@notimp gave you an example of entire scientific disciplines where successful peer review hinges on political ideology. I don’t know how it can become clearer than accepting a feminist adaptation of „Mein Kampf“

Lots of what you said is true, the kicker is it’s just as true if you replace right with left.

 

There is no truly objective truth. (Says perceptional psychology. )

So whenever you read an argument, and maybe make it your own, you always take a part of its sociology with you (the social field around it) that is also why in part political views tend to change over a lifetime.

So getting in contact with certain fields or scenes, is not yet brainwashing. Not even getting situated in certain social scenes (Bill Clinton finding a girlfriend that kind of made his political career, Hillary Rodham meeting a certain professor that formed her political view, and understanding of the world, ... Just using the most triggering examples possible for the right, could have used the most triggering for the left (Chicago School, .. ) instead, doesnt matter), and taking over their collective opinions, is actually fine. Its pretty normal and expected. If through all of this (life ) you dont loose your critical/analytical approach to getting to know issues, all the better. But in casual social conversations with your friends, you probably wont keep up your critical analytical stance all the time. Still expected and normal.

Whats not normal, is - if all of a sudden you are shouting "look her up", storming a pizzeria with a gun, or are talking about the Clinton foundation world conspiracy sponsoring all your foes, because they are devil worshippers.

Maybe you see the slight difference here.

Absorption, and assimilation into cultural thought is normal. Also - we only talked about liberal ideals here, not republican vs. democratic, left vs. right. There is a liberal right as well you know?

Thats why I mentioned, that later in life political orientation might shift as well, because people get in contact with other ideals, and will get more stability focused, and so on and so forth..

Universities are hopefully most of the time promoting for students to think for themselves. And if they are not (because you are studying law, f.e. ), they are not. But as a result of it, a more liberal mindset - kind of comes with that. But people take it on very willingly. Just tell somone, that the world is open to them, they are the best of the best, they can do whatever they set their mind to - and if they believe it, you'll get a liberal person out of that.

And thats kind of the thinking, that we want at universities. Mostly.


Now. Lets talk about right wing national conservative ideals.

Those get born out of - "defending what you have".

In europe we've an OECD study floating around currently, that shows, that in the past 20 years, lower and middle income classes have lost effective wage income (percentages), but they are subjectively happier than before. Thats real brainwashing.

(Or whats needed to save the earth. One or the other.. )

The reason suggested by the study, btw is that we gage our place in the world by comparing our standing with the relative standing of others around. And since the immigration crisis brought us a new set of people that are perceived as 'even lower class' by rightwing nationalists (right wing politics tell them that they are) - they are happy as can be, getting cheated out of their money.

Which is kind of why those rightwing movements are financed by billionaires (as well... More so than democratic movements, usually. Because that approach, just works so well.. ).

In the end, people in general are kind of dumb, and get convinced by words, what can I say. Democracies can work without having to resort to "old style" propaganda, because PR and marketing work just as well with a "softer" kind of influence approach.

Just be aware, of when you are chanting two syllable word slogans in masses again. Because chances are, that you are brainwashed at that point. If its not a concert of >your favourite band< of course..

 

Correct me if I‘m wrong but I would assume climate change denial of conservatives is pretty much a US thing. I can’t really remember that position having had any traction in Europe or Germany (Germany has for the most part always been overwhelmingly conservative).

I‘ve also been fortunate enough to have attended debates regarding GMO food between scientists and Green Party politicians to have witnessed left wing denial of science first hand.

The studies you admit the left has a strangehold on will deny the effect of genetics in many aspects for their „everything is a social construct“ shtick to have any resemblance of cohesion.

I‘m not arguing that either side is better or worse but painting things as black and white as you are is just telling half the story. There’s plenty of science denial to go around on both sides.

 

I think the higher your education, the less likely you are to be a conservative. This might explain why Colleges and the likes are mostly liberals.

 

This whole thread is useless if the terms are not defined. What constitutes "conservative" and "liberal"? Fiscally? Socially? Both in conjunction?

 

Well for starters, Conservatives and progressives (Liberals) have different views about individuals and communities.

Conservatives ask: “What can I do for myself, my family, my community, and my fellow citizens?”

Progressives ask: “What is unfair?” “What am I owed?” “What has offended me today?” “What must my country do for me?”

The traditional American ethic of achievement gives way to the progressive ethic of aggrievement.

As opposed to a variety of individuals making up one American community, progressives seek to place individuals in a variety of competing communities. The first creates unity. The second, identity politics.

 

No 2.: Conservatives and progressives have different views about diversity and choice.

For progressives, different ethnicities and gender identities are welcomed but a variety of opinions and ideas are not.

Just look at two areas of public life dominated by the left. On college campuses free speech is under attack. If you’re a conservative working at a social media company or using one of their platforms to share your views, you may find your job eliminated or your account deleted.

And when it comes to choice, progressives love the word, but they don’t want it to apply to our decisions on education, health care, and even how and where we live out our religious faith.

Conservatives take a different approach.

Parents, not the zip code they live in, should choose the school that is best for their child.

We all need health care, but we don’t all need the same kind or same amount. And while people should be free to live as they choose, no one should be forced to endorse or celebrate those choices if it violates their religious beliefs.

Conservatives say people should have choices. Progressives say one political solution fits all.

 

Progressives are not that complicated. They don't tolerate intolerance, and they don't tolerate sexual contact without consent. I don't know why modern conservatives are so triggered by the very idea of common decency.

Gee whiz, since this wasn't happening before, do you think it's maybe worth considering that mainstream conservative viewpoints have become more bigoted and extremist over time?

Nah, it's the children who are wrong. /s

Conservatives are literally making a nationwide push against a woman's right to choose right now, this is such a load of bullshit rofl.

Completely ignoring what liberals believe in for a moment, conservatives elected a man who fully embodies every last one of the seven deadly sins. Conservatives ceded the moral high ground, liberals didn't have to take it by force.

 

@Xzi

Obamination What about Bin Laden oh we cast him off to sea so we did not offend Musilims!

Yeah such a great guy F*** USA my Eastern Brethren Comes First OH YES WE CAN!!!

Candace Owens would make a fine President , What do you mean she wont , what is that she is a Right Winger , That Does not matter she is Black and she is a Woman and she has Moral Values and generally seems to care for her Country and people.

Who is the Racist , Sexist Now!!! You like to spin these petty narratives to suit your agenda.

 

Make America Great Again does not have racist connotations.Trump is not a racist as he has Jewish grandchildren and allowed his daughter to marry a Jew.Jews are the number one enemy of people with racist/nazi ideologies.The problem with spreading rhetoric,is that lies get perpetuated by the liberal media and ignorant people spread them.