Muslim Brotherhood: ‘Prepare Egyptians for war with Israel'

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This just shows that I was right. Egypt is not ready for a democracy, to many religious people and fanatics! On the other hand Tunisia, for example, has a very enlightened, good educated and western orientated middle class.
Tunisia wins, Egypt lose.
I will cancel my holidays to Egypt if this muslim brotherhood gets into parliament.
 

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ManFranceGermany said:
This just shows that I was right. Egypt is not ready for a democracy, to many religious people and fanatics! On the other hand Tunisia, for example, has a very enlightened, good educated and western orientated middle class.
Tunisia wins, Egypt lose.
I will cancel my holidays to Egypt if this muslim brotherhood gets into parliament.
I went to Egypt several times and have family that live there and there aren't that many extremists and fanatics. And just how does having religious people make a country unable to have a democracy?
 

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pyrmon24 said:
ManFranceGermany said:
This just shows that I was right. Egypt is not ready for a democracy, to many religious people and fanatics! On the other hand Tunisia, for example, has a very enlightened, good educated and western orientated middle class.
Tunisia wins, Egypt lose.
I will cancel my holidays to Egypt if this muslim brotherhood gets into parliament.
I went to Egypt several times and have family that live there and there aren't that many extremists and fanatics. And just how does having religious people make a country unable to have a democracy?
That kind of scares me...
 

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pyrmon24 said:
I went to Egypt several times and have family that live there and there aren't that many extremists and fanatics. And just how does having religious people make a country unable to have a democracy?

It doesn't, unless the religious people in charge install a theocracy of course.

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QUOTE(pyrmon24 @ Feb 2 2011, 07:08 PM) I went to Egypt several times and have family that live there and there aren't that many extremists and fanatics. And just how does having religious people make a country unable to have a democracy?
That kind of scares me...

The fact that there aren't many extremists and lunatics in Egypt scares you?
 

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TrolleyDave said:
pyrmon24 said:
I went to Egypt several times and have family that live there and there aren't that many extremists and fanatics. And just how does having religious people make a country unable to have a democracy?

It doesn't, unless the religious people in charge install a theocracy of course.

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QUOTE(pyrmon24 @ Feb 2 2011, 07:08 PM) I went to Egypt several times and have family that live there and there aren't that many extremists and fanatics. And just how does having religious people make a country unable to have a democracy?
That kind of scares me...

The fact that there aren't many extremists and lunatics in Egypt scares you?
No its the way he said it lol.
 

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Israel is very powerful they beat countless army's in the past the beat 6 different army and if i remember correction the 50s to 60s Egypt declare war on them again and Israel almost march to there capital to take them over they ere stop by the usa and other nations.
 

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The leader of the Muslim Brotherhood isn't particularly popular amongst the Cairo protesters either. The main problem is that if democracy is brought to Egypt, any party voted into power won't be running on a platform of maintaining the Egypt side of the Gaza blockade, which is why the West, for all its lauding of democracy, hasn't been very keen on removing the dictatorship in Egypt.
 

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Both sides just want to destroy the world.

F*** them both. They've both brought nothing but suffering to the world.

There is no holy land.


Not true. This world is full of suffer.. include America full of criminal and things like that. Not only them. Stop being a racist, man!
 

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Jakob95 said:
TrolleyDave said:
pyrmon24 said:
I went to Egypt several times and have family that live there and there aren't that many extremists and fanatics. And just how does having religious people make a country unable to have a democracy?

It doesn't, unless the religious people in charge install a theocracy of course.

Jakob95 said:
QUOTE(pyrmon24 @ Feb 2 2011, 07:08 PM) I went to Egypt several times and have family that live there and there aren't that many extremists and fanatics. And just how does having religious people make a country unable to have a democracy?
That kind of scares me...

The fact that there aren't many extremists and lunatics in Egypt scares you?
No its the way he said it lol.
What about it?
 

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pyrmon24 said:
ManFranceGermany said:
This just shows that I was right. Egypt is not ready for a democracy, to many religious people and fanatics! On the other hand Tunisia, for example, has a very enlightened, good educated and western orientated middle class.
Tunisia wins, Egypt lose.
I will cancel my holidays to Egypt if this muslim brotherhood gets into parliament.
I went to Egypt several times and have family that live there and there aren't that many extremists and fanatics. And just how does having religious people make a country unable to have a democracy?

Iran?Saudi-Arabia? Yemen? Do you call this Democracies or Countries where Tourist love to go, hu?
Even the own People don't call it democracies (as u see in the many protests in Iran for example) and Tourism is almost nonexistent.
Laicistic Democracies are not only the most stable, but also the most fair Goverments. Religion has nothing to search in Politics.
I went 2 times to Egypt and I can tell u that their are a lot more religious people than in Tunisia(laicistic), Turkey (laicistic but not arabic, I know) and even Algeria and lets not talk about the middle class which is completely different.
If this guys (for example muslim brotherhood) rule the country, begin to make war with Israel, adopt sharia law or just talk like our friends from hamas, Hisbollah or the Iranian Government, Tourists will not come anymore, Europe and USA will not help with billion of Dollars and the Country will get even more poor and unstable.
 

