Hacking Let's get this shit straight.

[Rayder]

All I can say is that when it comes to flashcarts, I didn't skimp just to save a few bucks. I'm already saving thousands on my car insur.....er....I mean games.

I just upgraded my R4 and SCminiSD for a CycloDS and an M3 Perfect. Even if I never use RTS or slo-mo, I have the ability if I ever want to check it out. As for the M3.....no more lame slowdown in GBA games! WOOT!

Price didn't matter. Functionality is what mattered, and those two cards are among the BEST on the market for what they do. Why settle for anything less? We're already cheating game companies out of cash by slurping up the games off the net for free, why cheat yourself out of full functionality just to save a couple bucks?

While I mostly agree with golden, I really don't care what anyone else buys for a flashcart. It's not my problem if your purchase lives up to your expectations or not. Go buy Joey-Jim-Bob's $2 flashcart if you want, I don't care. I have what works, not what's cheap.

 

[alex]

Wow.... o.o
Acekards on board memory is 8 GBITS not GIGABYTE... that's only 1 GB. So no, it's not cheaper.
And condoms are free... go to the doctor's office?

Thanks LuOmeoga!! That's my point.......GB isn't the same as Gb......

Acekard RPG is the most expensive slot 1 cart, so learn a little about stuff you're mentioning lostsoul5673..

QUOTEMan, some people can really be annoying, I'd rather hear some noob go:

izz seez therrz an isoooozzz looaddarr!11

Than listen to this crap. We get it, you want to mess with our mind to do the stupid thing and pay $55 dollars to buy something you can get for $28 and a better build.

And you missed the point of this topic completely!!
The OP isn't "messing with your mind at all", he's annoyed by people bitchin' how $60 for a flashcart is too much money.....And I completely understand him!

If you (I'm talking generally now) don't want to spend money, OK, but don't make topic about which cart to buy, and when you get a suggestion to buy a Cyclo, AK RPG or M34 Real, don't complain how it's pricey, how it's too expensive and shit like that..
Just buy yourself N5 and shut up then!

Okay.. Yeah, I don't think I noticed the 8G"b" damn. XD
I have bought myself a Supercard, because there are some good features, and it has less cons than the CycloDS. But still, if I had the money I'd buy it. It's just that I wanted the damn thing before Nintendo sues their asses.

 

[golden]

And golden, would it hurt you to use some f**king paragraphs in your posts? They're free ya know.

I'm truly sorry that my grammatical skills aren't good enough for you, sir. In fact, I did specifically use paragraphs for everything. The intro, another small paragraph for "the question" and yet a third paragraph for the actual "body" and reasoning. The only thing I didn't do is indent because I didn't really care for this to look so formal but I am sorry that angers you because my post wasn't perfect enough.

Now my post relevant to this topic:

In my case, yes my parents do have money, but do I see it? I think not. Recently it was my birthday and I got a little money. I don't usually get money and I have no job so I have to budget my money correctly to get what I want and I had to plan what I was going to get to get the best out of what money I had. And yes money is less important that quality but it still counts. Right now you sound like a snotty rich person. I mean money is of importance when you're thinking of what you're buying. Why do you think Wal Mart is the richest business in the world? Because they sell things at a cheap price. And most people who do get flashcarts are kids. How are they supposed to get cash? I mean when you buy you're NDS you usually only get a game or two to start out with because they don't have enough money to buy everything they want. Yes, it is better in the long run but right now people might not have the extra 20 or 30 bucks to get it.

Thank you for proving my point without me even needing to try. 2 games equal $70. There you go. That's enough money for even the most expensive of carts, the AKRPG. There, now you see, even those so called "poor kids" can afford anything. Don't lie to yourself. We all know that paying $50-$60 to play any games ever created for the DS is a steal. My point still stands, don't bitch about price. If you want a card, get it. Price isn't that important when you look at what it's doing for you.

 

[golden]

Perhaps you have a lot of cash to burn, maybe a good job and absolutely no other expenses, but where I'm from, even if I can afford to spend $50, I have to consider all my options because $50 isn't something to throw around.

Once again, I've spent hundreds, even thousands on modchips, flash carts, etc. Having been through all that, I think that paying extra money is worth it, that carts like the CycloDS Evolution should be what everyone buys, BUT I also understand that when you don't have the money, you don't have the money.

I don't have a lot of cash to burn but I don't take what flash carts do for granted. I do have other expenses.

I also understand when you don't have the money you don't have it and I acknowledged the exceptions to my post but are most people that really post here that borderline poor to broke? Highly doubt it.

