New Abortion Law Wave

[supersonicwaffle]

The only countries that allow abortion after the general gestational age limit do so with strict limitations. You wont find any developed country that will allow a late stage termination without there being severe health risks to the mother or the child itself.

I wonder if Bernie knows he’s from a third world state

Statutory Definition of Legal Abortion

It is legal for an abortion to be performed in Vermont at any stage of pregnancy for any reason or for no reason.

https://statelaws.findlaw.com/vermont-law/vermont-abortion-laws.html

https://www.kff.org/womens-health-policy/state-indicator/gestational-limit-abortions/?currentTimeframe=0&sortModel={"colId":"Location","sort":"asc"}

Wikipedia also mentions Canada as a country with no restrictions.
I’d be happy to be wrong and won’t rule out that I’m missing something here, I’m just going by the sources that I can find through a quick google search.

 

[cracker]

How many women are actually getting those late term abortions without any good reason ( health of the mother and/or child )? I agree it is abhorrent at that stage 'just cuz'. Women with unwanted/harmful pregnancies will want to go in as soon as they can unless there is something mentally wrong with them or something health-wise about them or the fetus is discovered.

 

[supersonicwaffle]

How many women are actually getting those late term abortions without any good reason ( health of the mother and/or child )? I agree it is abhorrent at that stage 'just cuz'. Women with unwanted/harmful pregnancies will want to go in as soon as they can unless there is something mentally wrong with them or something health-wise about them or the fetus is discovered.

I couldn’t tell you but does it really matter?
As I’ve mentioned earlier, in my opinion this is a question about when a fetus should be awarded human rights and scale of an issue is simply irrelevant when it comes to human rights.

 

[Thardus]

"I want to have your abortion" - Marla Singer, Fight Club

I'm concerned with how sex and abortions are so nonchalantly accepted and I'm by no means prude or "backward". I read Fight Club a long time ago. The movie will be celebrating its 20 year anniversary this year. That line above was excluded from the movie because it was "too offensive". I guarantee you that if Fight Club was released in 2019, the line would not only be included, it would be highlighted as a symbol of women's rights and encouraged, even though the true feminine meaning of the movie would be lost on the majority.

I am 100% for the government getting out of the way of pretty much everything. Government makes everything worse. [Yes, I know, without government children would be working in coal mines with amputated limbs from workplace injury.] The government is a tool for those who seek power. Never give power to the government you're not willing to give to your worst enemies.

Where we stand now: Men pay the majority of taxes. Taxes fund abortions [Hey, the best way to get more of a behavior is to subsidize it]. Men definitely have a say on these grounds alone, not to mention in takes two to tango. Planned Parenthood sells baby body parts -- $$$$$. The Virginia governor recently endorsed "post-birth abortion". FFS, the fact that we're using language like "post-birth abortion" instead of calling it by its true name is disgusting and telling how far our society has morally drifted.

One solution: The government prohibits the selling of babies, but you should be able to. Many will gasp in horror at that statement while shrugging at the murder of a developed baby. 10-15% of couples experience infertility and I'd venture to guess that a similar percentage of women have had abortions. It's extremely difficult and costly for infertile couples to adopt. Until you've wanted kids you probably won't understand this, but being in a committed relationship, wanting children, and being unable to have them is heartbreaking. [No, the government shouldn't subsidize fertility clinics either.] A marketplace should be allowed to operate.

For all you involuntary celibates that have never had a pregnancy scare, let me share with you a bit of my past. "I missed my period" are some words you do NOT want to hear when you're 16 years old and your subconscious knows you're in a terrible relationship. I've heard that phrase a couple of times from a couple different ex-girlfriends. Thinking about it now still stresses me out. I was young. I was playing with fire. Luckily, I have never impregnated any of my ex-girlfriends (of which I'm aware). I'm glad I was never in a position to choose between an abortion or a child. I'm afraid my selfishness would have wanted to pay $300 for the procedure. $300 is an inexpensive way to crush your soul.

Anyway, I hope the lot of you will never have to choose as well.

Probably the wrong crowd for this because family obligations supersede video gaming: Eat healthy. Exercise. Find a good girl. Marry her. Impregnate her. Raise a family. Be a man. But then again, video games attractively sap male ambition. Good luck!

 

[cots]

For all you involuntary celibates that have never had a pregnancy scare, let me share with you a bit of my past. "I missed my period" are some words you do NOT want to hear when you're 16 years old and your subconscious knows you're in a terrible relationship. I've heard that phrase a couple of times from a couple different ex-girlfriends. Thinking about it now still stresses me out. I was young. I was playing with fire. Luckily, I have never impregnated any of my ex-girlfriends (of which I'm aware). I'm glad I was never in a position to choose between an abortion or a child. I'm afraid my selfishness would have wanted to pay $300 for the procedure. $300 is an inexpensive way to crush your soul.

