that mean there would have been any benefit to backing up my 6.1 keys if I had waited to hack my Switch until then?
     
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    Well keys have nothing to do with downgrading or upgrading, those are due to fuses. And currently, you can't run firmware 6.2 without burning fuses.

    The fuse check is done by the bootloader. And we cannot replace anything permanently in the bootloader because we don't have Nintendo's personal 2, 048 character signing key. Cracking that is virtually impossible and the only theoretical way of obtaining that is by raiding their HQ because with this key, we would have 100% control of the console.

    Again, a TSEC exploit and dumping your keys are two different matters. Access to the TSEC allows us to use the RCM exploit on firmware 6.2. Console keys are used for a wide variety of purposes but none of them relate to launching CFW.
     
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    Oh wow, it means all Switch with 6.2 are unhacked for good? SX products are died?
     
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    Well, nothing is impossible to crack because it was made by a human. The only issue is the scene has enough persistence and determination to hack it hence why Nintendo platforms tend to get cracked faster and by more people overall than say Microsoft or Playstation devices (there's also the metric of security which I'm ignoring in this example). The usage of the TSEC in firmware 6.2 just means the Nintendo Switch has to be hacked...again. Whether its a userland exploit which leads to the traditional cat-and-mouse game that can drag out forever or another stroke of luck similar to Fusee Gelee, this firmware is halting all progress on CFW until further notice. It could be accomplished tomorrow or next year, there's really no telling. A year ago, firmware 3.0 was considered the motherload, now its anything below 6.2. Just remember the lower the firmware, the better and you will never go wrong in the console hacking scene.
     
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    Interesting, do you know about Save Wizard's save resigner for PS4? Sony's encryption key to encrypt the saves have been cracked within less than week now, so it used to be 3 weeks to 1 month before. Is it same situation with Nintendo Switch?
     
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    I keep very light tabs on the PS4 scene. Basically my console was stuck on a firmware above 4.5.5 but then finally an update for 5.0.5 was dropped and I hacked my PS4. Now that Spyro is out, I just check constantly if there is news for me to play that without updating my PS4 or buying a second one but I think I'm going to have to go with the latter option.

    With that being said, I stand by what I said earlier. It could be hacked at anytime. The TSEC is a black box to the hacking scene. Since it is its own chip, it needs its own exploit because the RCM exploit does not give any access to the TSEC. There is no ETA on when we will crack TSEC and/or have support for firmware 6.2 but early signs aren't looking good.
     
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    We just have to patience with the switch. It took years before the 3ds was completely blown apart. And it'll take more time with the switch because of the security. But we'll find a hole in it (The TSEC will prob be a nightmare tho)

    Also for anyone who doesn't know what the TSEC is here:https://switchbrew.org/wiki/TSEC
     
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  8. medoli900

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    I would also like to know if the modification of the Joycon colors is something that Nintendo keeps in check. Obviously, we are talking about the internal data telling the Switch which color to shows for the connected Joycon.
     
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    Hey, a question:

    How risky is it *briefly* booting into OFW with the SD card you use for SX OS?

    I always take it out when using the sysNAND but sometimes I fail the RCM process and briefly boot into OFW. I guess that's enough time for the Nintendo telemetry to check if there are .xci files or a boot.dat file in the SD card:(
     
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    Nintendo doesn't need to nor do they scan the SD card for files. The reason being files on an SD card don't indicate whether or not a console is hacked. If an unhacked console uses the same SD card as a hacked console, then there is no evidence for Nintendo to ban the unhacked console because files on an SD card amount to nothing more than files on an SD card. If they were to ban that console, that would be a false ban which you could fight to get unbanned but because it would lead to a false ban, they would not ban it in the first place.

    Anyways, booting in OFW is safer than say booting in CFW but it will still transmit traces of CFW such as bogus error codes or whatever traces .XCI files leave on the system.
     
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    Hey! I’m on 6.1.0, never hacked anything on my launch day Switch. Could I theoretically: Turn on airplane mode, backup my 6.1 NAND just incase I need to restore it (would that count as a downgrade, burning fuses, etc?), update to 6.2 so I can legally play online and then never touch CFW again until ban-prevention methods are found? All of that without risking a ban, and losing my save data? I want to make a clean backup just don’t want to miss out on hacking possibilities if the community doesn’t find a new way to hack beyond 6.2, or whatever patch comes next. If I understand correctly, I don't need to use CFW or Homebrew to backup my NAND, so the Switch should remain "hack-free"? Thanks!
     
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    Got banned after accidentallly udating from 5.1 to 6.0 (official update ofc). My own botw game told me there was a software update for it and thought it was just for the game...I hit the update button and it turned out to be a firmware update :D. Never gonna fall for that again. Happened when 6.0 was the latest. Before that update i played nsp's, used homebrews and emulators, never played online and never updated anything "pirated" online. Guess there's something definately they check duting ofw updates, since only after that i got banned (not a cdn ban, just eshop access and online i guess, but i dont care for that). Hope it helps in some way to gather more info on bans.
     
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    I was wondering... If I get banned, will I be able to transfert my account to a new Switch ? I got some troubles with the 3DS in the past. :unsure:
     
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    Possibly but if you're going to be waiting on a "ban-prevention" method, you may be left waiting until the Switch's EOL. There is nothing better than dumping and restoring a clean NAND.
    A Nintendo Account can be shared across multiple consoles so you don't really "transfer" the account, you just set that console as a Secondary Device. If you want another console to be the Primary, which will allow it to play games owned by account offline, then you can do that on their website but are limited to doing it once a year.
     
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    In the light of games being released way earlier from the release date (like pokemon let's go or super smash bros ultimate)
    Shouldn't we add "played games before release date" as a ban trigger? Like in the 3ds people got insta banned for playing s/m us/um early
     
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    Not really. Playing the game early is in fact not a ban trigger otherwise every single video game reviewer would get flagged. What did trigger these bans is playing the games online early. I played both S/M and US/UM early but my 3DS isn't banned.
     
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    So playing ssbu offline in xci shouldn't make a big red Flag for the nintendo?
    You know, a big red Flag like when someone installs nsp
     
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    Unless Nintendo has a list of every video game reviewers Nintendo Accounts and Users, just because the initial play time started before the release data doesn't mean you'll get banned. I should also mention that stores also breaking street date which isn't necessarily a violation of the Terms of Service...I think.
     
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    Not sure if this was mentioned earlier in the thread but my banned switch that was getting errors when trying to updated the system legitimately when 6.1 came out just downloaded the 6.2 update just fine from Nintendo and is now prompting for an update.

    Edit: Wait nevermind I just thought of something, does Pokemon Lets Go have 6.2 on board?
     
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    That just means you're not CDN banned but soft banned. The only difference between a CDN ban and a normal ban is that CDN bans prevent system updates but it seems that Nintendo has converted all CDN bans back to normal bans.
     
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