 

[Toni Plutonij]

You got point there PharaohVizier, but the thing is...golden has it too!!

Too many people whine about CycloDS, it's price, and then go out and buy R4 or some other cart, just because Cyclo is too expencive..
While I do appreciate money, I earn mine very hard, I think if you ask for something, and get your answer from numerous people, you decide to go against it for $20 - $30, it's your fault if you get screwed, don't come whining back!!

I'm all about saving, but just in places where it's worth saving.....sometimes it's just worth paying extra for something you're gonna use a lot!!

 

[golden]

You got point there PharaohVizier, but the thing is...golden has it too!!

Too many people whine about CycloDS, it's price, and then go out and buy R4 or some other cart, just because Cyclo is too expencive..
While I do appreciate money, I earn mine very hard, I think if you ask for something, and get your answer from numerous people, you decide to go against it for $20 - $30, it's your fault if you get screwed, don't come whining back!!

I'm all about saving, but just in places where it's worth saving.....sometimes it's just worth paying extra for something you're gonna use a lot!!

Exactly. Right on the point. And sometimes they don't come back whining but just end up buying the cyclo anyways after their original "budget" cart doesn't make them happy anymore after they realize just how much more they can do with just a little more cash and a cyclo.

 

[Searinox]

I've not read whatever was commented after, because there is too many pages of text waiting to molest my eyes. But I read the initial post and here's my two cents.

When the first personal computer came out for public use I'm sure it cost a fortune. Over time they became more and more accessible and have dropped from luxury to the state of mainstream and even necessity for some. The R4 called itself "revolution". This is exactly what it did, it revolutionized the industry with a product that could do more for FAR less money.

As I mentioned computers, I could mention cars also, and virtually every product that is beneficial(and flashcarts certainly ARE) follow this pattern. By market demands, everything must, overtime, become cheaper and more accessible to the public. People want flashcarts to become cheaper, and they're entitled to get angry when they see one flashcart cost more than another. Tell me just ONE INVENTION/PRODUCT that has not once been a luxury to the few richest people of the world and is now being the subject of endless haggling and complaints about being too expensive compared to others. A standard has been set, and as the market will continue to push standards on EVERYTHING ever higher, the consumers will want the products to live up to them. As far as that concerns anything, your argument is as irrelevant as telling someone who complains about the lack of color sharpness on a TV that they should consider themselves lucky that they're color in the first place, or even that they have the ability to watch remote events at all. This was indeed a valid argument decades ago, and no longer is now because the market has evolved.

This flashcart market set a standard, its lower limit is BUYING THE ACTUAL GAMES from the store, somewhere not far up from that is SDHC capability, a little higher up is but still at the base is cheatcode support, and on the upper limit is realtime saves, ingame brightness and whatever you can name from the Cyclo. THIS IS HOW people evaluate flashcarts. They DO NOT go all the way back to thank God that flashcarts even exist. No in today's world flashcarts MUST exist. And whenever you hear Nintendo taking down flashcart factories or suing them and you get angry, it is THIS RIGHT that you are feeling is being taken away from you. Nintendo is DEVOLVING the market, lowering the standards back to carrying a hundred carts for a hundred games and spending countless money, making you feel almost primitive.

This is because flashcarts are one of THOSE products which benefit the user offerring higher standards at the expense of hurting the industry that allowed them to exist in the first place. HOW MUCH is lost, and where and how bad it is actually hurting Nintendo, is completly questionable. But the fact remains that a parallel market has been created, and its benefits have become a STANDARD for the consumer. Where this paradox will all lead, it is all up to your own guesses, but as a flashcart owner DO NOT TELL ME that if you one day wake up to find your memory corrupt with all your savegames gone, you won't feel regret for all your lost effort because you'll be thinking you wouldn't be owning that game in the first place. You're hooked to this new industry and its mechanics. Just like every one of us.

 

[ShiningSaber]

^^^Very true.
Just in the PC market, 8 months ago, the 8800 was the best card for $400, eveybody was saying if you get it you'd be the best for a long time. Now 2 series of cards are above it (not to mention the new ATi beasts), and its only $130.
Do people still buy the 8800? Yes, because some people don't need all the power of the new cards, and since it only costs $130 instead of $400 like the new cards, its a very good deal.
Yeah, I myself, don't think pirating hurts the industry much. Why? Most people who pirate wouldn't buy the games anyways, like myself getting games like Gex : Enter the Gecko (Why? Because you can't find it in stores, anywhere

), but also, some kids aren't able to afford all of these DS games, so once again, they wouldn't buy them anyways. Some of us even use ROMs to evaluate games, after we're done playing them, if we like them, we buy them (happened to me with quite a few games...)
@OP - See, pirating doesn't always hurt the industry. Some games that I pirated then bought later I never would of bought without knowing they were good (because of horrible reviews)

 

[Raestloz]

golden's argument is a bit off-track.

