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What meme? Terrorists aren't killing just for the sake of killing. That would make them braindead psychopaths. When they kill they have a goal in mind, sending messages to the public as an act of their extreme religious beliefs. Look it up.
I'm not saying that they do not want to send messages to the public (nice moving the goalposts, by the way, first it was "terrorists want to spread hatred" now it's "terrorists want to send messages").

Their religious text tells them to kill people, they have an almost 1,500 year history of barbarically killing people for their faith, their cultures on-the-whole celebrate or condone violence, their prophet and most exalted figure was a barbaric warmonger, and the pious strive to emulate him. Why should it be surprising that this set of ideas then leads to faithful Muslims savagely killing people all over the world?

I'm not even denying that moderate, liberal, secular Islam can exist, I'm just saying that to prevent people from being killed and to keep people safe we need to be honest about what the problems and issues actually are. This Trudeau-esque "if you hate/kill the terrorists they win" mentality needs to end and fast.
 
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You mean Saudi Arabia where women are forbidden to go around without dressing like a ghost? Or Qatar allowing people to get stoned to death because that's what Sharia law says? Do I even have to say anything about Brunei?


Hey.. I agree, that's despicable. But I did already bring up Pakistan and Israel which have.. similar laws.

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I don't hate Muslim people, I hate their religion.

I don't hate any religion. It should just never leave the house/place of worship. *no I don't consider wearing a hijab or the hat the Jewish wear to be a problem with that.. No more than a baseball cap* I would be happy if all Sky Daddies went bye bye because all it is, is an excuse to say "It's not my fault" or to not even thank the people who actually deserve it.

And lets be honest, religion in the early days where more about a way to keep the un-educated masses from killing themselves with the lack of knoweldge. Ever wonder why Pork was such a bad thing back then? People didn't understand eating it uncooked/under-cooked was bad... so easy thing to do was say "Hey.. God says not to do this!"

And though I have no evidence to it. MOST likely the reason the woman started wearing hijabs in the area that Islam flourished was the harsh sandstorms and were trying to keep the sand from scratching their faces and it mutated from there.
 
I don't hate any religion. It should just never leave the house/place of worship. *no I don't consider wearing a hijab or the hat the Jewish wear to be a problem with that.. No more than a baseball cap* I would be happy if all Sky Daddies went bye bye because all it is, is an excuse to say "It's not my fault" or to not even thank the people who actually deserve it.

What makes you think people won't just replace the 'sky daddies' with something else?
 
Actually you can attack Islam alone while recognizing that other religions in the west still maintain beliefs that some consider 'regressive', yet are almost entirely benign,

What percentage of the global Christian population do you think would consider apostasy a reasonable grounds for execution?

I have no issue with religion, but it's not *bigoted* to recognize that one is incredibly ill.

Virtually no-one is giving any religion a free pass except for those who deny the role of Islam in regard to terror. You are the one trying to deflect criticism of religion. Your attempts of a false equivalency between Islam and other religions is laughable, considering the reality of uniformly Islamic terror we face. I'll attack Christianity as much as I attack Islam when Christianity deserves it. At the moment, or even throughout history, this is simply not the case.
Once again, I do not deny that only one of them is used to kill people right now. So of course, if one religion has to be hated, I'll completely agree with you that it should be that one.
Except that from my point of view all religions are the same. They like to fill knowledge holes with suppositions and give orders to people for no valid reasons. And this is always bad. Once again, yes, only one of them really has bad consequences from that right now, but who tells you there won't be a current of Christianity that evolves into bullshit once we get rid of islamists? No one tells you that. So instead of getting rid of the problem (islamists), why not get rid of the cause (religion as a whole)?
 
Can we just admit that both religions are equally bad and decisive?
Ok BUT now the problem is islam ! We are in 2017. Only muslisms have political over their religion who command djihad to install a World califat.... because we, misbeliever, whites, non-muslim.... are wrong in our minds and way of life compare to the purity of the cooran and life of his prophet (kidding !)
 