People realize to see that the father, you know, who is 1/2 responsible for the creation of the child should also have a choice in the matter and if you're going to use the Government to control other people and use my money to abort babies with then I do have a part in the process and my opinion should also be considered. You can't say "We're going to take your money and use it to pay for other people commit murder" and then tell me I have no decision in the matter.

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You attempted to shock people to make a point, but there was no point to be made here. That wasn't a picture of the aftermath of an abortion. It was a fully formed baby. If it was indeed aborted, it was done illegally as abortions in that stage of development is illegal. It was just gore, and this tactic of exploiting a gruesome dead baby to scar people for the sake of argument is absolutely disgusting. You should be ashamed of yourself.

It was before they ground the baby up into bits using a baby grinding machine. I suggest you Google "abortion" and read about the process if you don't believe me. I sourced the image from a simple 1 word normal censored image search and it's not anything you won't find images of in later biology courses. I don't see how it would "shock" anyone - I mean, if this is what they are supporting then why should it "shock" them?

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I couldn’t tell you but does it really matter?
As I’ve mentioned earlier, in my opinion this is a question about when a fetus should be awarded human rights and scale of an issue is simply irrelevant when it comes to human rights.

It seems trees, which have no heart beat or logical thought process that ever develops (not to mention no sort of brain or self awareness) should be saved and are more important than human life. I swear, these people with their modern day religion (science) are just as bad if not worse than previous generations with their funky religions (when it comes to murdering innocent people). Science has resulted in more deaths over any other natural force in modern times. "In the name of science" screams the crazy Liberal "Let's kill babies!". I just hope whatever comes up next and replaces science will have less senseless death as a result.

 

[Deleted User]

That's like saying there is a radical new method for separating an embryo back into a sperm and egg. It is a fanciful what-if until it is a reality.

You forgot to bold your RADICAL.

Anyway, you have a point, but it's the best analog I could think of.

I would like to reiterate that despite that, I still believe that abortion should be legal. This is a cultural problem, and you can't fix those by just yelling and outlawing it. We need proper prevention and proper sex ed, among others.

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People realize to see that the father, you know, who is 1/2 responsible for the creation of the child should also have a choice in the matter and if you're going to use the Government to control other people and use my money to abort babies with then I do have a part in the process and my opinion should also be considered. You can't say "We're going to take your money and use it to pay for other people commit murder" and then tell me I have no decision in the matter.

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It was before they ground the baby up into bits using a baby grinding machine. I suggest you Google "abortion" and read about the process if you don't believe me. I sourced the image from a simple 1 word normal censored image search and it's not anything you won't find images of in later biology courses. I don't see how it would "shock" anyone - I mean, if this is what they are supporting then why should it "shock" them?

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It seems trees, which have no heart beat or logical thought process that ever develops (not to mention no sort of brain or self awareness) should be saved and are more important than human life. I swear, these people with their modern day religion (science) are just as bad if not worse than previous generations with their funky religions (when it comes to murdering innocent people). Science has resulted in more deaths over any other natural force in modern times. "In the name of science" screams the crazy Liberal "Let's kill babies!". I just hope whatever comes up next and replaces science will have less senseless death as a result.

Hey, man. Listen, I get where you're coming from. But acting morally superior and saying stuff like 'says the crazy liberal' isn't going to bring anyone to your cause.

 

[cots]

Hey, man. Listen, I get where you're coming from. But acting morally superior and saying stuff like 'says the crazy liberal' isn't going to bring anyone to your cause.

I don't believe my morals should be imposed on anyone else. If you want to go around killing people, by all means, kill them. Just don't use my money to do so and then tell me I have no say in the manner and don't ask me to agree with you.

Should have I been more attentive to the Liberal mindset and said something like "The poor confused minority who needs me to tell them what to think, do and say because they can't figure it out by themselves"? ROFL. I'm not here to make friends with these lunatics.

I didn't know I had a "cause", unless, that includes pointing out Liberal hypocrisy, then, yes, I do have a cause.

 

[Superbronx]

I watched my 15 month old Daughter die in front of me back in 2015. She had a heart condition HLHS. it hurt really bad to she her go. To see people just destroy the gift of having a child hurts.


You can cry Yay for abortion all you want..... My answer is Nay is you made the choice to have Sex... Just what can come with it.

anyway done with Arguing with pro child killers... take care buddy. last post on this topic.

I'm not a liberal and I'm definitely not pro choice but I do understand where they are coming from and the message they are attempting to convey. I think I can speak for all of them who have added their eloquent comments to this discussion by stating simply yet effectively :

 

[Thardus]

I watched my 15 month old Daughter die in front of me back in 2015. She had a heart condition HLHS. it hurt really bad to she her go. To see people just destroy the gift of having a child hurts.


You can cry Yay for abortion all you want..... My answer is Nay is you made the choice to have Sex... Just what can come with it.

anyway done with Arguing with pro child killers... take care buddy. last post on this topic.