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ManFranceGermany said:
pyrmon24 said:
ManFranceGermany said:
This just shows that I was right. Egypt is not ready for a democracy, to many religious people and fanatics! On the other hand Tunisia, for example, has a very enlightened, good educated and western orientated middle class.
Tunisia wins, Egypt lose.
I will cancel my holidays to Egypt if this muslim brotherhood gets into parliament.
I went to Egypt several times and have family that live there and there aren't that many extremists and fanatics. And just how does having religious people make a country unable to have a democracy?

Iran?Saudi-Arabia? Yemen? Do you call this Democracies or Countries where Tourist love to go, hu?
Even the own People don't call it democracies (as u see in the many protests in Iran for example) and Tourism is almost nonexistent.
Laicistic Democracies are not only the most stable, but also the most fair Goverments. Religion has nothing to search in Politics.
I went 2 times to Egypt and I can tell u that their are a lot more religious people than in Tunisia(laicistic), Turkey (laicistic but not arabic, I know) and even Algeria and lets not talk about the middle class which is completely different.
If this guys (for example muslim brotherhood) rule the country, begin to make war with Israel, adopt sharia law or just talk like our friends from hamas, Hisbollah or the Iranian Government, Tourists will not come anymore, Europe and USA will not help with billion of Dollars and the Country will get even more poor and unstable.
OK, but you are talking about when religion occupies a place in the government. The way you said it, it sounded like having religious people in a country made the country unable to have a democracy.
As for Egypt, yes the people there are mostly religious, but how does that affect their government? They have had a dictator for nearly 30 years, that's where the problems come from. If they had had a real democracy from then, they would have a middle class. And the Egyptians don't want the Muslim Brotherhood in power, they want freedom. I should know as I am Egyptian.
 

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Lol i love the irony in here.
You people are arguing amongst each other for the smallest of reasons, one of them being that the Egyptians and Muslims can't settle a quite large dispute.
If you people can't even agree with each other, how do you expect them to?
And their issues are on a much bigger scale.
 

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Lol i love the irony in here.
You people are arguing amongst each other for the smallest of reasons, one of them being that the Egyptians and Muslims can't settle a quite large dispute.
If you people can't even agree with each other, how do you expect them to?
And their issues are on a much bigger scale.
I don't see how us arguing for the sake of arguing means the Egyptians can't take care of themselves. And most Egyptians agree with each other that Mubarak has to go.
 

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ManFranceGermany said:
pyrmon24 said:
Iran?Saudi-Arabia? Yemen? Do you call this Democracies or Countries where Tourist love to go, hu?
Even the own People don't call it democracies (as u see in the many protests in Iran for example) and Tourism is almost nonexistent.
Laicistic Democracies are not only the most stable, but also the most fair Goverments. Religion has nothing to search in Politics.
I went 2 times to Egypt and I can tell u that their are a lot more religious people than in Tunisia(laicistic), Turkey (laicistic but not arabic, I know) and even Algeria and lets not talk about the middle class which is completely different.
If this guys (for example muslim brotherhood) rule the country, begin to make war with Israel, adopt sharia law or just talk like our friends from hamas, Hisbollah or the Iranian Government, Tourists will not come anymore, Europe and USA will not help with billion of Dollars and the Country will get even more poor and unstable.
OK, but you are talking about when religion occupies a place in the government. The way you said it, it sounded like having religious people in a country made the country unable to have a democracy.
As for Egypt, yes the people there are mostly religious, but how does that affect their government? They have had a dictator for nearly 30 years, that's where the problems come from. If they had had a real democracy from then, they would have a middle class. And the Egyptians don't want the Muslim Brotherhood in power, they want freedom. I should know as I am Egyptian.

I don't say that Mubarak is a good guy, he is corrupt and doesn't give people the freedom they want, BUT you talk like the Muslim Brotherhood will not be a strong party and their ideology is peaceful, but we both know that they will win every election with over 40-50% and that they would love to destroy Israel. Aside from that el baradei isn't a strong leader as he was never in a political position and didn't live in Egypt since many years.
We will see if he (or someone from his party) can calm the Muslim Brotherhood down and work with moderate people from this party.
I doubt that, but I wish for sure that I am wrong...we will see what will happen in the next 6 Month.
 

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Journalists get f*cked by pro- and anti-mubarak mobs
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CAIRO — Foreign journalists were beaten with sticks and fists by pro-government mobs on the streets Cairo on Thursday and dozens were reported detained by security forces in what the U.S. called a concerted attempt to intimidate the press.

Foreign photographers reported a string of attacks by Mubarak supporters near Tahrir Square, the scene of vicious battles between supporters of President Hosni Mubarak and protesters demanding he step down after nearly 30 years in power. The Egyptian government has accused media outlets of being sympathetic to protesters who want Mubarak to quit now rather than complete his term.