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why is islam still a thing nowdays?
all muslims need to convert to christianity if they're to be allowed in western societies
Don't you fucking dare to presume that your favourite cult is the least grotesque of all of them. Christianity has been more of a blight on society than Islam. The attacks by Islamic extremists are depressingly frequent, but so is the mass brainwashing, denial of facts, persecution of large numbers of people and general hate spewed by Christianity. If it weren't for Christianity we wouldn't still be hacking off babies' foreskins, trying to cure homosexuals, and threatening people with eternal torture for daring to act on their natural human impulses (i.e. sexual, lifestyle, and freedom of thought). We would also be advancing much faster as a society as we would stop wasting our time trying to convince children that fairy tales are real when they could be learning about the real world.

All religions are utterly despicable. The only way this fucking shithole of a planet will ever get any better is if everyone wakes the fuck up and realises that they're following the insane ramblings of ancient desert-folk as though they are the word of some 'god'.

No religion is better or worse than any other. They're all shit. It's just that some are more cowardly than others so don't act on what their 'holy' books actually tell them to do.
 
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people will begin to take this matter into their own hands... 400 people injured in a stampede at the champions league final due to a firecracker going off . people are scared. We gotta defend ourselves from these extremists.
 
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When will genocide against Muslims begin?

I'm waiting with my armored truck and anti Radical shotgun.
 
I'm not saying that they do not want to send messages to the public (nice moving the goalposts, by the way, first it was "terrorists want to spread hatred" now it's "terrorists want to send messages").

Their religious text tells them to kill people, they have an almost 1,500 year history of barbarically killing people for their faith, their cultures on-the-whole celebrate or condone violence, their prophet and most exalted figure was a barbaric warmonger, and the pious strive to emulate him. Why should it be surprising that this set of ideas then leads to faithful Muslims savagely killing people all over the world?

I'm not even denying that moderate, liberal, secular Islam can exist, I'm just saying that to prevent people from being killed and to keep people safe we need to be honest about what the problems and issues actually are. This Trudeau-esque "if you hate/kill the terrorists they win" mentality needs to end and fast.

You see, you are the perfect example of someone who actually has a very valid point of view and really interesting, but mixes a few things which can causes a bit of agitation in this kind of discussion. The problem is that people misuse terms like "muslim", "terrorist", "arab" etc... To begin, I think that our three monotheist religions are basically the same (myth of Abraham), they just don't recognize the same prophets. But the thing is, even if they're not on the same wavelength about who is the principal prophet, they still recognize the others religion's prophets (Example : Jesus is a very important prophet in Islam, and he has exactly the same functions as his christian equivalent). The three religions has the same structure, pretty much the same belifs and all.

So why do we see a lot of muslim terrorists these days, and less christian or jew ? And why now ? That's where I join you, to me it's more of a socio-cultural problem. This kind of things don't happen in every muslim countries, mainly muslim arab countries. Why that ? Most arab countries have faced wars, revolutions, oppression these last years, which make them really easy targets for terrorist organization. So situation of the country is an important factor in appearance of terrorism. I'm from Senegal, a country mostly muslim, with a minority of christians, but that kind of shit never happened in Senegal. I even have a church in fornt of my house, and my mother used to go to church during holidays. Wearing a veil is not mandatory either. So culturally speaking, we are very different from arab countries, because we have a different culture and a different history. For example, we don't use burqa. It's not even in the Quaran. The only thing about that in the Quaran is something about hair, knees and elbows that has to be covered. But even in the Bible you can find this passage about women, that's why nuns are dressed the way they are. (echoing with wha I was saying earier : it's the same)

IMHO there is a problem with Islam, but the problem is not that Islam is too violent or anything, the problem is that real muslims need to gather and show people that they're not terrorists. Yes, there are violent things in Islam, just like in Christianity or Judaism. But this has nothing to do with terrorism. Quaran does not say "just go kill some random people", because that's what terrorism is, people randomly killing in the name of their god.

Religion is supposed to be a way of life, not a way of death, and terrorists are now using the false pretext of honoring the name of their god by slauthering people when in their sacred text it's written that killing one person is like killing the whole humanity. Terrorists just use religion as a vector because it's easier. You can find whatever you want in the sacred books, so if you're smart enough, you can brainwash weak minded people and use them.
 
Also have to remind people that the countries this -is- coming out of, are poor, and mostly in-hospital living places.

Now I'm not making that as an excuse, but imagine the mob mentality that starts at sports games, then imagine it literally being a whole town -because- there is no outside communication or constant travel because of the climate, and you've got even more isolation and self-radicalization.

The real thing we need to look for *at least currently* is why all these home grown terrorists are becoming self radicalized. -THAT- will help us more than any gun can. You cannot fight an idea with bullets.
 