As a father, I have deep sympathy for you and your family. Thank you for sharing that video. I'm sure you guys provided Karlee with a tremendous amount of love, and I'm sure she provided you with joy even if for a short while. Take care.

 

[Xzi]

I'm not a liberal and I'm definitely not pro choice but I do understand where they are coming from and the message they are attempting to convey. I think I can speak for all of them who have added their eloquent comments to this discussion by stating simply yet effectively :

"It's not unconstitutional, women don't actually have rights." - Trump supporters

"No no, life is sacred UNTIL the baby is old enough to die in a pointless Middle East war, Arabs aren't actually people." - Also Trump supporters

See how being reductionist gets us nowhere?

 

[Undwiz]

As a father, I have deep sympathy for you and your family. Thank you for sharing that video. I'm sure you guys provided Karlee with a tremendous amount of love, and I'm sure she provided you with joy even if for a short while. Take care.

Thank You.

 

[Deleted User]

"It's not unconstitutional, women don't actually have rights." - Trump supporters

"No no, life is sacred UNTIL the baby is old enough to die in a pointless Middle East war, Arabs aren't actually people." - Also Trump supporters

See how being reductionist gets us nowhere?

I really hate this argument. Generalising and making assumptions also gets us nowhere.

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I'm not a liberal and I'm definitely not pro choice but I do understand where they are coming from and the message they are attempting to convey. I think I can speak for all of them who have added their eloquent comments to this discussion by stating simply yet effectively :

Y'know, this is so freaking provocative it's ridiculous, but it does raise interesting questions.

At the time, the idea that Jews weren't people was rooted in actual science. Really, really twisted science that sounds incredibly dumb knowing what we know now, but that's the point. I wonder if some genetic breakthrough way outside our imagination will further thin the lines between 'human' and 'embryo'.

Food for thought.

 

[Xzi]

I really hate this argument. Generalising and making assumptions also gets us nowhere.

Yeah, that was kinda my point. You know you're leaning too hard on the hyperbole when you start comparing the opposition to the Third Reich simply for having a different opinion.

 

[Deleted User]

Yeah, that was kinda my point. You know you're leaning too hard on the hyperbole when you start comparing the opposition to the Third Reich simply for having a different opinion.

Sorry, my mistake. Politics can be blinding sometimes.

 

[Undwiz]

Sorry, my mistake. Politics can be blinding sometimes.

More morals then politics to me..

 

[Xzi]

More morals then politics to me..

Either way we're essentially divided across the same lines, as I find it morally repugnant to force a woman to birth a rape or incest baby. Same deal with forcing women to birth children that they don't have the means to care for.

Of course, these are personal morals, and I feel like the pro-life crowd too often hides behind religious morals. When in fact, neither version of the Christian bible states that abortion is a sin, and the old testament actually has a 'how-to' guide for performing abortions.

 

[Undwiz]

Either way we're essentially divided across the same lines, as I find it morally repugnant to force a woman to birth a rape or incest baby. Same deal with forcing women to birth children that they don't have the means to care for.

Of course, these are personal morals, and I feel like the pro-life crowd too often hides behind religious morals. When in fact, neither version of the Christian bible states that abortion is a sin, and the old testament actually has a 'how-to' guide for performing abortions.

My first post on this , I said I believe in a women being able to abort if raped should be legal.

 

[Xzi]

My first post on this , I said I believe in a women being able to abort if raped should be legal.

The exceptions can't end there, though. Otherwise you've still got desperate women who will be willing to perform self-abortions, go to back-alley doctors, etc. In that sense it's also an issue of public health and safety. Infant mortality rate is already pretty bad in many of the states where abortion is being banned, but it can always get worse.

 

[LowEndC]

meh....

let HER decide what she wants to do with her life/body.

religion/law/morals are all man made... let your brain marinate with that for a second...

keep that in mind when a soul born on this earth wants to make it's own decision,

nobody should tell her what to do...


(let me put this in perspective for you bleeding heart liberals out there..... would you (males) be ok with a group of people (maybe all females....who knows...it doesn't matter....) passing a law saying all men need to be castrated??? for the betterment/advancement of society ??
because all men are rapist/pigs/patriarchal/racists??
you all would agree wouldnt you? lel...
blindly following the blind...
people who think they "woke" but really aren't...

(dems/repubs.... there are no sides. no good or bad,
they are both a branch off of the main branch...
"evil"

(people who know, understand what im talking about..)



abortions are actually the least of our worries in this reality we slave about in...

this whole abortion thing and the Russian collusion/mueller/a.g. barr, and the border wall etc is just a distraction and this monologue has been going on for ages.

no one cares. and there is evil going on somewhere...



but get your internet points anyways by posting this i guess....

 

[FAST6191]

I'm not a liberal and I'm definitely not pro choice but I do understand where they are coming from and the message they are attempting to convey. I think I can speak for all of them who have added their eloquent comments to this discussion by stating simply yet effectively :

I we are posting images with unrelated content and a dubious basis in logic now