The Greek daily newspaper Kathimerini said its correspondent in Cairo was hospitalized with a stab wound to the leg after being attacked by pro-Mubarak demonstrators in central Tahrir Square. He has been released. A Greek newspaper photographer was also beaten.

"There is a concerted campaign to intimidate international journalists in Cairo and interfere with their reporting. We condemn such actions," U.S. State Department spokesman P.J. Crowley said.

The leaders of France, Germany, Britain, Italy and Spain said in a joint statement that the "attacks against journalists are completely unacceptable."

Washington Post Foreign Editor Douglas Jehl said on the paper's website that multiple witnesses had reported that Cairo bureau chief Leila Fadel and photographer Linda Davidson were among two dozen journalists arrested by the Egyptian Interior Ministry.

"We understand that they are safe but in custody and we have made urgent protests to Egyptian authorities in Cairo and Washington," he said.

The New York Times said two reporters working for the paper were released on Thursday after being detained overnight in Cairo.

The injured Greek journalist, Petros Papaconstantinou, said on Kathimerini's website that: "I was spotted by Mubarak supporters. They ... beat me with batons on the head and stabbed me lightly in the leg. Some soldiers intervened, but Mubarak's supporters took everything I had on me in front of the soldiers."

A Greek freelance photographer was punched in the face by a group of men who stopped him on the street near Tahrir Square and smashed some of his equipment.

Associated Press spokesman Paul Colford said that "AP journalists in Egypt have faced the same harassment and intimidation as other news organizations."

One Associated Press location was disrupted by men wielding sticks, and satellite equipment was taken.

"The situation was quickly defused," Colford said. "No one was injured."

Eight foreign journalists were seen being detained by the military near the prime minister's office, not far from Tahrir Square.

Turkey's state broadcaster TRT, said its Egypt correspondent, Metin Turan, was beaten by a group of around 15 pro-Mubarak demonstrators with batons and lost a tooth in the attack. His camera, money and cell phone were stolen.

Three other Turkish journalists were also stopped and roughed up near Tahrir square, TRT said.

Polish state television TVP said that two of its crews were detained in Cairo.

One of the teams, consisting of two cameramen, has been since released but one camera was smashed during a search of their car, TVP Info acting head Piotr Krysiak said.

All their documents and mobile phones were seized during the brief detention near the Tahrir square, but they have been returned, Krysiak said.

Krysiak could not say whether the other team, reporter Piotr Gorecki and two assistants, has been released. He had no details of the circumstances of their detention.

The Arabic-language satellite channel Al-Arabiya pleaded on an urgent news scroll for the army to protect its offices and journalists.

Government spokesman Magdy Rady said Wednesday that the assertion of state involvement in street clashes and attacks on reporters was a "fiction," and that the government welcomed objective coverage.

"It would help our purpose to have it as transparent as possible. We need your help," Rady said in an interview with The Associated Press. However, he said some media were not impartial and were "taking sides against Egypt."

The Qatar-based pan-Arab broadcaster Al-Jazeera said on a news scroll that two of its correspondents had been attacked by "thugs." It didn't say when the attack took place, or how badly they were hurt.

Egyptian authorities had shut Al-Jazeera's office on Sunday, complaining its round-the-clock coverage was slanted toward protesters and could encourage more unrest.

CNN's Anderson Cooper said he, a producer and camera operator were set upon by people who began punching them and trying to break their camera in central Cairo on Wednesday. Another CNN reporter, Hala Gorani, said she was shoved against a fence when demonstrators rode in on horses and camels, and feared she was going to get trampled.

"This is incredibly fast-moving," Cooper said. "I've been in mobs before and I've been in riots, but I've never had it turn so quickly."

In Wednesday's fighting, security forces did not intervene as thousands of people hurled stones and firebombs at each other for hours in and around the capital's Tahrir Square.

There were reported assaults that day on journalists for CBS, the BBC, Danish TV2 News, Swiss television and Belgium's Le Soir newspaper, among other organizations. Two Associated Press correspondents were also roughed up.

A reporter for Turkey's Fox TV, his Egyptian cameraman and their driver were abducted by men with knives while filming protests Wednesday, but Egyptian police later rescued them, said Anatolia, a Turkish news agency.

Reporter Jean-Francois Lepine of Canada's CBC all-French RDI network said that he and a cameraman were surrounded by a mob that began hitting them, until they were rescued by the Egyptian army.

"Without them, we probably would have been beaten to death," he said.

A correspondent and a cameraman working for Russia's Zvezda television channel were detained by men in plainclothes and held overnight Tuesday, Anastasiya Popova of Vesti state television and radio said on air from Cairo.

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I would also like to add German TV Stations N-TV, ZDF and the magazine Spiegel.
I was not thinking that even pro-mubarak guys would beat our journalists.
 

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But there's a peace agreement, it has no point of it's so easy to take off.. We gave lots of land for that. (I'm for Israel). Another war would be bad..
 

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There really is no Holy Land, it's not a promised land, it's been a warfield and bloodbath area for millennia (even someone with limited knowledge of history will realize this), millions have died violently there over the past 5000 years.
 

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