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Also have to remind people that the countries this -is- coming out of, are poor, and mostly in-hospital living places.

Now I'm not making that as an excuse, but imagine the mob mentality that starts at sports games, then imagine it literally being a whole town -because- there is no outside communication or constant travel because of the climate, and you've got even more isolation and self-radicalization.

The real thing we need to look for *at least currently* is why all these home grown terrorists are becoming self radicalized. -THAT- will help us more than any gun can. You cannot fight an idea with bullets.

Completly right. Now we are just fighting the symptoms instead of the cause.
 
Completly right. Now we are just fighting the symptoms instead of the cause.

We have a problem of doing that.. At least here in America with everyone going on about the Opiod issue. Now.. Don't get me wrong, Opiods are bad, a serious problem, but no one seems to want to look at the cause of the problem, and isntead try to slap bandaid after bandaid on it.

Got news for folks. Doesn't matter how many times you bandage a wound... it won't heal if you don't take the wolverine off the leg first. :P
 
So why do we see a lot of muslim terrorists these days, and less christian or jew ? And why now ? That's where I join you, to me it's more of a socio-cultural problem. This kind of things don't happen in every muslim countries, mainly muslim arab countries. Why that ? Most arab countries have faced wars, revolutions, oppression these last years, which make them really easy targets for terrorist organization. So situation of the country is an important factor in appearance of terrorism.
This is a very good point you are making and I'm glad someone who thinks Islam isn't the problem did that. You reminded me of Uganda, with the majority of people being Christian, and it's also the worst place to be an LGBT member, with people in the parliament wanting to outlaw it as much as possible and the newspapers doing witch hunts to catch the gay people who "don't want to change" or the people who do "curative rape".

But I don't agree with those countries having a delicate issue to be the problem. In case of Uganda, the overwhelming majority of the word condemned the place and even the Pope mentioned how crazy it is. Everyone agrees that everyone has human rights and the very minority of people who agreed with Uganda has been flooded with backlash. Why can't it be the same with Islam? The qu'ran has a lot of verses about killing people. Mohammed married a little girl. The sharia law condemns people who leave the faith with death. These, together with many other issues, are "culturally diverse" and "not a big of deal" for people. Millions of Muslims want the sharia law to be part of their country's law. They also sympathize with terrorists and are against LGBT people. Yet, if you dare to mention these incompatibilities with the western societies, you are a bigot. There is a big elephant in the room nobody is willing to address, and THIS is how you eventually make people who want all muslims to be dead. I'm not part of those people, I just want the world to address the problem and to act accordingly, instead of reporting people on Twitter for "hate speech" or defending the muslim community.
 
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This is a very good point you are making and I'm glad someone who thinks Islam isn't the problem did that. You reminded me of Uganda, with the majority of people being Christian, and it's also the worst place to be an LGBT member, with people in the parliament wanting to outlaw it as much as possible and the newspapers doing witch hunts to catch the gay people who "don't want to change" or the people who do "curative rape".

But I don't agree with those countries having a delicate issue to be the problem. In case of Uganda, the overwhelming majority of the word condemned the place and even the Pope mentioned how crazy it is. Everyone agrees that everyone has human rights and the very minority of people who agreed with Uganda has been flooded with backlash. Why can't it be the same with Islam? The qu'ran has a lot of verses about killing people. Mohammed married a little girl. The sharia law condemns people who leave the faith with death. These, together with many other issues, are "culturally diverse" and "not a big of deal" for people. Millions of Muslims want the sharia law to be part of their country's law. They also sympathize with terrorists and are against LGBT people. Yet, if you dare to mention these incompatibilities with the western societies, you are a bigot. There is a big elephant in the room nobody is willing to address, and THIS is how you eventually make people who want all muslims to be dead. I'm not part of those people, I just want the world to address the problem and to act accordingly, instead of reporting people on Twitter for "hate speech" or defending the muslim community.


And yet the bible says pretty much the same thing. And here in the US, many many people are trying to put those laws into effect. Two consenting adults can't do what they want in their own bedroom because the Christians don't like it. Kids can't get adopted because the Christians don't like it. People can't get important medicine because Christians don't like it. People are getting beaten in their own church for being gay. So yeah.. Christians here in the US are litteraly doing the same damn thing you just said.
 
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