As you can see, people aren't arguing over ROm compatibility, they're arguing over the flashcart's features.

Some say the features are worth it, some doesn't

example:

there's this guy who told me that CycloDS is worth every penny for its features. I won't argue it, the problem is he pointed out useless features

1) Can play in slo-mo.
-For god's sake, people whine about lags, and you wanna play in low-speed? Although it's pretty useful in rare occassions

2)Can play in Black&White mode (he thought, he said it himself: i think)
-Look, inventors founded Color TVs, so why do you wanna play in B&W?

That is what we should argue about. Is the price worth it? Higher price with more features (although some might not be useful), or cheaper, but less features?

And remember, people always like cheap things, providedthe quality is at least "medium: lowest level"

 

[golden]

I've not read whatever was commented after, because there is too many pages of text waiting to molest my eyes. But I read the initial post and here's my two cents.

When the first personal computer came out for public use I'm sure it cost a fortune. Over time they became more and more accessible and have dropped from luxury to the state of mainstream and even necessity for some. The R4 called itself "revolution". This is exactly what it did, it revolutionized the industry with a product that could do more for FAR less money.

As I mentioned computers, I could mention cars also, and virtually every product that is beneficial(and flashcarts certainly ARE) follow this pattern. By market demands, everything must, overtime, become cheaper and more accessible to the public. People want flashcarts to become cheaper, and they're entitled to get angry when they see one flashcart cost more than another. Tell me just ONE INVENTION/PRODUCT that has not once been a luxury to the few richest people of the world and is now being the subject of endless haggling and complaints about being too expensive compared to others. A standard has been set, and as the market will continue to push standards on EVERYTHING ever higher, the consumers will want the products to live up to them. As far as that concerns anything, your argument is as irrelevant as telling someone who complains about the lack of color sharpness on a TV that they should consider themselves lucky that they're color in the first place, or even that they have the ability to watch remote events at all. This was indeed a valid argument decades ago, and no longer is now because the market has evolved.

This flashcart market set a standard, its lower limit is BUYING THE ACTUAL GAMES from the store, somewhere not far up from that is SDHC capability, a little higher up is but still at the base is cheatcode support, and on the upper limit is realtime saves, ingame brightness and whatever you can name from the Cyclo. THIS IS HOW people evaluate flashcarts. They DO NOT go all the way back to thank God that flashcarts even exist. No in today's world flashcarts MUST exist. And whenever you hear Nintendo taking down flashcart factories or suing them and you get angry, it is THIS RIGHT that you are feeling is being taken away from you. Nintendo is DEVOLVING the market, lowering the standards back to carrying a hundred carts for a hundred games and spending countless money, making you feel almost primitive.

This is because flashcarts are one of THOSE products which benefit the user offerring higher standards at the expense of hurting the industry that allowed them to exist in the first place. HOW MUCH is lost, and where and how bad it is actually hurting Nintendo, is completly questionable. But the fact remains that a parallel market has been created, and its benefits have become a STANDARD for the consumer. Where this paradox will all lead, it is all up to your own guesses, but as a flashcart owner DO NOT TELL ME that if you one day wake up to find your memory corrupt with all your savegames gone, you won't feel regret for all your lost effort because you'll be thinking you wouldn't be owning that game in the first place. You're hooked to this new industry and its mechanics. Just like every one of us.

Nice idea but cars and computers weren't invented for the sole reason of saving you money like flashcarts were.

 

[Searinox]

Saving money, walking less on the street, letting a computer do hours worth of calculus for you in one second, all just shades of the same color: comodity.

 

[golden]

Saving money, walking less on the street, letting a computer do hours worth of calculus for you in one second, all just shades of the same color: comodity.

However, we both agree that money in thousands or hundreds >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> walking/math

 

[Searinox]

Some inventions have a bigger impact than others.

 

[golden]

Some inventions have a bigger impact than others.

Very true. I would say computers have the bigger impact by far than flash carts but for the purpose of my discussion about price I would say flash carts are in a slightly different category than computers. You can't compare the mere $30 increase from "budget" carts to cyclo than you can to $1000+ for the best computer.